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    1. [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] TidBits
    2. "When your life is filled with the desire to see the holiness in everyday life, something magical happens: ordinary life becomes extraordinary, and the very process of life begins to nourish your soul!" --Rabbi Harold Kushner "He who laughs, lasts." --Mary Pettibone Poole "Research is to see what everybody else has seen, and to think what nobody else has thought." --Albert Szent-Gyorgyi

    09/14/2000 06:25:41
    1. [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] MAP
    2. IMPERIAL CIRCLES, ABOUT 1512 (Europe) To view this map, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/reference/maps/freeimages.asp?Ima geID=68

    09/14/2000 06:23:09
    1. [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] Trial Databases
    2. WESTERLY, RHODE ISLAND DIRECTORIES, 1888-90, 1892 Located in the southern corner of Rhode Island, the city of Westerly was formed in 1669 and is a part of Washington County. This database is a transcription of city directories originally published in 1888, 1890, and 1892. In addition to providing the residents' names, it provides their addresses and occupational information. The database includes more than 12,000 names, mostly heads of household. Source Information: Ancestry.com. "Westerly, Rhode Island Directories, 1888-90, 1892." [database online] Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 2000. Original Data: "Westerly, RI, 1888-89." Westerly, RI: Sampson, Murdock & Co., 1888. "Westerly, RI, 1890." Westerly, RI: Sampson, Murdock & Co., 1890. "Westerly, RI, 1892." Westerly, RI: Sampson, Murdock & Co., 1892. To search this database, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/5045.htm This database is also included in the 1890 Census Reconstruction Project and can be searched through its main page at: http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/census/1890sub/main.htm KINGSVILLE, ESSEX DISTRICT, ONTARIO, CANADA CENSUS, 1901 Kingsville was named in 1843 after Colonel James King, the first person to build a house there. This database contains more than 1,500 entries of residents in the census subdistrict of Kingsville (H) in the census district of Essex South (#60) in 1901. It lists the following information for each person: full name, relationship to the head of the household, full date of birth, and birthplace, as well as the year of immigration to Canada (if not Canadian by birth). The database also includes the National Archives film number, division number, page number, and family number to help researchers obtain a copy of the actual record, if desired. Source Information: Hewitt, Doneen, comp. "Kingsville, Essex District, Ontario, Canada Census, 1901." [database online] Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 2000-. Original Data: Government of Canada. "1901 Canada National Census." Canada: Canada National Archives, 1901. To search this database, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/5037.htm PENNSYLVANIA METHODIST CHURCH RECORDS, 1908 The minutes of the Central Pennsylvania Conference of the Methodist Episcopal Church, 40th session, 1908, include 580 directory listings of members, widows of ministers, and a necrology. Listings include residence or station, status in the church, year of widowhood, and place and date of death in the necrologies. Source Information: Cuccinello, Karen, comp. "Pennsylvania Church Records, 1908: Directory of Methodist Episcopal Preachers and Their Widows." [database online] Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 2000-. Original Data: "Central Pennsylvania Conference of the Methodist Episcopal Church, 1908." Harrisburg, PA: Press of the Telegraph Printing Co., 1908. To search this database, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/5038.htm PR NEWSWIRE NAME INDEX, 1998-99 (Update) Source Information: Bell and Howell Information and Learning Company. "PR Newswire Name Index, 1998-99." [database online] Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 2000. Original Data: Electronic newspaper newsfeed service of the Bell and Howell Information and Learning Company. To search this database, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/4076.htm

    09/14/2000 06:22:02
    1. Re: [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] from Curtis : Are you OVERWEIGHT? Well, don't ge...
    2. There is no Fat problem in my family either the thirty pound I put on was after haveing two mager surg, in thirty days of each other and then becomeing a pasted smoker as of the 19th. of this mo, will be >2yr.> so I put on some weight and the DR> said drop it and I have only 15 lbs. ti go and I have till the week of the 19th. to do it so I am prety sure I will make the gole he set for me I am on the sugarbuster diet, and had to stop walking for now but the pool helps me get in some exersize, and the weight is ony 15 more lbs to go that may not seem like much but on my little frame it is, May your Waters Run Gentle, With Love Care And Concern, Alece, Little Hawk,

    09/14/2000 04:42:18
    1. [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] HARPER/LOONEY/LITTLEFOOT
    2. Jerry & Chris Thiessen
    3. I am new to the list and would like to find more about the meaning of the term BLACK DUTCH. My grandfather Harper was known to be Black Dutch. His grandmother Anny Littlefoot Looney was said to be Chickasaw from Eastern Tennessee. Could this be the reason for him being referred to as Black Dutch? Appreciate any insight. Chris

    09/14/2000 04:11:04
    1. [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] Slavery links
    2. <A HREF="http://www.ilt.columbia.edu/k12/history/blacks/dunmore.html">Click here: http://www.ilt.columbia.edu/k12/history/blacks/dunmore.html</A> Dunmore's Proclamation British proclamation concerning colonists aiding and abetting rebels and declaring free all indentured servants and slaves willing to join the British military. http://www.ilt.columbia.edu/k12/history/blacks/dunmore.... <A HREF="http://search.aol.com/redirect.adp?appname=QBP&query=%e9%2e%57%e3%32%05% 15%bd%4b%ee%dc%01%ce%ff%a0%0d%93%fa%cd%a0%17%8e%be%74%ec%af%cb%28%60%2d%ba%8e% 55%08%60%58%3a%3f%e8%6d%99%3c%ce%1b%e3%18%a9%bf%a5%7b%b5%65%40%2c%b6%8f%9b%dc% 8e%8e%2a%43%61%90%b6%b2%49%a6%3b%0d%46%85%01%9f%67%71%35%d9%59%62%cd%a0%6f%99% fe%e6%03%1b%3e%e9%07%7e%ad%19%b1%1c%98%b8%18%51%31%c5%e5%b6%fd%ac%1e%18%65%b2% ff%b6%8e%ac%21%53%4d%87%df%1d%db%86%9a%c8%10%19%00%75">Click here: intro</A> intro intro THE SEVENTEENTH CENTURY NEW PATTERNS INTRODUCTION This chapter provides an overview of the seventeenth century successes of English and French dominated colonies, once they discarded Spanish methods and attempted to find their own. http://www.ucalgary.ca/HIST/tutor/colony/17plant.html Slavery or Indentured Servitude <A HREF="http://search.aol.com/redirect.adp?appname=QBP&query=%e9%2e%57%e3%32%05% 15%bd%4b%ee%dc%01%ce%ff%a0%0d%93%fa%cd%a0%17%8e%be%74%7b%30%59%5d%d6%9c%61%03% 47%14%aa%7d%c8%f1%da%1d%49%8b%9c%6e%23%82%5a%42%24%26%ac%49%ad%8c%d2%41%34%3d% d4%29%4f%9c%2c%a9%46%e7%57%de%5d%a6%84%58%ff%1f%e4%74%69%6b%4b%49%68%74%32%0c% 9a%9f%14%8d%31%19%4c%0a%31%c0%19%94%ae%be%54%c1%25%c8%67%35%15%f4%dc%37%4b%9c% b6%b0%28%30%8b%b2%ec%3e%04%13">Click here: Securing the Leg Irons: Restriction of Legal Rights for Slaves in Virginia and Maryland, 1625 - 1791 - The Early A</A> Securing the Leg Irons: Restriction of Legal Rights for Slaves Slavery in early America's colonies (1625-1791). 'Seeds of Servitude Rooted in The Civil Law of Rome', by Charles P.M. Outwin. http://earlyamerica.com/review/winter96/slavery.html <A HREF="http://encarta.msn.com/index/conciseindex/AC/0AC66000.htm?z=1&pg=2&br=1" >Click here: Slavery in the United States, an Encarta Encyclopedia Article Titled "Slavery in the United States"</A> Slavery in the United States (Encarta® Concise Encyclopedia Article) http://encarta.msn.com/index/conciseindex/AC/0AC66000.h... <A HREF="http://www.lampstras.k12.pa.us/mmeylin/teams/king/Schreck/Units/Unit-Fou r.html">Click here: British Colonial Society</A> British Colonial Society British Colonial Society Unit Four Life in British America 1700 54 Between 1700 and 1754, nearly 200,000 European immigrants left their homelands for a new start in British America. http://www.lampstras.k12.pa.us/mmeylin/teams/king/Schre... <A HREF="http://www.stratfordhall.org/ed-servants.htm">Click here: Indentured Servants and Transported Convicts</A> Indentured Servants and Transported Convicts Stratford Hall history resource offers an article about indentured servants in colonial America and offers recommended reading. http://www.stratfordhall.org/ed-servants.htm <A HREF="http://www.econ.utah.edu/philips/econ310/week1274/tsld026.htm">Click here: Indentured Servants and Transported Convicts</A> Indentured Servants and Transported Convicts Indentured Servants and Transported Convicts Indentured Servants and Transported Convicts Growth of markets and upper class desire for luxury items led to monetization of peasant obligations and enclosure of lands Enclosure of lands forced peasantr http://www.econ.utah.edu/philips/econ310/week <A HREF="http://www.cwc.lsu.edu/cwc/links/slave.htm">Click here: U.S. Civil War Center -- Civil War Information 2</A> U.S. Civil War Center -- Civil War Information 2 Louisiana State Univ.'s Internet guide on the Civil War includes a section of links devoted to slavery and the abolition movement. http://www.cwc.lsu.edu/cwc/links/slave.htm <A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/tx2/ecc/change.html">Click here: Chains to Change: Learning Community, Sociology & History 1301</A> Chains to Change: Learning Community, Sociology & History 1301 Chains to Change: Learning Community, Sociology & History 1301 El Centro College Presents CHAINS TO CHANGE An Exploration of Culture & Society A Learning Community for History 1301 and Sociology 1301 See our new Learning Community for History 1302 http://angelfire.lycos.com/tx2/ecc/change.htm <A HREF="http://www.belizenet.com/history/chap4.html">Click here: History of Belize - Chapter 4</A> History of Belize - Chapter 4 History of Belize - Chapter 4 Table of Contents Part One: Colonialism in Belize First People of the Americas European Rivalries in the Caribbean The Spanish and British in Belize Slavery and the Slave Trade Slavery in Belize Part Two: Dependent Beli http://www.belizenet.com/history/chap4.html <A HREF="http://www.hemet.klever.net/~twosocks/england.html">Click here: English Roots</A> English Roots English Roots English Roots Welcome to English Roots, most families in the United States who are able to trace their roots back into the colonies during the 1600's will find they have roots in England. The first immigrants --- the ones who stepped http://www.hemet.klever.net/~twosocks/england <A HREF="http://sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us/clayton/px002c.txt">Click here: http://sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us/clayton/px002c.txt</A> PASSENGERS A http://sparc.hpl.lib.tx.us/clayton/px002c.txt <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com:0080/Athens/Acropolis/2691/COS.html">Click here: CHRONOLOGY OF SLAVERY</A> CHRONOLOGY OF SLAVERY CHRONOLOGY OF SLAVERY C HRONOLOGY OF S LAVERY © by R ICHARD E. I RBY, J R. February 23, 1994 PART I Normans and Venetians produced sugar on Cyprus, Crete and Sicily between 1200 A.D. and 1500 A.D. using primarily white slaves. Sugar production in t http://www.geocities.com:0080/Athens/Acropoli <A HREF="http://www.abqgen.swnet.com/article8.htm">Click here: Subject: Indentured Servants</A> Subject: Indentured Servants Subject: Indentured Servants From the February 1999 Issue -- INDENTURED SERVANTS by Karen Mullian The institution was not considered inhumane - many of our Quaker ancestors came to Pennsylvania and other colonies as indentured servants http://www.abqgen.swnet.com/article8.htm <A HREF="http://www.tcr.org/jeffersonliberty.html">Click here: The Concord Review: Sample Essays</A> The Concord Review: Sample Essays The Concord Review: Sample Essays THE APOSTLE OF LIBERTY: THOMAS JEFFERSON, SLAVE HOLDER AND AUTHOR OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE: HIS STAND ON SLAVERY IN LIGHT OF PHILOSOPHICAL, LEGAL, POLITICAL, AND SOCIOECONOMIC CLIMATE OF HIS TIMES Lisa Ho http://www.tcr.org/jeffersonliberty.html <A HREF="http://www.ibiblio.org/docsouth/edwardsc/edwards.html">Click here: S. J. Celestine Edwards. From Slavery To a Bishopric, or, The Life of Bishop Walter Hawkins of The British Methodi</A> S. J. Celestine Edwards. From Slavery To a Bishopric, or, The Life of Bishop Walter Hawki Browse an account of Walter Hawkins, a former slave who eventually became a bishop in Canada. Includes images from the original publication. http://metalab.unc.edu/docsouth/edwardsc/edwa <A HREF="http://www.brightok.net/~klm/mbrights02.htm#_1_53">Click here: My Brothers Rights</A> My Brothers Rights My Brothers Rights MY BROTHER'S RIGHTS? Part Two BY Ivan Vivian Poulter Table of Contents Part One PART TWO CHRISTIAN INVOLVEMENT IN TRANSATLANTIC SLAVERY THE CATHOLIC PORTUGUESE. | The Capture Without Mercy of the Innocent | THE ANGLICAN BRITISH http://www.brightok.net/~klm/mbrights02.htm Bright Star

    09/13/2000 08:35:04
    1. [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] New
    2. > <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5121/melungeon.htm">Click here: The > Patrin Web Journal - Wayfaring Stranger</A> > http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5121/melungeon.htm Bright Star

    09/13/2000 08:08:43
    1. [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] Thursday/Friday Chats
    2. Dear Chatters: Don't miss your one opportunity to chat about your WEST VIRGINIA ancestors tonight! Be sure and invite others who might be interested........ Thursday's Chat Schedule: http://huntsville.about.com/mpchat.htm 10-11 am Eastern--All states WEST of the MISSISSIPPI RIVER 1-3 pm Eastern--SOUTHERN STATES genealogy 7 pm Eastern--RICHARDSON surname 8 pm Eastern--MELUNGEON genealogy (last one) 9 pm Eastern--SOUTHERN STATES genealogy 10 pm Eastern--Featured State: WEST VIRGINIA genealogy (one time only) Friday's Chat Schedule: http://huntsville.about.com/mpchat.htm (subtract 1 hr. for Central Time, 2 hrs. for Mt.; 3 hours for Pacific Time) 1-3 pm Eastern--MOUNTAIN STATES genealogy 8 pm Eastern--LAWSON surname 9 pm Eastern--WAR of 1812 genealogy 10-12 pm Eastern--NATIVE AMERICAN genealogy We've had 327 visitors to the forum the last two days and 22 new messages posted--so make sure you check it out! http://forums.about.com/ab-huntsville If you need instructions, just let me know. Also, if you've visited the chat room a few times and feel comfortable in hosting/greeting and would like to volunteer your help, send me an email! Jean Brandau About Guide to Huntsville AL http://huntsville.about.com email: huntsville.guide@about.com forum: http://forums.about.com/ab-huntsville chat: http://huntsville.about.com/mpchat.htm

    09/13/2000 06:58:04
    1. Re: [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] from Curtis : Are you OVERWEIGHT? Well, don't get mad at me!
    2. In a message dated 9/14/0 12:39:48 AM, friend9@pacbell.net wrote: <<I don't know how you -- OR ANY ONE ELSE ON THE LIST -- looks. So, again, don;t shoot the messenger. Okay?? >> My family members are tall & the men are quite naturally muscular and the women are also naturally formed pretty well. We are long legged, long armed, long hands with piano fingers, big part of us gals are the bootays! lol.......thats the weight prob there in my genes...hehehe My dad's family grew up with real churned butter and homemade biscuits with real molasses. they hunted their food such as deer the most leanest meat you can eat and lived off the land, they farmed. they grew up actually under weight and never became obeist. later in life they put on weight due to age and metabolism slowing down, which is normal and these are Cherokee people coming from two cherokee parents with the term black dutch thrown in & some thin line of irish/scott blood back long ago & those blood lines ran out by the time they were all born. The prob my family members in the south is the high blood pressure , where the siblings her in CA don't have the high blood pressure ........a nice gene I've inheritated is the low blood pressure, they can't find it most the time and the women who have high blood pressure here in the north have it due to medications that were given to them for menopause that caused their pressure to rise up.... this is my family characteristics due to food/genetics makeup........ blessings, Sali (Turtle)

    09/13/2000 06:51:06
    1. Re: [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] from Curtis: Some search engines and two neat sites
    2. In a message dated 9/14/00 12:14:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, friend9@pacbell.net writes: << Here are the search engines that failed to go through the List software right, yesterday. >> Thank You Curtis, I will check them out. Bright Star

    09/13/2000 06:24:23
    1. Re: [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] WOOPS Forgot to send to Reply All
    2. Alece, sounds like a Thanksgiving to always remember & surely always cherrish. I want to hear all about it afterwards k! luvya! Turtle/

    09/13/2000 05:23:57
    1. [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] from Curtis: Some search engines and two neat sites
    2. friend9
    3. Here are the search engines that failed to go through the List software right, yesterday. Curtis http://searcheurope.com/ http://www.go.com/ http://www.web-search.com/ http://wwws.elibrary.com/id/2525/ http://www.lycos.com/ http://hotbot.lycos.com/ http://www3.galaxy.com/galaxy.html http://www.search.com/ http://www.metacrawler.com/index.html http://www.excite.com/ An interesting site: http://www.webcom.com/~intvoice/ by and about mixed race people in America and some links from this on-line e-zine: http://www.webcom.com/~intvoice/add_site.html A site with a quick-and-dirty overview od what Melungeon means: http://www.forteantimes.com/artic/106/melung.html [a couple of Yellow pages searchers: http://www.bigbook.com/ and http://superpages.gte.net/ ]

    09/13/2000 03:09:34
    1. [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] Check out Translation of German surnames
    2. <A HREF="http://www.global2000.net/fortklock/translation.htm">Click here: Translation of German surnames</A> May your Waters Run Gentle, With Love Care And Concern, Alece, Little Hawk,

    09/13/2000 02:13:48
    1. [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] Check out p0
    2. <A HREF="http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?aipn:21:./temp/~ammem_cAw8::"> Click here: p0</A> May your Waters Run Gentle, With Love Care And Concern, Alece, Little Hawk,

    09/13/2000 02:10:57
    1. [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] Check out Search Results
    2. <A HREF="http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/S?ammem/aipn:@FIELD(SUBJ+@band(+coas t+salish+indians+))">Click here: Search Results</A> May your Waters Run Gentle, With Love Care And Concern, Alece, Little Hawk,

    09/13/2000 02:09:51
    1. [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] Check out http://www.spatial.maine.edu/tempe/madsen.html
    2. <A HREF="http://www.spatial.maine.edu/tempe/madsen.html">Click here: http://www.spatial.maine.edu/tempe/madsen.html</A> May your Waters Run Gentle, With Love Care And Concern, Alece, Little Hawk,

    09/13/2000 01:40:17
    1. [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] from Curtis : Are you OVERWEIGHT? Well, don't get mad at me!
    2. friend9
    3. I don't know how you -- OR ANY ONE ELSE ON THE LIST -- looks. So, again, don;t shoot the messenger. Okay?? And you KNOW I have never made a foray into Nancy and other's medical / physical characteristic realm. But I have to make this suggestion. [Drum roll, please . . . . . . . . .] Are you obese? Okay, fat? Chunky? Heavy? On the portly side? Choose your own euphemism. I fight it. And the women on my Dad's side are beset with weight roblems. -- their Collins's. Why am I bringing up this (probably) painful subject? There is a LOT of evidence that modern-day Native Americans, Native Alaskans, Native Hawaiians, Samoans, Fijians -- and lots of other Native people -- are absolutely plagued with obesity. And, in fact, that it is a latter-day "mark" of their native heritage. How so? Because those cultures led a very "feast & famine" lifestyle--loading up on food when they had it, and then trying to survive the lean periods till the picking and hunting went back on line. Consequently, their metabolism developed the ability to very SLOWLY pull out nutrients from fat, enabling them to last the harsh winter -- and enabling mothers to give nutritious milk, etc. With the advent of European foods [including butter, lots of carbs, fats, and alcohol], as well as their three-meals-a-day eating patterns, Native people were grossly affected [no pun intended. . . . Well . . . .] There is a lot of rigorous scientific evidence of this being true. I am NOT trying to get myself flamed by a lot of sweet Melungeon ladies on the Weight Watchers' program,. in fact, I have NO way of knowing whether or not any of you might be a we bit on the Reubenesque side. But I'm GUESSING that if you are Black Dutch or if your Melungeon heritage includes native people that you MIGHT be able to relate to what I'm saying. that is, you MAY have inherited an ancient metabolic pattern that was great for your hunter-gatherer ancestors -- but which has been playing havoc with the weight and related health of your own and your Mom's and Aunt's and daughters [and the men, as well, of course]. Also note that Black folk in America suffer from certain dietary problems that, while not necessary unique to that group, are somewhat more prominent in that group. For example, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, and diabetes. You CAN make the argument that that is ALL due to the diet within the African American culture. But IS it? If their ancestors lived in Africa for thousands of years, and if they only came here to mix with the Europeans in the last 350 years, then isn't it conceivable that there MIGHT be some diet-related health problems among Melungeons that harken back to the fact that Africans and European eating patterns were so different? --In Africa and Europe, not to mention on the plantations [but I doubt that lasted long enough for the whole culture to be affected with some kind of microevolutionary change in metabolism]. Just a thought! Oh . . . in case you don't believe me, read this on INDIANS: "Potential contributors: The causes of obesity are complex and include cultural, familial, and genetic factors. Studies of energy expenditure among the Pima Indians suggest that a low metabolic rate contributes to the familial aggregation of obesity in man (Bogardus, Lillioja, Ravussin 1990). In addition, there may be multiple metabolic differences between Indians and non-Indians that may predispose Native Americans to become obese when food is abundant. Neel's thrifty-gene hypothesis in 1962 suggested that obesity results from the introduction of a continuous and ample food supply to people who have evolved an ability to store energy efficiently, permitting survival through millennia of feast-famine cycles (Neel 1962). Since obesity may have multiple possible determinants, it is unclear whether the primary defect is genetic, environmental, or an interaction between the two" (Howard et al. 1991). Howard BV, Bogardus C, Ravussin E, et al. Studies of the etiology of obesity in Pima Indians. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 53:1577S-85S, 1991. And read this on AFRICAN AMERICANS: "Genetic Risk Factors The common finding that "diabetes runs in families" indicates that there is a strong genetic component to type 1 and type 2 diabetes. Many scientists are now conducting research to determine the genes that cause diabetes. For type 1 diabetes, certain genes related to immunology have been implicated. For type 2 diabetes, there seem to be diabetes genes that determine insulin secretion and insulin resistance. Some researchers believe that African Americans inherited a "thrifty gene" from their African ancestors. Years ago, this gene enabled Africans, during "feast and famine" cycles, to use food energy more efficiently when food was scarce. Today, with fewer such cycles, the thrifty gene that developed for survival may instead make the person more susceptible to developing type 2 diabetes." NIH Publication No. 98-3266 ; August 1998 ; e-text updated: 20 September 1998 see: http://www.niddk.nih.gov/health/diabetes/pubs/afam/afam.htm#3 . . . and then check out these sites: Feast & Famine metabolism: http://www.heartinfo.org/reutersnews/t0728-4f.htm this one is about our PETS, but the idea is the same: They used to have to hunt -- and had slim pickin's some months. Now they lounge around eating treats and watching the soaps (with us), and GET FAT! That ain't healthy! http://www.netpets.com/cats/reference/food/obesity.html "Obesity 101" http://www.obesity-101.com/101-1.htm http://www.cma.ca/cmaj/vol-155/issue-11/1569.htm [Canadian site, but states it well--and there's more in English below the French part] http://www.uic.edu/depts/idhd/ced/text/nativetxt.htm [ a sad commentary on the affect of European society's ways on Native people] http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/canusa/papers/usa/english/indigen.htm http://www.4woman.gov/owh/pub/woc/native.htm [This one includes Native Hawaiians] http://www.azcc.arizona.edu/in_print/N_Summer2000/n_Native_american.htm [^^ includes good photo of elderly Native American lady] Indian obesity: http://www.cyfc.umn.edu/Diversity/nativeamer.html http://www.nlm.nih.gov/pubs/cbm/amindhlt.html [<<search this one with EDIT, FIND on this page), looking for weight, and metabolism http://grants.nih.gov/grants/guide/rfa-files/RFA-NIH-92-HL-008-P.html http://www.4woman.gov/faq/Easyread/native_american-etr.htm http://www.obesity.org/Obesity_Youth.htm http://sun3.lib.uci.edu/~m2martin/bibliography.html http://www.nicoa.org/biblio.htm Black Obesity: http://www.stockton-press.co.uk/server-java/Propub/stockton/spijo_v24_n1_p4_ o1.fulltext http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/69dc6.htm http://www.ag.ohio-state.edu/~ohioline/ss-fact/0172.html http://www.blackhealthcare.com/BHC/Diabetes/Description.asp SOME GOOD NEWS, too: Chinese Green Tea as a true health tonic: http://www.azcc.arizona.edu/in_print/N_Summer2000/n_green_tea.htm THIS IS OF REAL BLACK DUTCH & MELUNGEON INTEREST: http://www.naturalhealthvillage.com/reports/rpt2oam/herb.htm concerning herbal medicine, see section on "in America" that starts with material on Indian herbal medicines. Another: http://www.elixir.net/RRFiles/RR_nih-1f-herbal.html So, anyway, hope you won't hold it against me. It's my "feast-or-famine" blood, too! Curtis

    09/13/2000 12:30:57
    1. [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] Check out TALES OF THE OLD ONE
    2. <A HREF="http://community-1.webtv.net/ZicaHota/TALESOFTHEOLDONE/page6.html">C lick here: TALES OF THE OLD ONE</A> May your Waters Run Gentle, With Love Care And Concern, Alece, Little Hawk,

    09/13/2000 09:50:09
    1. [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] Check out TALES OF THE OLD ONE
    2. <A HREF="http://community-1.webtv.net/ZicaHota/TALESOFTHEOLDONE/page2.html">C lick here: TALES OF THE OLD ONE</A> May your Waters Run Gentle, With Love Care And Concern, Alece, Little Hawk,

    09/13/2000 09:47:07
    1. [BLACK-DUTCH-AMERICA] WOOPS Forgot to send to Reply All
    2. In a message dated 9/13/00 12:49:51 PM Central Daylight Time, Tsalagi02@aol.com writes: << <<Reservation of Porch Creek its the closet reservation to me and they have a POW Wow on Thanksgiving Day >> Yes Alece, that's the best to do on Thanksgiving! We have a Ceremony on ALCATRAZ in San Francisco, CA every Thanksgiving Day at Sunrise! You go girl! blessings, Sali...... >> The whole thing is Every Thanksgiving We Cook A big meal every body comes and this is great I like seeing every one but after dinner we all sit back the ones of us that ant looking for some kind of seltzer to settle our stomach, Belching and stretched out any place we can find a place, watch football keep up with the kids, and then when the last touchdown has been made they all go home and then I am gave slap out from all that cooking and lay down and try to figure out what am I really Thankful for the fact that every one is out of my house and the dishes are done, Nope thetas not what I wont this year I wont to go out and experience a real Thanksgiving, I wont to be Truly Thankful, so I am going to Tell them all what our plans are and if they wont to go along then we will see them there, LOL They are gona Have an attack, LOL May your Waters Run Gentle, With Love Care And Concern, Alece, Little Hawk,

    09/13/2000 09:06:35