Thanks Cal, my son-in-law drives also, and just purchased his own rig, so he can be home more often with the family, as my beautiful daughter is ill at the moment. With my help the other day, he went to Ocala, Fl and made his purchase on a rig that has been very well taken care of, and in good condition. That guy needs to be cloned, and is special to me, his wife, and two children, who sure wanted Daddy home more. Planting wildflowers again in October on Atlantic Blvd just before the intercoastal. What states do you drive in.? Keith went to Calif, Mich, Va, and all over, but was gone for over two weeks at a time. He can load containers and be home more. His father died young at 36 of a heart attack, and he has been on his own since 17. Great little guy, and loves me also. Bettye

My line goes back 13 times to a Johan Nicholaus Link born in Germany in 1746. Am Southern born and bred and darn proud of it Am researching maternally:ballard,briley,clubbs,george,gillihan,goolsby,jackson,link(9x),majors,pool/poole,summers,thompson paternally:ausbrooks,barber,:brown,freeland,gant,kirkham,mcquiston,moye,parker,rippy,tipton,whitson Brenda Parker proud member of the IBSSG --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!

Well after Rick's and allen's long lists mine looks puny but here goes My Lymans go back to 1631 the rest I haven't been able to get to them yet, I am too busy trying to document thousands of Lymans in my file. Which I have found approximately 1,125 each in the 1880 & 1900 census and still looking in the 1900 and then on to the 1920& 1930 So I will be kept busy for a while and then hope to be able to get to the rest of my Grand Parents Grand Alvin Elliot Lyman 1881-1919 Grace Ethel Raine 1882-1944 Benedict Hoffard 1863-1902 Matilda Habel 1862- 1929 Great Grand Franklin Pierce Lyman 1850-1888 Nacy Ella Cook 1856 William Raine 1845-1922 Margaret Atkinson 1845- 1933 Adam Hoffard Margaret ?? Joseph Habel 1839 Mary ?? Great Great Grand Chester Lyman 1801-1874 Anna E. Mack 1804-1894 -- Wild Bill, North Pole, Alaska The enemy has us surrounded...the poor bastards!

He must have been a soggy exhibitionist! LOL Mike, IBSSG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby & Sue Bates" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 11:59 PM Subject: [BSChat] Fw: Thursday, September 19, 2002 > MessageFor the LIFE of me, I cannot fathom a useful purpose for this invention. At least, not for myself at any rate, but, hey....!!! ;-) *shrug* > Best, > SueB > > McArthur's Trivial Thought for the DayT: > > American sculptor Alexander Calder rigged the front door of his Paris apartment so that he could open it from his bathtub. > - > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsub scribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

In a message dated 9/18/2002 9:57:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > American sculptor Alexander Calder rigged the front door of his Paris > apartment so that he could open it from his bathtub. > - > Let's in the servant's room service, valet... Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (<A HREF="http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com">http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com</A>) ~~ "Genealogy is the art of the Living haunting the Dead."

MessageFor the LIFE of me, I cannot fathom a useful purpose for this invention. At least, not for myself at any rate, but, hey....!!! ;-) *shrug* Best, SueB McArthur's Trivial Thought for the DayT: American sculptor Alexander Calder rigged the front door of his Paris apartment so that he could open it from his bathtub. -

That's what I thought I vaguely remembered. That Ancestral Something was fully compatible with PAF. People on the rootsweb genealogical software lists are telling me Legacy imports PAF files without going through GEDCOM, and someone told me about a program I've never heard of he said does the same thing. Anyone have experience with Legacy? Also, someone said that Legacy interacts well with PAF specifically because it is closely tied to the Mormon church. Not that bothers me, I'm curious. Anyone know anything about it? Dora --- [email protected] wrote: > In a message dated 9/17/02 11:45:52 AM Mountain > Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > > Missed second part of this; does Ancestral Quest > > import date ranges, "abt 1635", and 1636/1637? > > > > Ancestral Quest uses the same date/place format that > PAF does. > > Aleta, IBSSG, Charter Member > Bo-Peep Award > > Ogden, Utah, USA > > "God sent his Singers upon the Earth, With songs of > Gladness and Mirth. That > they might touch the hearts of men, And bring them > to Heaven again." > --Longfellow > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Creative use of your delete key is encouraged. If > you disagree with the subject, CHANGE the subject. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com

I've runinto them in the autumn, too, though having carefully read six versions (inlcuding the one you sent me and one in the library) I can't see what would be the reason for it. Last night I was mysteriously having trouble finding them at all! I might have to have my program create a listing with birth dates. I had wanted to create a small GEDCOM to send to people who have Ancestral Quest and Legacy to import and then export back to me to see what happened to the dates. Dora --- [email protected] wrote: > In a message dated 9/17/02 11:45:52 AM Mountain > Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > > I know that usually one can deduce that if a date > is > > Feb 1636/1637 the "real" year is 1637, and that if > it > > is Nov 1636/1637 the "real" year is 1636. > > I have not run across the dual year out side 1 > January through 25 March of > any year during the time they were used. > > I'm wondering if the groups who were using them as > such were doing so not > knowing when to use them or had developed their own > rules concerning this. > > Aleta, IBSSG, Charter Member > Bo-Peep Award > > Ogden, Utah, USA > > "God sent his Singers upon the Earth, With songs of > Gladness and Mirth. That > they might touch the hearts of men, And bring them > to Heaven again." > --Longfellow > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > [email protected] is a wide spectrum > Chat List, Topics allowed are almost > anything.restrictions are: > Political discussion, religious prosylitizing, and > aggressive behavior, any of these topics will > result in restricted priveleges. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com

I'll give it a try and let you all know what happens! Six people on th eFTM tech support list told me that no only will FTM not import double dates, it won't accept them either. He said he tried one and it wouldn't work. If the default is cut off 1752? The manual alone is enough to convince me that those folks aren't geniuses. I'll see what I can do with it. Meanwhile, what do people think of Legacy? Dora --- Bobby & Sue Bates <[email protected]> wrote: > >Which program has what setting? > >Dora< > > That would be the FTM program, Dora. If you open > the program and click on 'File' you're given a menu > which includes 'Preferences'. > Scroll down to 'Preferences' and it will give you > another menu which will include 'Dates & Measures'. > Click on that and you are given the options of dates > in the format of Jan. 1, 2002 or 1 Jan. 2002 and an > option for setting a cutoff year for double dates. > It also informs me that the normal year for that is > 1752. You may also edit your abbreviations for > 'before', 'about' and 'in' at this location. > Additionally, in this section you may also set > measurements to either English or Metric system. > Hope that helps some! > Best, > SueB > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com

----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobby & Sue Bates" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [BSChat] ghosts , haunted houses & people > [email protected] wrote... > >.... The "witches" lived in a closet, in my brother's room. he says they were about 8-10 inches tall and there were three of them. He couldn't sleep at night because they were always chattering.< > > What's the line from "Hamlet"? Something about "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Methinks I shall agree with ol' Will on that one. > Best, > SueB > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > [email protected] is a wide spectrum Chat List, Topics allowed are almost anything.restrictions are: > Political discussion, religious prosylitizing, and aggressive behavior, any of these topics will result in restricted priveleges. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I have permission to forward this note. The site is great. --- connie mead <[email protected]> wrote: > From: "connie mead" <[email protected]> > Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 20:09:54 -0400 > Subject: [USCONVIC] ENGLAND > VIRGINIA: Transported > Convicts, 1617-1669 > To: [email protected] > > >From Another List: > > Transported from England to Virginia. 1617-1669, > <A > HREF="http://www.genealogy-quest.com/collections/allconvicts.html">Genealogy > Quest - Transported Convicts</A> > http://www.genealogy-quest.com/collections/allconvicts.html > > > Conniesue > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.389 / Virus Database: 220 - Release > Date: 9/16/02 > > > > ==== US-CONVICT-ANCESTORS Mailing List ==== > ~*~*~*~ > Welcome... > Searching the convictions of our ancestors > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ===== Am Southern born and bred and darn proud of it Am researching maternally:ballard,briley,clubbs,george,gillihan,goolsby,jackson,link(9x),majors,pool/poole,summers,thompson paternally:ausbrooks,barber,:brown,freeland,gant,kirkham,mcquiston,moye,parker,rippy,tipton,whitson Brenda Parker proud member of the IBSSG __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com

--- Becky <[email protected]> wrote: > From: "Becky" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [USCONVIC] UNITED STATES: Executions > Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:31:13 -0500 > To: [email protected] > > Thank you for this site, Connie. It is indeed very > interesting even though I > haven't even begun to digest it all. I am still > reading it, but wanted to > let you know how much I appreciate all you do. > > Becky - TN > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "connie mead" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 6:36 PM > Subject: [USCONVIC] UNITED STATES: Executions > > > > >From Another List: > > > > Fascinating if you are interested in stuff like > this.<g> > > Executions from 1608 for all kinds of deaths > before > > lethal injection. Includes the Salem Witchcraft > victims. > > > > Virginia had the honor of the first four > executions in the > > U.S. starting in 1608. Massachusetts was second > with > > their first hanging in 1630. > > > > Breaks everything down by name, age, race, sex, > occupation, > > crime, method, date, state and also includes the > number the > > execution was within that state. > > > > Has Civil War executions; describes types of > executions, illegal > > lynchings; Southern lynchings; statistics. > > > > You can search by name, state, date, type of > death, etc. > > > > Really interesting site. > > > > > > > > <A > HREF="http://users.bestweb.net/~rg/execution.htm">BEFORE > THE > NEEDLES</A> > > http://users.bestweb.net/~rg/execution.htm > > > > Conniesue > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.389 / Virus Database: 220 - Release > Date: 9/16/02 > > > > > > > > ==== US-CONVICT-ANCESTORS Mailing List ==== > > Sandy is your List mom > > To contact Sandy send email to > [email protected] > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== US-CONVICT-ANCESTORS Mailing List ==== > ~*~*~*~ > Welcome... > Searching the convictions of our ancestors > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ===== Am Southern born and bred and darn proud of it Am researching maternally:ballard,briley,clubbs,george,gillihan,goolsby,jackson,link(9x),majors,pool/poole,summers,thompson paternally:ausbrooks,barber,:brown,freeland,gant,kirkham,mcquiston,moye,parker,rippy,tipton,whitson Brenda Parker proud member of the IBSSG __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com

In a message dated 9/17/02 11:45:52 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Missed second part of this; does Ancestral Quest > import date ranges, "abt 1635", and 1636/1637? > Ancestral Quest uses the same date/place format that PAF does. Aleta, IBSSG, Charter Member Bo-Peep Award Ogden, Utah, USA "God sent his Singers upon the Earth, With songs of Gladness and Mirth. That they might touch the hearts of men, And bring them to Heaven again." --Longfellow

In a message dated 9/17/02 11:45:52 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > I know that usually one can deduce that if a date is > Feb 1636/1637 the "real" year is 1637, and that if it > is Nov 1636/1637 the "real" year is 1636. I have not run across the dual year out side 1 January through 25 March of any year during the time they were used. I'm wondering if the groups who were using them as such were doing so not knowing when to use them or had developed their own rules concerning this. Aleta, IBSSG, Charter Member Bo-Peep Award Ogden, Utah, USA "God sent his Singers upon the Earth, With songs of Gladness and Mirth. That they might touch the hearts of men, And bring them to Heaven again." --Longfellow

>Which program has what setting? >Dora< That would be the FTM program, Dora. If you open the program and click on 'File' you're given a menu which includes 'Preferences'. Scroll down to 'Preferences' and it will give you another menu which will include 'Dates & Measures'. Click on that and you are given the options of dates in the format of Jan. 1, 2002 or 1 Jan. 2002 and an option for setting a cutoff year for double dates. It also informs me that the normal year for that is 1752. You may also edit your abbreviations for 'before', 'about' and 'in' at this location. Additionally, in this section you may also set measurements to either English or Metric system. Hope that helps some! Best, SueB

[email protected] wrote... >.... The "witches" lived in a closet, in my brother's room. he says they were about 8-10 inches tall and there were three of them. He couldn't sleep at night because they were always chattering.< What's the line from "Hamlet"? Something about "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Methinks I shall agree with ol' Will on that one. Best, SueB

Ilived in a haunted house in Van Nuys California. The Home was builtin teh late 1800s and was the Sheriff's home which was adjacent to the Jail. The Jail itself was long gone, but we kept finding various weapons buried in the yard, swords, old revolvers and things like that. The house was haunted by a spirit we all called "Paul". Paul would open doors and windows ( the sliding sash type) He would open the refrigerator, and dump the liquids out on the floor. Sometimes he would close a door if you asked him. Paul was with us for the 4 years we lived there, and when we moved, we missed him. There were also some "evil" spirits there, and there were spontaneous fires, and my younger brother could "see" witches in the house, that no-one else could see. When the fires occured you could walk up to them and the area aroound the fire was ice cold until you came really close, then the heat was intense. The favorite thing to burn was window curtains, we finally took them all down. The "witches" lived in a closet, in my brother's room. he says they were about 8-10 inches tall and there were three of them. He couldn't sleep at night because they were always chattering. It was a very scary experience for him. Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG, (<A HREF="http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com">http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com</A>) ~~ "Genealogy is the art of the Living haunting the Dead."

Missed second part of this; does Ancestral Quest import date ranges, "abt 1635", and 1636/1637? I don't think I was quite clear on this. I need the documentation to send to the people at Genealogy.com and Arts and Entertainment Channel, who own Family Tree Maker. Unlike Family Tree Maker, they cannot reasonably be expected to know all about such a detail. I know that usually one can deduce that if a date is Feb 1636/1637 the "real" year is 1637, and that if it is Nov 1636/1637 the "real" year is 1636. Or I DID know that before I learned last night that the other reason for the double dates is the change from Gregorian to modern caldendar system. So one cannot really know what the date "means" and therefore cannot transcribe it. Moreover, the dating systems confuse both people transcribing the records, and the people who recorded the records. The exact original Quaker records on my great-great grandfather show him born one year and two months after his mother died. Only logical explanaiton is that his mother died when he was born in January 1804, and not only was the date reocrded in the Quaker (Puritan) dating system in the records, but because it was the "real" new year the recorder got confused and "forgot" to write 1804. Either that or the correct Quaker date WAS the previous year, consistently with calling it month 11, it confuses anyone. I've also seen dates transcribed differently for the seame person. One person was christened same date, 1636/1637 and 1638/1639. The only thing that can be done in such a context is to record teh date exactly as I found it. Not guess what is "really" the year. Yours, Dora --- [email protected] wrote: > In a message dated 9/16/02 7:44:47 AM Mountain > Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > > Does anyone know of a genealogy program that > imports > > GEDCOM's from PAF > > Dora, which version of PAF do you have? the newer > 5.0 version has more > options than the 4.0 and earlier. It is also a free > download. > > I would advise you to play with PAF a little. Click > on the tabs at the top > and see what is in them. See what it will do before > you go to another > program. > > I have PAF along with Ancestral Quest. I'm happy > with both. Ancestral Quest > does some nice reports. I haven't put pictures in, > but I know that it will > do so. > > Aleta, IBSSG, Charter Member > Bo-Peep Award > > Ogden, Utah, USA > > "God sent his Singers upon the Earth, With songs of > Gladness and Mirth. That > they might touch the hearts of men, And bring them > to Heaven again." > --Longfellow > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com

Thanks! Will check it out a little later! Dora --- [email protected] wrote: > In a message dated 9/16/02 12:50:16 PM Mountain > Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > > Also, I need to find some documentaion on Puritan > > dating. > > Dora, try the following link and/or URL, it the link > doesn't come through. > There is a very good article in these papers about > the split year, when it > should be used and so forth. > > Aleta, IBSSG, Charter Member > Bo-Peep Award > > Ogden, Utah, USA > > "God sent his Singers upon the Earth, With songs of > Gladness and Mirth. That > they might touch the hearts of men, And bring them > to Heaven again." > --Longfellow > > <A > HREF="http://brownellfamily.rootsweb.com/chronicles.html">The > Brownell Chronicles</A> > > < > http://brownellfamily.rootsweb.com/chronicles.html > > > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > [email protected] is a wide spectrum > Chat List, Topics allowed are almost > anything.restrictions are: > Political discussion, religious prosylitizing, and > aggressive behavior, any of these topics will > result in restricted priveleges. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com

I have the new version. Problem isn't how the dates are set in PAF nor how PAF is exporting the dates. Actually, the dates are exactly the way I want them. I am typing them in the way they appear in mnost sources and most published local records; 3 Mar 1636/1637. Apparently it is correct to put 1636-37 but that doesn't distinguish them from an uncertain date. I write them as Puritan dates to identify them as such. If I'm not sure about a date I say so. If I have several dates I put them, to let people know there is a range of dates that may be correct. The inability of FTM to deal with the 17th century dates is particularly idiotic. Dora --- [email protected] wrote: > In a message dated 9/16/02 7:44:47 AM Mountain > Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > > Does anyone know of a genealogy program that > imports > > GEDCOM's from PAF > > Dora, which version of PAF do you have? the newer > 5.0 version has more > options than the 4.0 and earlier. It is also a free > download. > > I would advise you to play with PAF a little. Click > on the tabs at the top > and see what is in them. See what it will do before > you go to another > program. > > I have PAF along with Ancestral Quest. I'm happy > with both. Ancestral Quest > does some nice reports. I haven't put pictures in, > but I know that it will > do so. > > Aleta, IBSSG, Charter Member > Bo-Peep Award > > Ogden, Utah, USA > > "God sent his Singers upon the Earth, With songs of > Gladness and Mirth. That > they might touch the hearts of men, And bring them > to Heaven again." > --Longfellow > > > ==== BLACKSHEEP-CHAT Mailing List ==== > Unsubscribe from the list: > Mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com