In a message dated 7/4/00 9:57:22 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Not to the Kiowa....It is celebrated religiously. Also the Kiowa Sundance differs in that there is no self torture or mutilation required. As an adopted Kiowa, hehehehe yep someone adopted me.....lol.. I am planning to the Kiowa Sundance next year. Mike >> where is the sundance held , May Your Waters Run Gentle. Little Hawk.