Hi List, Interested in the Rolls? You can your family surnames & see if your family surnames are located on the Dawes Rolls here: <A HREF="http://www.netmodem.com/dawes/">Dawes Rolls</A> http://www.netmodem.com/dawes/ <A HREF="http://www.msstate.edu/listarchives/afrigeneas/199711/msg00426.html"> Dawes Commission Index 1898-1914 [x-post]</A> http://www.msstate.edu/listarchives/afrigeneas/199711/msg00426.html *Alece, the state of MS that you were asking about is included in this website. blessings Turtle/

Hi List, Here's a must save to your "favorite places" link! <A HREF="http://www.nara.gov/publications/microfilm/amerindians/indians.html"> American Indian Records on Microfilm</A> http://www.nara.gov/publications/microfilm/amerindians/indians.html Blessings, Turtle/

Hi List, Anyone interested in learning more about Alabama History? If so, check this out! <A HREF="http://www.mindspring.com/~rjones/index.html">Alabama History Page</A > http://www.mindspring.com/~rjones/index.html Blessings, Turtle/

Hey List, you gotta check out this website! http://www.YvwiiUsdinvnohii.net/images/syll.htm <A HREF="http://www.YvwiiUsdinvnohii.net/images/syll.htm">"the People's Paths home page!" Cherokee SyllabÉ</A> blessings, turtle/

Does someone want to join the BLACK DUTCH AMERICA website? If so, please send me your first name & last name................ or your first initial & lastname if you donot wish for your first name to be given. BLACK-DUTCH AMERICA website is a private site, membership is required in order to access the site. Thank you. blessings Turtle/

--part1_a0.715c43c.269df397_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/12/00 7:43:47 AM Central Daylight Time, Jhr45 writes: << Subj: Re: [GRANNYS-NA-PANTRY] Fwd: [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] Website Digest Date: 7/12/00 7:43:47 AM Central Daylight Time From: Jhr45 To: HAWKL35 Would you please send the link to the Black Dutch America web site. I accidentally deleted the link in the first email about this site. Thanks, Judy >> Bright Star I am not sure what Site judy is refering May Your Waters Run Gentle. Little Hawk. --part1_a0.715c43c.269df397_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <[email protected]> From: [email protected] Full-name: Jhr45 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:43:47 EDT Subject: Re: [GRANNYS-NA-PANTRY] Fwd: [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] Website Digest To: [email protected] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 108 Would you please send the link to the Black Dutch America web site. I accidentally deleted the link in the first email about this site. Thanks, Judy --part1_a0.715c43c.269df397_boundary--

OH Yes !!!! May Your Waters Run Gentle. Little Hawk.

Hi List, Here's a great place to visit! Black Indians & InterTribal NA's http://www.delphi.com/blkindians/ (1950 New Messages) The best way to keep track of what's going on in your favorite Forums is to visit http://www.myforums.com/ -- see new messages, who's in chat, and personalize your Delphi.com experience Blessings, Turtle/

In a message dated 7/12/0 4:54:36 AM, [email protected] wrote: <<Just a note to invite you to try a genealogy chat--they are different from other chat.......very informative, helpful and friendly. Pick one or two and join us: >> Hi &welcome to the list! I have posted your chat schedules for the list to see every week, glad to have you here! Its always nice to have someone who can offer more genealogy resources. blessings Turtle/

In a message dated 7/12/0 4:02:15 AM, [email protected] wrote: <<I think it's power politics.....a strategic move designed to erode the ability of tribal entites from protecting certain environmental interests. The Republicans are in the pockets of big business...environmentalists are their enemy. malinda >> Great points , thanks for sharing your opinion .......blessings, Turtle/

HUH? The Ancient One is Japanese??? Come on!!! What else are these nutty professors going to come up with next? Elsie === [from Lona. Thanks!] Mon, 10 Jul 2000 http://www.abqjournal.com/scitech/26029scitech05-08-00.htm 'Kennewick Man' DNA in Doubt By John Fleck Journal Staff Writer Newly ordered DNA tests of a controversial 9,000-year-old Washington State skeleton might not settle the question of whether he is related to modern Native Americans, according to University of New Mexico anthropologist Joe Powell. It is not simply that the scientific evidence is insufficient, according to Powell, a member of the scientific team trying to sort out who "Kennewick Man" really is. In the 9,000 years since Kennewick Man died, human populations have evolved, migrated and mixed so that you cannot draw a line of descent from a group of ancient humans to any modern population, Powell said. That mixing of humanity makes our very ideas about racial differences scientifically meaningless, with no genetic basis, according to Powell. The question of who can claim Kennewick Man as their ancestor has become a vexing political and legal issue for the federal government. The bones were found along the banks of the Columbia River near Kennewick, Wash., in 1996. Federal law requires ancient human bones to be repatriated to Native Americans. But initial reports, based on Kennewick Man's bone structure, suggested he might have been of European origin. That complicated the idea of repatriating the remains to the Umatilla Tribe or other area Native American groups. If true, it also would have radically changed scientists' ideas of who the first Americans were, and where they might have come from, because conventional scientific wisdom said Native Americans' ancestors were Asian. After a detailed study ordered by the federal courts, Powell and a group of other scientists concluded last fall that Kennewick Man does not resemble modern Europeans. But detailed analysis of the skeleton's bone structure made it impossible to point to any one modern group as obvious descendants, Powell said. The modern group that Kennewick Man most closely resembles, Powell said, is the Ainu, a group native to the islands of Japan. So the courts ordered a second step. Last week, Powell joined a team of scientists at the University of Washington in Seattle to begin a DNA analysis of Kennewick Man, to see if a genetic link can be drawn between the ancient skeleton and any modern group of humans. DNA has become a powerful tool for anthropologists in recent years. The lengthy molecule carries the genetic detail needed to build a human, from how to make a brain to what color hair the person will have. Slight differences in DNA from one person to the next are the source of humanity's diversity. But trying to use those differences to define racial categories has proven an impossible task, Powell said. There is a tendency for people to want to point to a single ancient group as their ancestors, Powell said, but that ignores the evolutionary changes in humans over the last 15,000 years, and the migration and intermarriage that have blurred groups' boundaries. For example, human groups that migrated toward the tropics 15,000 years ago, after the end of what scientists call the Pleistocene epoch, tended to develop darker skin as a protection against ultraviolet light, he said. It's an example of how similar appearance arose separately in different groups. "At the end of the Pleistocene, races as we know them may not have existed," Powell said. Recent genetic research emphatically supports the view, Powell said. Studies of genetic variety among humans suggest that differences within any given racial group are far more common and widespread than genetic differences between races. Race, Powell said, "is really not a meaningful concept scientifically." The extensive analysis of Kennewick Man has added little new scientific understanding to the question of race and our genetic roots, Powell said. But the publicity surrounding the case has helped raise the issue in the public consciousness, according to Powell

Just a note to invite you to try a genealogy chat--they are different from other chat.......very informative, helpful and friendly. Pick one or two and join us: Wednesday's Schedule: http://huntsville.about.com/mpchat.htm 10-11 am Eastern--CIVIL WAR genealogy......... 1-3 pm Eastern--WESTERN/PACIFIC States genealogy..... 7--pm Eastern--BLACK DUTCH genealogy...... 8 pm Eastern--CANADA genealogy....... 9 pm Eastern--MORGAN family genealogy..... 10 pm Eastern--WWI and WWII genealogy....... Thursday's Chat Schedule: http://huntsville.about.com/mpchat.htm 10-11 am Eastern--All states WEST of the MISSISSIPPI RIVER 1-3 pm Eastern--SOUTHERN STATES genealogy 7 pm Eastern--AFRICAN AMERICAN genealogy 8 pm Eastern--MELUNGEON genealogy 9 pm Eastern--SOUTHERN STATES genealogy 10 pm Eastern--FAMOUS/INFAMOUS ANCESTORS stories Friday's Chat Schedule: http://huntsville.about.com/mpchat.htm 1-3 pm Eastern--MOUNTAIN STATES genealogy 8 pm Eastern--REVOLUTIONARY WAR genealogy 9 pm Eastern--WAR of 1812 genealogy 10-12 pm Eastern--NATIVE AMERICAN genealogy Saturday Chats: 7 pm Eastern--NORTHERN STATES genealogy 8 pm Eastern--SOUTHERN STATES genealogy 9-11 pm Eastern--CIVIL WAR genealogy Sunday Chats: 7 pm Eastern--All Surnames starting with A-J (any state) 8 pm Eastern--All Surnames starting K-Z (any state) 9 pm Eastern--WISCONSIN genealogy 10 pm Eastern--GREAT BRITAIN genealogy Everyone is welcome! If you miss a chat......stop by the forum and post your surname queries or research questions and browse the board for messages of interest to you. Lots of action there. http://about.delphi.com/ab-huntsville If you need instructions for the chat room or the forum, write to me and I'll help you. If you'd like to be on our chat reminder list, let me know. Jean Brandau [email protected]

I think it's power politics.....a strategic move designed to erode the ability of tribal entites from protecting certain environmental interests. The Republicans are in the pockets of big business...environmentalists are their enemy. malinda [email protected] wrote: > Source: KOLA > > Democrats, Indians denounce GOP plan seeking to ban tribal governments > > MICHELLE DeARMOND, Associated Press Writer > > Saturday, July 8, 2000 > > (07-08) 17:25 PDT LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Outraged by a GOP effort in > > Washington state to abolish tribal governments and a threat by one party > > member to use military force against Indians, California Democrats and > > Indians on Saturday passed a resolution denouncing that state party's > > actions. > > The move to abolish tribal governments passed quietly last month > > in the form of a resolution at a Washington state Republican Party > > convention and attracted little attention until just days ago when news of > > it slowly spread through Washington media and an Indian news Web site. > > The resolution calls on the federal government to terminate tribal > > governments as unconstitutional because reservation residents who > > are non-Indian can't vote in tribal elections. > > Tribal governments are self-governing sovereign entities with a > > goverment-to-goverment relationship with the U.S. government. > > The California Democratic Party Native American Caucus passed > > its own resolution Friday denouncing the Washington state GOP's > > resolution, and the general assembly meeting Saturday in Los Angeles > > approved it. It was co-authored by Chairman Art Torres and Frank > > LaMere, a vice chair of the Nebraska Democratic Party and member of the > > Winnebago tribe there. > > ``It is an outrage. I call upon the Republican National Committee to > > publicly repudiate the wayward and blatantly racist actions of the > > Washington Republican party,'' LaMere said. > > ``It is divisive to even speak of turning our military against our own. > > That's what they have done in Washington and they need to be > > ashamed,'' said LaMere, who lost a brother in the Vietnam War. > > LaMere and California tribal leaders are trying to generate support > > from other politicians across the country in denouncing the Washington > > state GOP resolution. A Republican National Committee spokesperson > > did not immediately have a reaction Saturday, but Democrats and > > Republicans alike have said they doubt the Washington resolution would > > make it into the national GOP platform. > > The resolution's main author has said he wants party delegates to try > > to insert a similar measure into the national GOP platform and threatened > > to use the U.S. military to battle any tribes who would fight an abolition > > of their governments. > > Washington GOP officials have been unable to explain how they > > intended to carry out the resolution, and calls left for officials Saturday > > were not immediately returned. The main author of the resolution, John > > Fleming, has been unavailable for further comment. He did not > > immediately return a phone call Saturday. > > Fleming lives within the Swinomish Reservation in Washington, but is a > > non-Indian, and is active in organizations opposing treaty rights. The > > resolution comes amid growing controversy there over reservation rules > > affecting non-Indians, ranging from hunting privileges to liquor sales. > > Despite skepticism that Fleming's resolution has much likelihood of > > getting national support, California Indians don't want to leave anything > > to chance. They already are calling on politicians and writing letters about > > the resolution. > > ``I couldn't believe it that in the year 2000 that this type of racist > > attitude > > was able to get the support,'' said Mary Ann Andreas, Morongo tribal > > chairwoman. ``I would be horrified to find out that these people knew'' > > what they were doing. > > Beth Jensen, chairwoman of the Washington state GOP platform committee, > > has said the Fleming resolution was barely discussed and admitted > > she was unfamiliar with the issue. The committee considered 29 resolutions > > in two hours, and there wasn't time to discuss them, she has said. > > LaMere scoffed at suggestions ignorance might explain the party's actions. > > ``Involvement in the political process and in all those processes that > > govern our lives requires commitment and total attention. If they can't do > > the job right, they should not embark upon the endeavor at all,'' he said. > > ``There was reckless disregard. They can't hide from that fact.'' > > === > > [source: NativeNews; Sun, 09 Jul 2000 12:28:13 -0400] > > GOP Politicians Break With Platform on Tribes > > http://www.yakima-herald.com/cgi-bin/liveique.acgi$rec=13745?home > > Published in the Herald-Republic on Sunday, July 9, 2000 > > By MIKE BARENTI > > YAKIMA HERALD-REPUBLIC > > From state representatives to U.S. Sen. Slade Gorton, there's little > > support from > > local Republican politicians for a state GOP resolution calling for the > > abolition of > > tribal governments. > > "He absolutely disagrees that we should do away with tribal governments," > > Gorton > > spokeswoman Cynthia Bergman said of a platform resolution passed with little > > attention during the GOP's state convention in Spokane last month. > > Tribes have the right to govern their own members, but Gorton doesn't think > > tribes can govern nontribal members living on reservations, she said. > > Other Republicans share Gorton's opposition to the resolution. > > "I don't support it," said state Rep. Barbara Lisk, R-Zillah. It's > > important that the > > United States honor its obligations, including treaties with American > > Indian tribes, > > she said. > > Like many, Lisk said she wasn't aware of the portion of the platform > > calling for > > an end to tribal governments until she read about it in press reports. And > > Lisk > > said she isn't sure how that made it into the state party's platform. > > The resolution's main author was John Fleming, a delegate to the state > > convention from Skagit County, who uses the term "nonrepublican" to describe > > tribal governments. The resolution calls on the federal government to > > "immediately take whatever steps necessary to terminate all such > > nonrepublican > > forms of government on Indian reservations." > > There's always been controversy over treaty interpretation, but it doesn't > > mean > > tribal governments need to be abolished, said state Rep. Bruce Chandler, > > R-Granger. > > "The issues we're facing right now can be resolved within the confines of > > the > > treaty," Chandler said. > > "We are a government of laws," said U.S. Rep. Doc Hastings. > > The possibility of a court fight between the Yakama Nation and the state > > over > > the tribe's plan to ban alcohol on the reservation probably will help > > clarify what > > authority tribal government has over nontribal members, he said. Passed in > > March, the ban takes effect on Sept. 17. The Yakamas say it applies to > > private > > lands owned by nontribal members. > > The courts are there to clarify what are legitimate gray areas of tribal > > authority, > > Hastings said. > > "We obviously have to respect tribal rights and treaty rights," Hastings > > said. > > It's comments like those that make the resolution almost a nonissue for > > Yakama Nation leaders. > > On a scale of one to 10, with one being most important and 10 least > > important, > > the resolution is about a 141Ú2 for Yakama leaders, said Jerry Meninick, > > vice > > chairman of the Yakama Nation Tribal Council. > > "I think the Yakama Nation would be alarmed if that was the voice of the > > United > > States," Meninick said. Instead, the resolution represents the view of a > > small > > group of people that don't have the authority to abolish tribal > > governments, he > > said. > > "What would the reaction be if we attempted to abolish the enabling act of > > Washington state?" asked Meninick, who called the resolution simply an > > attempt > > to play to the interest of groups in conflict with Indian tribes. > > While Republican politicians distanced themselves from the resolution, at > > least > > one group in the Lower Valley is embracing it. The STAND-UP Committee, which > > opposes the Yakama Nation's alcohol ban, and also its attempt to form an > > electric utility and the possibility tribal control of two Columbia River > > dams, wants > > all political parties to include similar language in their platforms, said > > Elaine > > Willman, who has helped organize STAND-UP. The group is nonpartisan, she > > said. > > "We do support the concept of one nation under God," Willman said. > > Programs to help Indians are fine, she said. "Where it goes awry is where > > there's a special population whose benefits come at the direct harm of > > another > > population." > > That's the case with Indian tribes, she said. > > STAND-Up plans to lobby Congress and local politicians on the matter. Tribes > > should become private organizations similar to a nonprofit agency, Willman > > said. > > Washington isn't the only state where groups are calling for an end to > > tribal > > governments, said Deward Walker, an anthropology professor at the University > > of Colorado in Boulder who studies Indian issues, including some involving > > the > > Yakama Nation. > > "They're all over the West," he said. While Congress has the power to > > abolish > > tribal governments and eliminate reservations, that's not something most > > people support, Walker said. > > Federal support for tribal self-government has waxed and waned over the > > years, > > Walker said. In 1934, Congress passed a law helping set up tribal > > governments. > > But in the late 1940s and early 1950s policy shifted into what's sometimes > > called > > the termination era, he said. > > Reservations, such as southern Oregon's Klamath, were done away with and > > Congress passed the Indian Relocation Act, which encouraged Indians to leave > > reservations and move to cities. When John F. Kennedy became president, > > federal policy became friendlier to Indians, Walker said. Policy shifted > > again > > under the Reagan administration, he said. > > "It goes in cycles," Walker said. But there's always some opposition to > > tribal > > governments in certain areas. > > "Some people have the idea that Indians will go away -- they'll become > > interesting > > museum pieces," he said. > > ==== BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA Mailing List ==== > Interested in visiting the BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA-L archives? If so, just go the RootsWeb.com website below: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic/BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA.html > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/

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