In a message dated 8/28/2002 6:59:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Jeff > > Why are divining and dowsing against the law? > > Patricia > 1. the law makers had bad experiences with charlatans, dowsing for water, oil, and RAIN. 2. there were a lot of twowns in drought areas fleeced by these charlatans Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (<A HREF="http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com">http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com</A>) ~~ If the AOL experience is so wonderful, how come their LOGO is a picture of a hurricane in the Bermuda Triangle?

Oops......I should have engaged brain before using keyboard. <g> I've lived in the country so long that I didn't even think of divining and dowsing in any context except rods. In the words of Gilda Radnor--'never mind' <bg> Patricia << --- [email protected] wrote: > Jeff > > Why are divining and dowsing against the law? > > Patricia > >>

Jeff Why are divining and dowsing against the law? Patricia In a message dated 8/28/02 7:50:06 PM, [email protected] writes: << I know there are laws against Divining, or Dowsing. Jeff >>

In a message dated 8/28/2002 3:07:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Dora, whilst I'm normally in total agreement with Jeff, I would add that one > archaic term he omitted is seer. Certainly, there were specialities, such > as phrenology, but general term for all would have been seer. Those were off the top of my head, but Seer is another I would agree with. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (<A HREF="http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com">http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com</A>) ~~ If the AOL experience is so wonderful, how come their LOGO is a picture of a hurricane in the Bermuda Triangle?

I know there are laws against Divining, or Dowsing. Jeff Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (<A HREF="http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com">http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com</A>) ~~ If the AOL experience is so wonderful, how come their LOGO is a picture of a hurricane in the Bermuda Triangle?

Thanks for all of your suggestions, none of them so far is it. Here is some stuff I found on the Internet, including the text of the New York State law, which employs the term fortune telling and forbids the use of any sort of psychic powers for money unless it is specifically for entertainment. I'd still like to find that old term. One local law charges a $10 license fee per day to use any sort of psychic powers whether for pay or not. ---------------------------------------------------- Law: No one may be a professional fortune-teller, and if one wishes to pursue the practice as an amateur, it must be practiced in a school or church. Country: USA State: North Carolina Citation: � 14-401.5. Practice of phrenology, palmistry, fortune- telling or clairvoyance prohibited. It shall be unlawful for any person to practice the arts of phrenology, palmistry, clairvoyance, fortune-telling and other crafts of a similar kind in the counties named herein. Any person violating any provision of this section shall be guilty of a Class 2 misdemeanor. This section shall not prohibit the amateur practice of phrenology, palmistry, fortune-telling or clairvoyance in connection with school or church socials, provided such socials are held in school or church buildings. Provided that the provisions of this section shall apply only to the Counties of Alexander, Ashe, Avery, Bladen, Brunswick, Buncombe, Burke, Caldwell, Camden, Carteret, Caswell, Chatham, Chowan, Clay, Columbus, Craven, Cumberland, Currituck, Dare, Davidson, Davie, Duplin, Durham, Franklin, Graham, Granville, Greene, Guilford, Halifax, Harnett, Haywood, Henderson, Hoke, Iredell, Johnston, Lee, Lenoir, Madison, Martin, McDowell, Mecklenburg, Moore, Nash, New Hanover, Onslow, Pasquotank, Pender, Perquimans, Person, Polk, Richmond, Robeson, Rockingham, Rutherford, Sampson, Scotland, Surry, Transylvania, Union, Wake and Wayne. (1951, c. 314; 1953, cc. 138, 227, 328; 1955, cc. 55, 454; 1957, cc. 151, 166, 309, 355, 915; 1959, cc. 428, 1018; 1961, c. 271; 1969, c. 1224, s. 20; 1973, cc. 12, 195; 1975, cc. 331, 351; 1977, c. 335; 1993, c. 539, s. 275; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c); 1993 (Reg. Sess., 1994), c. 596, s. 1.) Question B Confusion Stat. Rev. � 106-16 regulates the practice of "fortune telling." The statute provides, in relevant part: 106-16. Regulation of fortune telling services. 1. Prohibition. It shall be illegal to engage in fortune telling services in the City of Confusion. (a) "fortune telling services" means the provision of personal services through which a person promises to or attempts (1) to tell fortunes, to overcome evil influences and bad luck, to treat the sick or ailing, to find or restore lost or stolen property, to locate gold, silver, or other valuable natural resources; to restore lost love or friendship or affection, to unite or procure lovers, husbands, wives, lost relatives or friends, (2) by means of claimed occult or psychic powers, clairvoyance, mediumship, astrology, palmistry, necromancy, tarot cards, talismans, charms, potions, use of magnetized articles, numerology or magic of any kind. 2. Prohibition of Advertisements. No person shall advertise by sign, circular handbill, or in any newspaper, periodical or other publication, or by any other means, fortune telling services within the City of Confusion. 3. Exemption for bona fide religious practices. The provisions of sections 1 and 2 above shall not be construed to include, prohibit or interfere with the exercise of (a) any religious or spiritual function of any priest, minister, rector, rabbi or any accredited representative of any bona fide church, synagogue or religion, (b) when such priest, minister, rector, rabbi or accredited representative holds a certificate of credit, commission or ordination under the ecclesiastical laws of a religious corporation incorporated under the laws of any state or territory of the United States of America, or any voluntary religious association, and (c) who conforms to the rites and practices prescribed by the supreme conferences, convocation, convention, assembly, association or synod of the system or faith with which such priest, minister, rector, rabbi or accredited representative is affiliated; (d) provided, however, that any church or religious organization which is organized for the primary purpose of conferring certificates of commission, credit or ordination for a price, and not primarily for the purpose of practicing a religious doctrine or belief, shall not be deemed to be a bona fide church or religious organization. 4. Penalty. Every person who violates this ordinance shall be punished by a fine of not less than $1 and not exceeding $500 or by imprisonment for up to 30 days. 5. Severability. If any portion or portions of this statute are held unconstitutional, the court is authorized to sever the offending portion or portions and preserve as much of the statute as possible. Sandra Starstruck has been a full-time practicing astrologer in the State of Confusion since 1970. She has appeared on a local cable access show in Confusion City and advertises for clients in the Confusion City Yellow Pages. To practice her craft, Starstruck relies on the subject's date, time, and place of birth, and a computer program that calculates star charts. Starstruck personally analyzes the meaning of these charts for her clients, offers advice about what to do or refrain from doing, and predicts the likelihood of certain events. For example, based on the client's horoscope, Starstruck might advise that the client will be vulnerable to illness or accident-prone or that the client soon will meet a potential spouse or lover or get married. Starstruck insists that she tells all of her clients that her advice does not rest upon predictions of what will actually happen. She claims that although astrological forces make certain results possible and even probable, the client retains free will to choose what to do. Until 1997, Starstruck participated in a yearly town fair held on Memorial Day weekend in which she maintained a tent on the town green, with a large sign advertising her services. She charged $15 for a reading. In 1997, she was informed by a Officer Thomas Doubting of the Confusion City Police Department that she was in violation of Confus. Rev. State � 106-16 and that if she continued to practice astrology within the city limits she would be arrested. James Robert (Jimmy Bob) Johnson is a preacher and faith healer who was raised as a member of a pentecostal sect but who broke away after being dissatisfied with the teachings of the denomination. He currently is associated with no organized church and has never been ordained by any denomination but refers to himself as a Minister for Christ and several of his followers refer to him as "Reverend Johnson." He holds public prayer meetings at which he asks if any person in the audience needs to be healed. Worshipers often come to him asking him to help them with their health problems. He says prayers over them and lays hands on them. Some but not all of these worshipers report physical or emotional improvements as a result of these faith healing sessions. Johnson believes that when his faith healing works it is because it releases demons that have taken refuge inside people's bodies and are forced out when Christ's name is mentioned. Over the years he has developed elaborate theories about demons and demonology that he claims form the basis of his faith healing work. These beliefs led ultimately to his theological break with the pentecostal sect in which he was raised. During and after his prayer sessions, Johnson asks the audience for contributions. Most of his income derives from these contributions. After hearing about Reverend Johnson's faith healing sessions, Officer Doubting approached Johnson and asked if he was an ordained minister. When informed that he was not ordained by any church, Doubting informed him that he was in violation of Confus. Rev. State � 106-16 and asked him to cease and desist from advertising his prayer meetings. Both Starstruck and Johnson have approached you about bringing an action to enjoin enforcement of the statute and seeking a declaration that the statute is unconstitutional. Discuss the constitutional issues raised by the lawsuit. ARTICLE 165 OTHER OFFENSES RELATING TO THEFT Section 165.00 Misapplication of property. 165.05 Unauthorized use of a vehicle in the third degree. 165.06 Unauthorized use of a vehicle in the second degree. 165.07 Unlawful use of secret scientific material. 165.08 Unauthorized use of a vehicle in the first degree. 165.09 Auto stripping in the third degree. 165.10 Auto stripping in the second degree. 165.11 Auto stripping in the first degree. 165.15 Theft of services. 165.17 Unlawful use of credit card, debit card or public benefit card. 165.20 Fraudulently obtaining a signature. 165.25 Jostling. 165.30 Fraudulent accosting. 165.35 Fortune telling. S 165.35 Fortune telling. A person is guilty of fortune telling when, for a fee or compensation which he directly or indirectly solicits or receives, he claims or pretends to tell fortunes, or holds himself out as being able, by claimed or pretended use of occult powers, to answer questions or give advice on personal matters or to exorcise, influence or affect evil spirits or curses; except that this section does not apply to a person who engages in the aforedescribed conduct as part of a show or exhibition solely for the purpose of entertainment or amusement. Fortune telling is a class B misdemeanor __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com

Patsy, thank you for your nice reply, and sharing your armadillo story. I laughed over and over about it. Once grandma put the armadillo on the air conditioner to dry she probably forgot all about it. A good thing also, can you imagine if she had tried to take it home with her on a plane, ROFL. I wouldn't have wanted to be her seat mate LOL. Indeed I do know what Houston, TX. is like in the summertime. We lived there for 3 years about 30 years ago, window units and all. My husband worked on the Houston Post and I worked in a dry cleaning plant. I don't think hell can be any worse than a dry cleaning plant in Houston in the summertime LOL. Gail in La.

I'm curious if they are. Both claim to tell the present, not the future. Dora --- [email protected] wrote: > Jeff > > Why are divining and dowsing against the law? > > Patricia > > In a message dated 8/28/02 7:50:06 PM, > [email protected] writes: > > << I know there are laws against Divining, or > Dowsing. > > Jeff > >> > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If > you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com

Dora, whilst I'm normally in total agreement with Jeff, I would add that one archaic term he omitted is seer. Certainly, there were specialities, such as phrenology, but general term for all would have been seer. Mike, IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dora Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 12:52 PM Subject: [BSChat] what is old legal term for fortune telling? > Does anyone know what is an older or slightly archaic > legal term for fortune telling? My astrology teacher > used the term in our class discussion about the law in > the early 1980's in Buffalo NY, and according to the > Internet this law is still on the books in New York > though no citation nor reference to the law by its > name. It forbids using any psychic practice in such a > way as to appear to foretell teh future, and it amy > forbid other things as well. I am interested in laws > that forbid appearing to have ESP. > > Yours, > Dora > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Any chance of getting away from the SKUNK chat??? Sheez......So boring!!!! Peg R NSW Australia [email protected] While you live, tell truth and shame the Devil! Checked by Norton's AV

Seer, gazing(sp), gazer, oracle, prophet, scryer, diviner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dora Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] what is old legal term for fortune telling?

>> Ummm... maybe 'prognostricating' ??<< Dora Smith wrote.... >No.< Ok, let's try it again. This time with the correct spelling and definition taken from Webster's 7th New Collegiate Dictionary: PROGNOSTIC: 1. Something that foretells: Portent. 2. Prognostication, Prophecy - prognostic adj. PROGNOSTICATE: 1. to foretell from signs or symptoms: Predict, Prophesy 2. Foreshow, presage, syn see: Foretell PROGNOSTICATION: 1. an indication in advance: Foretoken 2.a. an act, the fact, or the power of prognosticating: Forecast b: Foreboding. Sounds like the legalese archaic term to me but what does Webster know, anyway? Best, SueB

Why can't you quit? Pamela Faye Parker wrote: > > Found another game site, can't quit playing. Am now paying big money 3-4 hrs at a time > >

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It would likely be a law about FRAUD. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (<A HREF="http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com">http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com</A>) ~~ If the AOL experience is so wonderful, how come their LOGO is a picture of a hurricane in the Bermuda Triangle?

In a message dated 8/28/2002 10:57:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > >Does anyone know what is an older or slightly archaic > legal term for fortune telling? < > Gypsy, shaman, charlatan Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (<A HREF="http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com">http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com</A>) ~~ If the AOL experience is so wonderful, how come their LOGO is a picture of a hurricane in the Bermuda Triangle?

In a message dated 8/28/2002 10:57:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > >Does anyone know what is an older or slightly archaic > legal term for fortune telling? < > Divining? Casting? Seance. Phophesy? Oracle?Mysticize, Mezmerize (Hypnotize) cast, forecast, foretelling, prevision, prognosis, prognostication, weird , coaxing. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (<A HREF="http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com">http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com</A>) ~~ If the AOL experience is so wonderful, how come their LOGO is a picture of a hurricane in the Bermuda Triangle?

Faye Parker wrote: > > Did any one mention oracle? > > Am Southern born and bred and darn proud of it Am researching maternally:ballard,briley,clubbs,george,gillihan,goolsby,jackson,link(9x),majors,pool/poole,summers,thompson How about Wizard, Merlin, Mordred and so on -- Wild Bill, North Pole, Alaska My reality check just bounced

Dora Smith wrote.... >Does anyone know what is an older or slightly archaic legal term for fortune telling? < Ummm... maybe 'prognostricating' ?? Best, SueB