I had relatives in Westchester and living close to Budd, but I don't know of any direct connection. Perhaps a cousin to his wife...will have to check. But I'm missing the names of my ggg and gggg grandmothers in that line, so, it's too soon to say on the connection to Budd. I understand he was a colorful person, an independent thinker. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: HBalc27124@aol.com Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] famous/infamous relatives Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 21:28:10 EDT Speaking of Westchester, I have John Budd in my line. He founded Rye NY. Anyone else have him? Terri ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

I started writing down information back when I was a child....and would ask my grandma to tell me about the family....but put my shoulder to the wheel in the late 1960s; I've never looked for any famous persons, just didn't think they would be there, I suppose....or maybe I just wanted to be sure of my data, so it never seemed to lead me in that direction.... doris ----- Original Message ----- From: <AletaM@aol.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] famous/infamous relatives In a message dated 6/1/02 8:53:53 AM Mountain Daylight Time, halltown_tn1951@yahoo.com writes: > Have been doing genealogy research almost 7 yrs. Have observed one thing, > everbody tries to connect to someone famous. > > Am I the exception to this, my kin were just hard-working "average" people. > I have been doing genealogy, off and on, for well over 40 years, I was 8 when I filled out my own pedigree chart. I have never looked for anyone famous, I thought they all were, many are LDS Pioneers of 1847 and two were members of the Mormon Battalion. It wasn't until 1992 that I ran into the Royals and was able to verify, sketchily, that I have Mayflower Ancestors. I was at the Ogden Family History Center gedcomming one line and ran into the Royals. I started laughing and haven't stopped. This was entirely unexpected. Aleta, IBSSG, Charter Member Bo-Peep Award Ogden, Utah, USA "God sent his Singers upon the Earth, With songs of Gladness and Mirth. That they might touch the hearts of men, And bring them to Heaven again." --Longfellow ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Unsubscribe from the list: Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 5/7/2002

I have him, too, Terri. I think many on the list descend from Budd. It's his wife, Katherine Browne, who's the maybe royal descendant. I've never seen proof of that, or strong evidence. Sharon IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: <HBalc27124@aol.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] famous/infamous relatives > Speaking of Westchester, I have John Budd in my line. He founded Rye NY. > Anyone else have him? > Terri > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:Blacksheep-Chat-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

James Dagley, II had two brothers, Benjamin Franklin Dagley and John Jacob Dagley. Both were in the War of 1812. Three sons of John Jacob Dagley came to Texas and were part of the early history of Texas (my home). One daughter, Elizabeth Dagley, married late and married Jonathan Boone, older brother of Daniel. It was her first marriage and his third. They never had children, although Jonathan had children by his first two marriages. One of his sons, Joseph Boone, married a daughter of Thomas. Old Daniel Boone left his home in Kentucky in his late 80's and walked to Ray county, Missouri to visit his brother, Jonathan, for the last time. Elizabeth didn't know he was coming and spotted someone with a feather in his hat down at the well getting a drink and drew a bead on him with her long rifle. Just as she was about to pull the trigger, the stranger waved his hat and identified himself as Daniel Boone. (Source: IBSSG Member Larry Dagley in his book on the Dagley family) Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com) ~~ Coordinator, C h u r c h i l l Nevada U S G e n W e b Site Co-Coordinator, Inmontgo-L, Montgomery County, Indiana, U S G e n W e b Site manager of the following Rootsweb Lists: B l a c k s h e e p, L a n d e s, L a n d i s, P e f f l e y, S c i s m, E n d i c o t t, S h i p w r e c k, Inmontgo (Mont. Co. Indiana), NVChurch (Churchill Co. Nv.)

In a message dated 6/1/02 8:53:53 AM Mountain Daylight Time, halltown_tn1951@yahoo.com writes: > Have been doing genealogy research almost 7 yrs. Have observed one thing, > everbody tries to connect to someone famous. > > Am I the exception to this, my kin were just hard-working "average" people. > I have been doing genealogy, off and on, for well over 40 years, I was 8 when I filled out my own pedigree chart. I have never looked for anyone famous, I thought they all were, many are LDS Pioneers of 1847 and two were members of the Mormon Battalion. It wasn't until 1992 that I ran into the Royals and was able to verify, sketchily, that I have Mayflower Ancestors. I was at the Ogden Family History Center gedcomming one line and ran into the Royals. I started laughing and haven't stopped. This was entirely unexpected. Aleta, IBSSG, Charter Member Bo-Peep Award Ogden, Utah, USA "God sent his Singers upon the Earth, With songs of Gladness and Mirth. That they might touch the hearts of men, And bring them to Heaven again." --Longfellow

Speaking of Westchester, I have John Budd in my line. He founded Rye NY. Anyone else have him? Terri

In a message dated 6/1/02 10:53:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, halltown_tn1951@yahoo.com writes: > Have been doing genealogy research almost 7 yrs. Have observed one thing, > everbody tries to connect to someone famous. I actually didn't care about who I was related to. I just wanted to see if the old stories that we were told as kids that we were related to Daniel Boone were true, we didn't believe it as kids. We also used to go to Blue Licks a lot with my ggrandmother that connects us to that line. It took nine generations to prove it but it is all documented with Birth, Death and marriage certificates or Bible records and document's from his pension file. I was actually looking not for the boone connection, but if the blood lines crossed and what medical traits seemed prevalent. I was lucky to find people at the historical society and well worked lines that weren't as difficult to document. Robin TLC ISBN

In a message dated 6/1/02 2:17:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, zippywebgenie@hotmail.com writes: > lol Yes, I'm afraid they're going to have a visit from Mom, most definitely! > > And I have another grown kid in DE, with her husband and my only (so far) > two grandkids, so it looks like I'll be spending some time on the road in > the next couple years. lol Sure, I'll stop for a visit with you too. Would > be fun. > > Brian tells me he's got an apartment on the north side of Cincinnati, about > > a mile from where he'll be working. It's on the third floor, so he'll have > a I will look forward to your visit. That is a smart idea to live close to where he will be working , that is what I did when I relocated and bought a company in Ft. Myers and didn't know the area. There is snow skiing in IN and plenty of winter sports and other things that might interest him. It sounds like he is about 30 minutes from downtown. That is a great and growing area. I live on the East side of Cincinnati which is also very nice. Chicago is only about a 5 hour drive from here. So that is always nice. Robin

Have heard in the past that Pat Boone was a direct decendent of Daniel Boone. If I'm not mistaken Red Foley was Pat's father-in-law. Dale Goodwin Salem OR ----- Original Message ----- From: <Robinosborne90@cs.com> To: <BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] famous/infamous relatives In a message dated 6/1/02 10:53:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, halltown_tn1951@yahoo.com writes: > Have been doing genealogy research almost 7 yrs. Have observed one thing, > everbody tries to connect to someone famous. I actually didn't care about who I was related to. I just wanted to see if the old stories that we were told as kids that we were related to Daniel Boone were true, we didn't believe it as kids. We also used to go to Blue Licks a lot with my ggrandmother that connects us to that line. It took nine generations to prove it but it is all documented with Birth, Death and marriage certificates or Bible records and document's from his pension file. I was actually looking not for the boone connection, but if the blood lines crossed and what medical traits seemed prevalent. I was lucky to find people at the historical society and well worked lines that weren't as difficult to document. Robin TLC ISBN ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

"Shuler Michael" <grinch42@mindspring.com> wrote... > Sue, quite frankly, I was hoping it would be in Latin rather than German. However, since I didn't expect that it would be in English, I was gearing myself up to try to help... < Thx much, Mike! It's on it's way along with the partial translation that I've already done! Bless you! Best, SueB

Sue, quite frankly, I was hoping it would be in Latin rather than German. However, since I didn't expect that it would be in English, I was gearing myself up to try to help...no promises...I learned Latin, French, Spanish, some Turkish, English, and what little German my father could remember...but it was his ggrandfather who could actually claim fluency, so I didn't learn that much. Every time I'm in Germany the locals try to talk to me in German, so I must have the "look", but that doesn't mean I CAN help...only that I'm willing to try. Mike IBSSG > [Original Message] > From: Bobby & Sue Bates <bsbates@netease.net> > To: <BlackSheep-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 6/1/2002 3:45:14 PM > Subject: [BS-L] German translation needed! > > Hi Flockmates! > I received in today's mail the information on my g-g-uncle from his service in the Swiss Guard at the Vatican. Yep, this package came FROM the Vatican itself! Neat, eh? > Anyway, the problem is that I read VERY little (almost nicht) German and certainly not the handwritten bits! I'm going to scan the document and if anyone would like to take a shot at it feel free!! I've got quite a bit of it translated, between the Babelfish site and the German/English dictionary we have here. > On the 'UP' side, it looks like maybe this fella may be another Blacksheep for me because, if I'm reading this right, he was punished and discharged from service. :-) > HELP!! pleez? > Best, > SueB-TLC > IBSSG > > > > ==== BlackSheep Mailing List ==== > ~~~~ > > The contents of the Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com archives are copyrighted by each individual submitter. > > The Following topics are inappropriate on Blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com: > Political discussion/ views > Religious and inspirational postings, > Politically "Hot" Topics > Advertising and chain letters > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Shuler Michael --- grinch42@mindspring.com --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.

Sheepers, This is better than smashing a genealogical brick wall! It will save me a thousand bucks, at least for a while. What was making total hash out of my computer, even preventing Windows to load, was an incompatibility between Norton Antivirus 2002 and the version of ZoneAlarm I was running. Neither program was functioning properly. After sorting through tons of articles at the Symantec website, I stumbled over the proper one that explained it all. I had to uninstall Norton, uninstall ZoneAlarm, reinstall Norton. Things are back to normal. Sharon IBSSG

Hi Flockmates! I received in today's mail the information on my g-g-uncle from his service in the Swiss Guard at the Vatican. Yep, this package came FROM the Vatican itself! Neat, eh? Anyway, the problem is that I read VERY little (almost nicht) German and certainly not the handwritten bits! I'm going to scan the document and if anyone would like to take a shot at it feel free!! I've got quite a bit of it translated, between the Babelfish site and the German/English dictionary we have here. On the 'UP' side, it looks like maybe this fella may be another Blacksheep for me because, if I'm reading this right, he was punished and discharged from service. :-) HELP!! pleez? Best, SueB-TLC IBSSG

"Mike Lee" <bhlee@wcnet.org> wrote.... > If you believe the connection to Charlemagne, then you have to believe the connection to Peppin, and there is a whole Broadway Musical written about > him, named "Pippin." Nice songs and a good musical.< Wow! I hate to reveal my cultural ignorance here, but I didn't realize that the musical was about an historical figure. Interesting! :-) Best, SueB

lol Yes, I'm afraid they're going to have a visit from Mom, most definitely! And I have another grown kid in DE, with her husband and my only (so far) two grandkids, so it looks like I'll be spending some time on the road in the next couple years. lol Sure, I'll stop for a visit with you too. Would be fun. Brian tells me he's got an apartment on the north side of Cincinnati, about a mile from where he'll be working. It's on the third floor, so he'll have a nice view of what ever there is to see. Nice to hear that it's rolling and pretty down there. I was thinking it might be flat, as it is towards the north end near the big lake. He had also told me that it's quite the big city, with art and libraries and all. It's got 'culture'. Not sure what he'll do with it. lol he's usually on a computer in his spare time. I'm hoping he'll discover some snow sports in the winter. We checked around for familiar things. The closest Ikea is in Pittsburg. Don't know what else he'll recognize. None of the banks are the same. I pointed out Crawford Co. PA on the map and told him we had relatives that lived there 1825-1885. He seemed a bit interested, he does like history. It'll be a nice change for him, a bit of adventure. Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: Robinosborne90@cs.com Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BSChat] Cincinnati Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 08:45:18 EDT In a message dated 6/1/02 12:40:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, zippywebgenie@hotmail.com writes: > Thanks, Robin. Perhaps we can put a practical joke together for them. <G> > I'll be in touch. They leave on the 9th, I think, latest word. > > It is also called the river valley and it has lots of hills and curves. But very pretty, when the season's are right. All in all there is a lot of culture, art, and a great Library for genealogy, they have the top 3rd library in the country. One whole floor is dedicated to Genealogy and they have the info for most all states. It has a wealth of information. Do they know where they are going to live yet? There are a lot of Civil War battle sites in this area, and lots and lots of fun stuff to do. Well, I hope that means you will be coming to visit. Take Care, Robin ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

Hey, Brenda, were any of them in Westchester Co. NY before the 1600-1700? They may not have been tax payers. <g> Jan G. ----Original Message Follows---- From: brenda parker <halltown_tn1951@yahoo.com> Reply-To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com To: BLACKSHEEP-CHAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BSChat] famous/infamous relatives Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 07:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Have been doing genealogy research almost 7 yrs. Have observed one thing, everbody tries to connect to someone famous. Am I the exception to this, my kin were just hard-working "average" people. No kings, no presidents, no notorius outlaws, just "ordinary" people. Like everyone else they had their *giggle* blacksheep. But most were like 90% of today's people, just average, law abiding tax paying people. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

In a message dated 6/1/02 12:40:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, zippywebgenie@hotmail.com writes: > Thanks, Robin. Perhaps we can put a practical joke together for them. <G> > I'll be in touch. They leave on the 9th, I think, latest word. > > It is also called the river valley and it has lots of hills and curves. But very pretty, when the season's are right. All in all there is a lot of culture, art, and a great Library for genealogy, they have the top 3rd library in the country. One whole floor is dedicated to Genealogy and they have the info for most all states. It has a wealth of information. Do they know where they are going to live yet? There are a lot of Civil War battle sites in this area, and lots and lots of fun stuff to do. Well, I hope that means you will be coming to visit. Take Care, Robin

Have been doing genealogy research almost 7 yrs. Have observed one thing, everbody tries to connect to someone famous. Am I the exception to this, my kin were just hard-working "average" people. No kings, no presidents, no notorius outlaws, just "ordinary" people. Like everyone else they had their *giggle* blacksheep. But most were like 90% of today's people, just average, law abiding tax paying people. --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup

Jan--I liked Cincinnati, we almost moved there but my parents opted for Florida. (My dad liked the racetrack there-The Cincinnati Reds were my second fave team next to the Indians) It was great in the days of Pete Rose, Johnny Bench and that great infield. I had a great uncle from there. Terri

Hi Terri, Thx for the additional input! After I e'd you I did a little more checking around on the Net and found a bit more info. It was enough to make me wonder who else was involved in the murder/disposing of the body (figuring some other family member). I especially figured that was the case after reading about Frankie's father yelling what he did as she was on the scaffold. Thx for filling us all in! Maybe I'll have to break down and buy the book! ;-) Best, SueB ----- Original Message ----- From: <HBalc27124@aol.com> To: <bsbates@netease.net> Cc: <blacksheep-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [BS-L] Frankie Silver > According to Sharyn McCrumb, (and I find her to be a reliable researcher), > that Charlie was a "good time Charlie". He went to the neighbor's to get his > Christmas liquor and got "likkered up." When he came home Frankie started > yelling at him, he shouted back. The baby woke up crying and Charlie said he > was going to shut the baby up once and for all. As he cocked the hammer back, > Frankie picked up an axe and hit him on the head. She panicked, went in the > deep show across the river to her parents' house. Her father was trapping in > KY. Legend has it Frankie (born Frances Stewart) went to her in-laws cabin > and reported Charlie never came home. Meanwhile, her mother and 13 year old > brother cut the body up and disposed of him in the fireplace. But pieces of > Charlie kept showing up in the yard. In the church graveyard there were > three headstones, all for Charlie! > It wasn't so much the act of killing, it was the burning that did Frankie in. > And when she was about to be hung, her father called out, "Let it die with > you, Frankie" meaning her mother and brother's part in it. > It's a very unusual and good book. > Terri >