I am looking for information regarding Darius Robinson, particularly his parents, who lived in Hickory Valley, Tennessee. He was born in about 1820, possibly in North Carolina. He is said to have had a sister named Mary. He is my second great-grandfather, and I would like to know more about his family. My mother said he was known as "black Irish." Thanks for your help.
Carol, Thanks for all the information you sent me. I have passed it on the my friend and I am currently awaiting a response. I have tried to look up my own name which is McGaghey but to no avail. My father always insisted that it was Scottish not Iriah and it would appear he was right. Thabks again. Bob. On 01/10/2013 22:07, Annnocella@aol.com wrote: > On the contrary, I was in Ireland 2 years ago and asked a local, "What does > Black Irish mean?" His answer: "The original Irish". He was refering to > the indiginous people of Ireland who were there before all the later > invaders blew in and took over. So people in Ireland have heard the term. My > research indicates that the term Black Irish as used in the late 1800's/early > 1900's in America refers to purely Irish folk who belonged to one of the royal > Gaelic clans who ruled Ireland for hundreds of years prior to the invasions > of the Normans and English. A few years ago I did a survey of this group's > members. Something like 95% could trace their Black Irish family story to > an ancestor who had an Irish Gaelic surname. This included members whose > ancestry is mixed Irish/African. A majority of these surnames could be traced > to ruling Gaelic clans and Irish High Kings. > > For anyone wishing to research their Irish surname, I highly suggest the > website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlkik/ihm/ > > Carol Nocella > _________________________________________ > Before posting please make sure that your post is on topic for this list, that it does not offend anyone. Please see the guidelines http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jasche45133/rules.html > > To contact the list admin send an email to: BLACK-IRISH-admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BLACK-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >
Yes Joan, I did get a reply and very similar to yours. Some information was sent about a recent discovery that DNA found in some Irish people is very similar to the people of western Spain. However, as the Celtic people occupied Spain for a couple of hundred years it's doesn't surprise me that the DNA would be very similar and nothing to do with Spanish sailors. The friend I was enquiring for refers to herself as Black Irish as she has very black hair and dark eyes, though she wasn't born there, but her father was. I didn't know the Normans invaded Ireland but even if they did remember the Normans were Celts before they were defeated by the Romans. It's a very interesting subject isn't it. Thank you so much for your reply. Regards Bob. On 01/10/2013 19:28, JLA wrote: > Did you ever get an answer to your question? The way I understand it > the Spanish Armada is a myth. Black Irish is really more of an > American/Canadian term to describe dark hair/dark completed Irish > folk. Keep in mind that Ireland was invaded by the Vikings and > Normans with the Normans being a dark haired people. > > Also keep in mind that Ireland does have a Black Irish population with > people who descend from African countries. > > Growing up I had always heard the term Black Irish used as a racial > slur, and from what I discovered from research it is not a term you > will find in Ireland. > > Sincerely, > > Joan > > On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Bob Ollier <bobollier@hotmail.com> wrote: >> Hello I've just joined the list mainly because I have a friend who's >> father (now deceased) was from Co Galway. He told her that a Spanish >> warship sank off the coast a long time ago and they were descended from >> one of the crew that came ashore. It sounds far fetched to me but does >> anyone know if there is any truth in the story and if so are there any >> records of the event. >> Thank. I look forward to hearing the good news. >> >> Bob in Berkshire. >> _________________________________________ >> Before posting please make sure that your post is on topic for this list, that it does not offend anyone. Please see the guidelines http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jasche45133/rules.html >> >> To contact the list admin send an email to: BLACK-IRISH-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BLACK-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _________________________________________ > Before posting please make sure that your post is on topic for this list, that it does not offend anyone. Please see the guidelines http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jasche45133/rules.html > > To contact the list admin send an email to: BLACK-IRISH-admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BLACK-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >
Carol, Thanks for you post. OOPSIE! I guess I wasn't clear with my remarks, I know that the Irish know of the term Black Irish -- what I should have said that it is not used with the same meaning that Americans (and Canadians?) use it. Joan On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 5:07 PM, <Annnocella@aol.com> wrote: > On the contrary, I was in Ireland 2 years ago and asked a local, "What does > Black Irish mean?" His answer: "The original Irish". He was refering to > the indiginous people of Ireland who were there before all the later > invaders blew in and took over. So people in Ireland have heard the term. My > research indicates that the term Black Irish as used in the late 1800's/early > 1900's in America refers to purely Irish folk who belonged to one of the royal > Gaelic clans who ruled Ireland for hundreds of years prior to the invasions > of the Normans and English. A few years ago I did a survey of this group's > members. Something like 95% could trace their Black Irish family story to > an ancestor who had an Irish Gaelic surname. This included members whose > ancestry is mixed Irish/African. A majority of these surnames could be traced > to ruling Gaelic clans and Irish High Kings. > > For anyone wishing to research their Irish surname, I highly suggest the > website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlkik/ihm/ > > Carol Nocella > _________________________________________ > Before posting please make sure that your post is on topic for this list, that it does not offend anyone. Please see the guidelines http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jasche45133/rules.html > > To contact the list admin send an email to: BLACK-IRISH-admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BLACK-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
On the contrary, I was in Ireland 2 years ago and asked a local, "What does Black Irish mean?" His answer: "The original Irish". He was refering to the indiginous people of Ireland who were there before all the later invaders blew in and took over. So people in Ireland have heard the term. My research indicates that the term Black Irish as used in the late 1800's/early 1900's in America refers to purely Irish folk who belonged to one of the royal Gaelic clans who ruled Ireland for hundreds of years prior to the invasions of the Normans and English. A few years ago I did a survey of this group's members. Something like 95% could trace their Black Irish family story to an ancestor who had an Irish Gaelic surname. This included members whose ancestry is mixed Irish/African. A majority of these surnames could be traced to ruling Gaelic clans and Irish High Kings. For anyone wishing to research their Irish surname, I highly suggest the website: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlkik/ihm/ Carol Nocella
Did you ever get an answer to your question? The way I understand it the Spanish Armada is a myth. Black Irish is really more of an American/Canadian term to describe dark hair/dark completed Irish folk. Keep in mind that Ireland was invaded by the Vikings and Normans with the Normans being a dark haired people. Also keep in mind that Ireland does have a Black Irish population with people who descend from African countries. Growing up I had always heard the term Black Irish used as a racial slur, and from what I discovered from research it is not a term you will find in Ireland. Sincerely, Joan On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Bob Ollier <bobollier@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hello I've just joined the list mainly because I have a friend who's > father (now deceased) was from Co Galway. He told her that a Spanish > warship sank off the coast a long time ago and they were descended from > one of the crew that came ashore. It sounds far fetched to me but does > anyone know if there is any truth in the story and if so are there any > records of the event. > Thank. I look forward to hearing the good news. > > Bob in Berkshire. > _________________________________________ > Before posting please make sure that your post is on topic for this list, that it does not offend anyone. Please see the guidelines http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jasche45133/rules.html > > To contact the list admin send an email to: BLACK-IRISH-admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BLACK-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello I've just joined the list mainly because I have a friend who's father (now deceased) was from Co Galway. He told her that a Spanish warship sank off the coast a long time ago and they were descended from one of the crew that came ashore. It sounds far fetched to me but does anyone know if there is any truth in the story and if so are there any records of the event. Thank. I look forward to hearing the good news. Bob in Berkshire.
Happy St. Pat's Day to you as well. I have to admit wearing black is a new one on me. I'd be interested in knowing if anyone else has heard of this tradition. Click here for my St. Patrick's Day Greeting. Joan On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 5:08 PM, delirious1d <delirious1d@peoplepc.com> wrote: > Hello, > I want to wish all a Happy St. Patrick's Day. > I was wandering if anyone else wear's black instead of green on St. Patrick's Day? > My father alway's wore the black. He said it because we were Black Irish. > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > _________________________________________ > Before posting please make sure that your post is on topic for this list, that it does not offend anyone. Please see the guidelines http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jasche45133/rules.html > > To contact the list admin send an email to: BLACK-IRISH-admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BLACK-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Did he say why your family was Black Irish? Joan On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Jd Collins <jocowriter@gmail.com> wrote: > And greetings from Rhode Island. > > I'm following a clue my father told me regarding being "Black Irish." The name is DORNEY and apparently hail from Blackrock, Tipperary, Ireland. > > Thank you. > > > > > Sent from my NOOKcolor >
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And greetings from Rhode Island. I'm following a clue my father told me regarding being "Black Irish." The name is DORNEY and apparently hail from Blackrock, Tipperary, Ireland. Thank you. Sent from my NOOKcolor
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In addition to surnames also include specific information regarding your research, including given names, birth/death dates etc. And also let us know how you determined that they were Black Irish? Sincerely, Joan On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 4:17 PM, <Ninajcobb@aol.com> wrote: > What surnames are you looking for in those areas. That will help us a lot. > > > In a message dated 5/20/2010 4:04:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > kris-arbuckle@hotmail.com writes: > > > Hello. Looking for Black Irish ancestors from Buncombe, North Carolina, > Flat Rock, North Carolina, Rutherford County, North Carolina. Possibly > beginning after circa 1780 > > >
What surnames are you looking for in those areas. That will help us a lot. In a message dated 5/20/2010 4:04:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kris-arbuckle@hotmail.com writes: Hello. Looking for Black Irish ancestors from Buncombe, North Carolina, Flat Rock, North Carolina, Rutherford County, North Carolina. Possibly beginning after circa 1780 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:W L:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 _________________________________________ Before posting please make sure that your post is on topic for this list, that it does not offend anyone. Please see the guidelines http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jasche45133/rules.html To contact the list admin send an email to: BLACK-IRISH-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BLACK-IRISH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello. Looking for Black Irish ancestors from Buncombe, North Carolina, Flat Rock, North Carolina, Rutherford County, North Carolina. Possibly beginning after circa 1780 _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1