Marge, That was very well written. I read an article about the day the closed down the recovery work, not that long ago. The last thing they did was go clean off their own window sill of any dust and debree, just in case there was any identifiable DNA there. I have a HS friend (That was 40 years ago) whose daughter was attending college in NYC. Her dorm is about a mile from ground zero. She could see the twin towers from her window. She was awakened by the first hit and was taking pictures out the windo when she caught the second plane as it turned straight towards the second tower. It actually rose slightly from were it turned. Thank God. Maybe a few more lives were spared. Thank God for every peoson who wasn't in those buildings for any reaon who was supposed to be there. Thank God that they were not at capacity. Say a prayer of thanks for everyone who was and did make it out. Say a prayer of rememberance for every one who didn't make it out and every rescue worker that didn't make it out. Thanks to those who didn't tell us all the truth until we had a little time to adjust. Someone who works in my real estate office had a cousin who was killed. I am sure as time goes on I will meet more people who lost a loved that awful day. The civilians on the Pennsylvania plane were awsome beyond words. Now it is our turn to have courage in many big and small ways to bring this country back on track, hOpefully a better track than where it was that day. And yes, I agree that this is no time to be preaching hate. I also believe that if we think the threat is over we are deluded. We have to see this through or we will never stop experiencing the horror of that day. Pamela mfields155 wrote: > > Hello List, > > I purposely kept this post on my computer from last year, it was written by > me on September 13, 2001. I believe that it is time to resubmit it to the > List, in hopes that all of us will search our hearts, asking ourselves a

Hello List, I purposely kept this post on my computer from last year, it was written by me on September 13, 2001. I believe that it is time to resubmit it to the List, in hopes that all of us will search our hearts, asking ourselves are we better Americans that we were at this time last year. Do we still go out of our way to give someone a smile and a hello, even if we don't know them -are we more patient with our children, elder parents, and the many families of immigrants who have come to this country hoping to escape horrors that we can't even begin to imagine. In no way am I saying that we should forget/forgive this horrible thing visited on us September 11, 2001. We should be careful about how we teach our children, they are the ones who will carry on our legacy when we are gone. Please feel free to write me, I'd like to see how others of us are doing. As on September 13, 2001 - please accept this message from me now with Peace and Love. Marge ----- Original Message ----- From: "mfields155" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 8:34 PM Subject: [BSChat] A Thought from Marge - - Personal Opinion > Dear Folks on Our List, > > This post is written as a "Personal Opinion" from me. I'm a newbie on the List, and really enjoy reading all your thoughts - etc., then the WTC and Pentagon were bombed!! > > Something in all of our lives changed very drastically as we sat and watched the horror unfold before our very eyes, to see men and women - some no doubt Mom's and Dad's; and young people who were just beginning their lives leap from those windows - many stories over the street, and we all knew in our heart of hearts that none of them could survive. > > This is two days later, and they are still finding people alive in the rubble. How do you think those people who are still being pulled out as I write this would feel - would they still be alive - if they had given up hope of rescue - or that the people who are working so hard to find them - if they had given up hope at any time. > > HOPE - is exactly what we have to have!!! This is my point - - - none of us can afford nor dare to give up hope as long as there are still tappings in that rubble, people who are brave enough to keep going back in when they know how unstable the area is - and that they might be buried next!! > > I don't like to see us post ugly, hateful things on our List. This is not a time to accuse, we need to be accepting of our diversity, it is a time to heal things of the past - that man has done to man over the years. This is a time for all of us to strong, a time to teach our children and ourselves about different races, religions - and yes - even colors of people. Now is when we need to encourage each other and count our blessings that we are fortunate enough to have our families with us tonight. > > I close in hope that this Post will not be taken in any light other than which it is intended. Take Care, Peace & Love to All - Marge > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > >

Pamela Booth wrote.... > Abigail Fairbanks < At last! One that I can help with! ;-) Pamela, I have the Fairbanks Family In America genealogy book if you need a lookup on this one. Best, SueB-TLC IBSSG

M > Subject: Female Direct Lines > Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 14:30:02 -0700 > From: Pamela Booth <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > on the previous list, those were direct lines in this contry. A number > of them go for many generations into England and Europe. > These are the Female direct lines going up my father's Surname. > > Ida Huldah Wertz > Mary Jones > Lydia Wheeland > Susan Decker > > Christina Oberlin > Christina Zweiker > Anna Pfeil > > Catharina Stober > Eva Bauer > > Magdelena Baker > > Catherine? > > Mary Ann Bouslough > Clara Hileman > Anna Young > Anna Maria ? > > Esther Rench or Rentch > > Anna Maria ? > > Catherine Wirt? > > Jennette Tewell/Tuel/Tewell > Elizabeth ? > > Lucretia Stewart > Elizabeth Stuart > > Agnes Paul > > Jane or Jean Clark > > Abigail Keith > Abigail Leonard > Thankful Besse > Mary Pray > Elizabeth Hayden > Hannah Ames > Hannah Adams or Niles? > > Susanna Pullen > > Joanna Downham or Livingstone? > > Joan Valliance > > Mary Ransom > Hannah or Susannah ? > > Jane Annabel > Jane Momford > > Marjoram Washburn > Elizabeth Irish > Elizabeth Risley > ? Arnold > > Elizabeth Twytt > > Margerie or Margaret Moore > > Sarah Chandler > Mary Simonds > Judith Phippen > > Isabella Chilton > Susanna ? > > Sarah Chandler > > Betty Chandler > Rebecca Packard > Mary Edson > Mary Dean > Susanna Byram > Susanna Shaw > > Lydia Smith > Lydia Eliot > Elizabeth Sybthorpe > > Hannah Washburn > Deborah Packard > Elizabeth Stream > Elizabeth Whitman > > Elizabeth Mitchell > Jane Cooke > Hester Maheiu > > Margaret Moore > Ellen Taylor > Martha Stevens > > Susanna Edson > Susanna Orcutt > > Abigail Fairbanks > Susanna Corning > Abigail ? > > Lydia Gay > Lydia Hawes > Eliony Lumber or Lombard > > Jane Porter > > Joanna Borden > > Sara Chandler > > Mary Ann Adams > Edith Rosamund Squire > > Grace Lee Smith > Grace Gawkroger > > Abigail Morse > Abigail Barnes > Hannah Howe > Martha Bent > Martha Baker or Blanchard > > Agnes Gosling > > Bridget Rich > > Mary Adams > > Abigail Goodnow > > Jane Ruddick > > Jeanetta Key > > Grace Warren > Mary Barron > Grace Hawkins > Hannah Hammond > > Margaret Bayly > Elizabeth Scarlett > > Susanna Shattuck > Susanna barnard Hayden > Phebe Whiting > > Hester or Esther Pierce > > Mary Winter/Wayeth/Wither > > Silence Allen > Jane Ross > Mary Goodenow > Jane Ruddock > > Anna Makgill > > Mary ? > > Rebecca ? > > Hannah Underwood > Mary Wilder > Martha Higgs > > Rachel Edwards > > Ruth Whitney > Ruth Reynolds > Mary Pulleyne > > Damaris Sibley? > > Elinor Bray or Arnold? > > There are a number of these lines which also go into England and Europe.

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I don't think so. there is no need for you to get ugly either. Rhonda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dora Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] ghosts > Oh give it a break! > > Dora > > --- Hummingbird Sings <[email protected]> wrote: > > Then she would also have taught you that Native > > american Religion is very > > private and nottobe shared with anyone outside of > > your tribe. > > > > Rhonda IBSSG > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mike Shuler" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 7:22 PM > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] ghosts > > > > > > > The dialogue varies from nation to nation, and of > > course, each nation > > > intones in their own unique tongue. In essence, > > the words in English > > would > > > be as follows: > > > > > > Oh, beloved ones, hear the words from the Great > > Spirit. You are called to > > > be one with the spirits in the lands beyond earth > > and time. To free your > > > spirit you must now yield to me and go with me, > > leaving the bonds of this > > > earth. You shall have eternal good hunting in the > > life beyond. > > > > > > (Suppose I should explain that my ggrandmother was > > Choctaw) > > > > > > Mike, IBSSG > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "A. L. Fischer" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 6:44 PM > > > Subject: [BSChat] ghosts > > > > > > > > > > It is a chant for the lost ones. The ones that > > cannot find there way. > > A > > > > Shaman or Medicine man would know of it. > > > > Whitewolf > > > > > > > > > > > > > What kind of chant Whitewolf? This is > > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > > > Unsubscribe from the list: > > > > > > > > > > Mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > > > scribe > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > > online genealogy > > records, > > > go to: > > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > > Unsubscribe from the list: > > > > > > Mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > > scribe > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > > online genealogy records, > > go to: > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > Unsubscribe from the list: > > > Mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > > online genealogy records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

This discussion is getting too close to religious issues, we need to honor each other's beliefs and go on to another topic. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (<A HREF="http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com">http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com</A>) ~~ "Genealogy is the art of the Living haunting the Dead."

I will be out of the net for about a week. Whitewolf

I am respecting Jeff's request that we do not pursue this any more. Whitewolf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dora Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [BSChat] ghosts > Whitewolf: > > Do you know Christianity's chant/prayer for lost > souls? > > I am a Christian, and I know nothing about it. > > The only Christian answer I know of to lost souls is > excorcism, which is hard ot have done and way > inappropriate if the spirit you are dealing with is > not evil, which is usually the case. The point of an > excorcism is to send a demon back to hell. You > wouldn't tell an honest ghost to go there, nor would > you talk spitefully to it or call it Satan. > > Dora > > --- "A. L. Fischer" <[email protected]> wrote: > > But this is not translated exactly and not in the > > native tongue. As you > > know some words do not translate into English very > > well. Many cultures have > > basically the same chant/prayer, with slight > > variations. Even Christianity > > has a chant/prayer for lost ones (lost souls). > > > > Whitewolf > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Hummingbird Sings" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 7:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] ghosts > > > > > > > Then she would also have taught you that Native > > american Religion is very > > > private and nottobe shared with anyone outside of > > your tribe. > > > > > > Rhonda IBSSG > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Mike Shuler" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 7:22 PM > > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] ghosts > > > > > > > > > > The dialogue varies from nation to nation, and > > of course, each nation > > > > intones in their own unique tongue. In essence, > > the words in English > > > would > > > > be as follows: > > > > > > > > Oh, beloved ones, hear the words from the Great > > Spirit. You are called > > to > > > > be one with the spirits in the lands beyond > > earth and time. To free > > your > > > > spirit you must now yield to me and go with me, > > leaving the bonds of > > this > > > > earth. You shall have eternal good hunting in > > the life beyond. > > > > > > > > (Suppose I should explain that my ggrandmother > > was Choctaw) > > > > > > > > Mike, IBSSG > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "A. L. Fischer" <[email protected]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 6:44 PM > > > > Subject: [BSChat] ghosts > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is a chant for the lost ones. The ones > > that cannot find there way. > > > A > > > > > Shaman or Medicine man would know of it. > > > > > Whitewolf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What kind of chant Whitewolf? This is > > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > > > > Unsubscribe from the list: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > > > > scribe > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 > > billion online genealogy > > > records, > > > > go to: > > > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > > > Unsubscribe from the list: > > > > > > > > > > Mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > > > scribe > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > > online genealogy > > records, > > > go to: > > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > > Unsubscribe from the list: > > > > > > Mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > > scribe > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > > online genealogy records, > > go to: > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > Unsubscribe from the list: > > > Mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > > online genealogy records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

It really isn't something that you want to fool around with. You need to get someone that really knows what they are doing and let them do it. Whitewolf > I'd like to know more about it.

Margaret Irene Hoffard Matilda Habel Mary ???? Margaret ???? Grace Ethel Raine Margaret Atkinson Nancy Ella Cook Anna E. Mack Wealthy Hartshorn ERlizabeth Ann Brown Elizabeth Smith Elizabeth Fowler Elizabeth Cowles Hepzibah Ford Hannah Hart Sarah Osborne Elizabeth Charde Margaret Farmington Elizabeth Bartlett Mary Hubbard Mary Cruttenden Mary Winsley/Winslow Mary Bishop Mary Warren (this is my link to the Mayflower) Mary Hinkson Elizabeth Rande Margaret Gerard Joan ???? Alicia Hyde Allynor WaldronElizabeth Bunckon Elizabeth Lambert (supposed to be my link to royalty, but I don't believe it) Joanna Trethewy -- Wild Bill, North Pole, Alaska My reality check just bounced

Whitewolf: Do you know Christianity's chant/prayer for lost souls? I am a Christian, and I know nothing about it. The only Christian answer I know of to lost souls is excorcism, which is hard ot have done and way inappropriate if the spirit you are dealing with is not evil, which is usually the case. The point of an excorcism is to send a demon back to hell. You wouldn't tell an honest ghost to go there, nor would you talk spitefully to it or call it Satan. Dora --- "A. L. Fischer" <[email protected]> wrote: > But this is not translated exactly and not in the > native tongue. As you > know some words do not translate into English very > well. Many cultures have > basically the same chant/prayer, with slight > variations. Even Christianity > has a chant/prayer for lost ones (lost souls). > > Whitewolf > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hummingbird Sings" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 7:40 PM > Subject: Re: [BSChat] ghosts > > > > Then she would also have taught you that Native > american Religion is very > > private and nottobe shared with anyone outside of > your tribe. > > > > Rhonda IBSSG > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mike Shuler" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 7:22 PM > > Subject: Re: [BSChat] ghosts > > > > > > > The dialogue varies from nation to nation, and > of course, each nation > > > intones in their own unique tongue. In essence, > the words in English > > would > > > be as follows: > > > > > > Oh, beloved ones, hear the words from the Great > Spirit. You are called > to > > > be one with the spirits in the lands beyond > earth and time. To free > your > > > spirit you must now yield to me and go with me, > leaving the bonds of > this > > > earth. You shall have eternal good hunting in > the life beyond. > > > > > > (Suppose I should explain that my ggrandmother > was Choctaw) > > > > > > Mike, IBSSG > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "A. L. Fischer" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 6:44 PM > > > Subject: [BSChat] ghosts > > > > > > > > > > It is a chant for the lost ones. The ones > that cannot find there way. > > A > > > > Shaman or Medicine man would know of it. > > > > Whitewolf > > > > > > > > > > > > > What kind of chant Whitewolf? This is > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > > > Unsubscribe from the list: > > > > > > > > > > Mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > > > scribe > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 > billion online genealogy > > records, > > > go to: > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > > Unsubscribe from the list: > > > > > > Mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > > scribe > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > Unsubscribe from the list: > > > Mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > scribe > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com

Thankyou very much for sharing your knowledge of how to send a ghost to the hereafter with us. I think a few ghosts will benefit from our knowledge. The next time I encounter one (I have met one or two), I will know what to do to help it. Ideas that knowledge is secret, someone owns it and it should not be shared have no place here or anywhere else. Dora --- Hummingbird Sings <[email protected]> wrote: > Then she would also have taught you that Native > american Religion is very > private and nottobe shared with anyone outside of > your tribe. > > Rhonda IBSSG > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Shuler" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 7:22 PM > Subject: Re: [BSChat] ghosts > > > > The dialogue varies from nation to nation, and of > course, each nation > > intones in their own unique tongue. In essence, > the words in English > would > > be as follows: > > > > Oh, beloved ones, hear the words from the Great > Spirit. You are called to > > be one with the spirits in the lands beyond earth > and time. To free your > > spirit you must now yield to me and go with me, > leaving the bonds of this > > earth. You shall have eternal good hunting in the > life beyond. > > > > (Suppose I should explain that my ggrandmother was > Choctaw) > > > > Mike, IBSSG > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "A. L. Fischer" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 6:44 PM > > Subject: [BSChat] ghosts > > > > > > > It is a chant for the lost ones. The ones that > cannot find there way. > A > > > Shaman or Medicine man would know of it. > > > Whitewolf > > > > > > > > > > What kind of chant Whitewolf? This is > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > > Unsubscribe from the list: > > > > > > Mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > > scribe > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > Unsubscribe from the list: > > > Mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > scribe > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com

Oh give it a break! Dora --- Hummingbird Sings <[email protected]> wrote: > Then she would also have taught you that Native > american Religion is very > private and nottobe shared with anyone outside of > your tribe. > > Rhonda IBSSG > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Shuler" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 7:22 PM > Subject: Re: [BSChat] ghosts > > > > The dialogue varies from nation to nation, and of > course, each nation > > intones in their own unique tongue. In essence, > the words in English > would > > be as follows: > > > > Oh, beloved ones, hear the words from the Great > Spirit. You are called to > > be one with the spirits in the lands beyond earth > and time. To free your > > spirit you must now yield to me and go with me, > leaving the bonds of this > > earth. You shall have eternal good hunting in the > life beyond. > > > > (Suppose I should explain that my ggrandmother was > Choctaw) > > > > Mike, IBSSG > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "A. L. Fischer" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 6:44 PM > > Subject: [BSChat] ghosts > > > > > > > It is a chant for the lost ones. The ones that > cannot find there way. > A > > > Shaman or Medicine man would know of it. > > > Whitewolf > > > > > > > > > > What kind of chant Whitewolf? This is > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > > Unsubscribe from the list: > > > > > > Mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > > scribe > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > Unsubscribe from the list: > > > Mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > scribe > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com

Oh, OK, thanks! --- Mike Shuler <[email protected]> wrote: > The dialogue varies from nation to nation, and of > course, each nation > intones in their own unique tongue. In essence, the > words in English would > be as follows: > > Oh, beloved ones, hear the words from the Great > Spirit. You are called to > be one with the spirits in the lands beyond earth > and time. To free your > spirit you must now yield to me and go with me, > leaving the bonds of this > earth. You shall have eternal good hunting in the > life beyond. > > (Suppose I should explain that my ggrandmother was > Choctaw) > > Mike, IBSSG > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A. L. Fischer" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 6:44 PM > Subject: [BSChat] ghosts > > > > It is a chant for the lost ones. The ones that > cannot find there way. A > > Shaman or Medicine man would know of it. > > Whitewolf > > > > > > > What kind of chant Whitewolf? This is > interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > Unsubscribe from the list: > > > Mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > scribe > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com

I'd like to know more about it. I've talked to quite alot of people over the years who have encountered a soul who needed to be put to rest. From what people have told me lookng into the circumstances of the spirit's death and discussing it where the spirit can hear often does the trick. Dora --- "A. L. Fischer" <[email protected]> wrote: > It is a chant for the lost ones. The ones that > cannot find there way. A > Shaman or Medicine man would know of it. > Whitewolf > > > > What kind of chant Whitewolf? This is > interesting. > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com

> > Dora > > I would like to clarify that the "roswell" show is > an entertainmnt, and not > fact. Someone wrote those predetermined > scenarios,and planned how the > audience would react to the "situation', much > political propaganda uses > "scripted" incidences to achieve the same result. > > Story is fictional, the powers aren't. Some people have those powers. I don't think the writers of Roswell are fronting for the far right. They raise some real ethical issues. Another thing that happens to the kids is the military kidnaps Max because they want to exploit their powers too! The same ethical issues are the core theme of Tolkiens' series. The tremendous power of the One Ring necessarily corrupts anyone who tries to use it. It is an amount of power the human race can't handle - and elves find difficult too. But Boromir argues as one might that the Ring should be harnessed for good. Meanwhile the head of the order of wizards is bioengineering super-orcs for the dark lord's war. I'm enjoying this discussion about ghosts, though. No danger of exploitation in getting the creeps! Dora __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com

She was a Nelson of the Alabama Choctaw. ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. L. Fischer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 5:21 PM Subject: [BSChat] Chants > This is the one, a few differences, but basically it. > Your grandmother was Choctaw, so was my uncle, his last name was Foraker. > Whitewolf > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Shuler" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 5:22 PM > Subject: Re: [BSChat] ghosts > > > > The dialogue varies from nation to nation, and of course, each nation > > intones in their own unique tongue. In essence, the words in English > would > > be as follows: > > > > Oh, beloved ones, hear the words from the Great Spirit. You are called to > > be one with the spirits in the lands beyond earth and time. To free your > > spirit you must now yield to me and go with me, leaving the bonds of this > > earth. You shall have eternal good hunting in the life beyond. > > > > (Suppose I should explain that my ggrandmother was Choctaw) > > > > Mike, IBSSG > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

But this is not translated exactly and not in the native tongue. As you know some words do not translate into English very well. Many cultures have basically the same chant/prayer, with slight variations. Even Christianity has a chant/prayer for lost ones (lost souls). Whitewolf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hummingbird Sings" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] ghosts > Then she would also have taught you that Native american Religion is very > private and nottobe shared with anyone outside of your tribe. > > Rhonda IBSSG > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Shuler" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 7:22 PM > Subject: Re: [BSChat] ghosts > > > > The dialogue varies from nation to nation, and of course, each nation > > intones in their own unique tongue. In essence, the words in English > would > > be as follows: > > > > Oh, beloved ones, hear the words from the Great Spirit. You are called to > > be one with the spirits in the lands beyond earth and time. To free your > > spirit you must now yield to me and go with me, leaving the bonds of this > > earth. You shall have eternal good hunting in the life beyond. > > > > (Suppose I should explain that my ggrandmother was Choctaw) > > > > Mike, IBSSG > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "A. L. Fischer" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 6:44 PM > > Subject: [BSChat] ghosts > > > > > > > It is a chant for the lost ones. The ones that cannot find there way. > A > > > Shaman or Medicine man would know of it. > > > Whitewolf > > > > > > > > > > What kind of chant Whitewolf? This is interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > > Unsubscribe from the list: > > > > > > Mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > > scribe > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > > Unsubscribe from the list: > > > Mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub > scribe > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

This is the one, a few differences, but basically it. Your grandmother was Choctaw, so was my uncle, his last name was Foraker. Whitewolf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Shuler" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] ghosts > The dialogue varies from nation to nation, and of course, each nation > intones in their own unique tongue. In essence, the words in English would > be as follows: > > Oh, beloved ones, hear the words from the Great Spirit. You are called to > be one with the spirits in the lands beyond earth and time. To free your > spirit you must now yield to me and go with me, leaving the bonds of this > earth. You shall have eternal good hunting in the life beyond. > > (Suppose I should explain that my ggrandmother was Choctaw) > > Mike, IBSSG >