Jim D., Are you specifically selecting people, or are you selecting the whole file? If you select the entire file I would expect the export to be correct because it has to export all of the linkages between all of the records selected -- and you have selected all records. That would force the secondary parents to create a family with the person's number in that family. However, if the records are selectively chosen as, for example, the ancestors of a person, it seems possible -- in fact likely -- that the secondary parents may not be selected. The logic used in creating a tree, for example, selects only the primary parents; not the secondary. In fact, I do not know a way to force the showing of secondary parents on any ancestor-like report. Try to re-create my little 2-generation test and let me know the results. Jim R (of course the latest version of BK may have fixed the problem. I am not running it and so have not tested it.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Dell To: bk@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [BK] Natural parents and foster parents Max, I hate to disagree in my BK 6.5.6 version of BK the following is generated 0 @I2245@ INDI Items deleted and not necessary for this discussion 1 FAMC @F699@ 1 FAMC @F613@ 1 ADOP 2 FAMC @F699@ As you can see he is assigned to two different families. If you search the GEDCOM for @F613@ you'll find 0 @F613@ FAM 1 HUSB @I1732@ 1 WIFE @I1750@ 1 CHIL @I2245@ 1 CHIL @I2246@ 1 CHIL @I2247@ If you search of @F699@ you'll find 0 @F699@ FAM 1 HUSB @I2244@ 1 WIFE @I1728@ 1 CHIL @I2245@ 2 _FREL Adopted 2 _MREL Adopted 1 CHIL @I2246@ 2 _FREL Adopted 2 _MREL Adopted 1 CHIL @I2247@ 2 _FREL Adopted 2 _MREL Adopted So I am saying, at least with my copy of BK it's doing it correctly. And I just checked it imports both sets of parents into FTM 2012. Jim -----Original Message----- From: bk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Max van Dam Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 7:08 PM To: bk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BK] Natural parents and foster parents Thanks Jim. For this moment I think also that there is a problem in BK. With my best regards, Max van Dam Rechovot Israel http://www.maxvandam.info/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Ramaley To: bk@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [BK] Natural parents and foster parents Max, I do not have the latest version, but It is very easy to see if it is a problem with BK. 1. Choose any person with two sets of persons; say it is person #1. 2. In the Gedcom export dialog box, click "Selected People" 3. In the number of generations, put 2. 4. In the "Select the people to copy to the Gedcom file", click "Ancestors of a person" 5. In the Select person" box, put the number of the person with two sets of parents: in my example, #1 6. If both sets of parents were actually selected, the next screen (actually the "Select the people..." again) would show 5 people selected -- the person with 2 parents and both sets of parents (if they are all distinct). In the version I am using, only 3 people are selected. You have brought up a serious question. Jim R Gettysburg, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: Max van Dam To: bk@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [BK] Natural parents and foster parents Dear Otto, I work with BK 6.5.6 I did indeed the steps as you mentioned. I have made a gedcom starting by myself and a gedcom starting with my mother. In these gedcoms I miss my fosterparents. If I make a gedcom starting with my foster-parents than I miss my natural parents. I had hoped to see something like two marriages. I'm not sure that it is not a problem in BK. With my best regards, Max van Dam Rechovot Israel http://www.maxvandam.info/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Otto Jørgensen To: bk@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [BK] Natural parents and foster parents On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 21:35:11 +0200, "Max van Dam" <vandam@actcom.co.il> wrote: >I need your help. > >After WO II I was an orphan. After WO II I have had foster parents. >They have treated me as their own son, but did not adopt me >afficially. > >I have now the following problem. > >It is no problem in BK to connect both parents families to me, but if I make >a gedcom and bring that to the program to the program which I use to >publish my database, I see than only the connection between my >foster-parents and me. > >For this moment I do not know in which program is the problem either BK > or HUMO-gen that I use for my site. > >Can somebody tell me is there an official gedcom code for foster parents? > I believe you use latest versikon of BK I believe you have added you as foster to Your Fosterparents and that you also have marked the bilogical parents as BK tells you. You can then make a short gedcom from BK and open if in Notepad and see that you have "all parents" in the Gedcom file. I believe the problem is in the program you use to present the result, not BK. You can see a report in BK where it says who is your bilogical parents and who are your fosterparents -- Otto Jørgensen http://www.bkwin.info/ All email is checked by NORTON Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Jim R. Yes I am exporting the whole file. On reports it shows depending upon where you start, it won't show both sets in the same register report unless they have a common ancestor like in one of my cases where the sister & her husband adopted her brothers children. But I never use the ancestry report, I always use the descendants register. Jim -----Original Message----- From: bk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ramaley Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:30 PM To: bk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BK] Natural parents and foster parents Jim D., Are you specifically selecting people, or are you selecting the whole file? If you select the entire file I would expect the export to be correct because it has to export all of the linkages between all of the records selected -- and you have selected all records. That would force the secondary parents to create a family with the person's number in that family. However, if the records are selectively chosen as, for example, the ancestors of a person, it seems possible -- in fact likely -- that the secondary parents may not be selected. The logic used in creating a tree, for example, selects only the primary parents; not the secondary. In fact, I do not know a way to force the showing of secondary parents on any ancestor-like report. Try to re-create my little 2-generation test and let me know the results. Jim R (of course the latest version of BK may have fixed the problem. I am not running it and so have not tested it.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Dell To: bk@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [BK] Natural parents and foster parents Max, I hate to disagree in my BK 6.5.6 version of BK the following is generated 0 @I2245@ INDI Items deleted and not necessary for this discussion 1 FAMC @F699@ 1 FAMC @F613@ 1 ADOP 2 FAMC @F699@ As you can see he is assigned to two different families. If you search the GEDCOM for @F613@ you'll find 0 @F613@ FAM 1 HUSB @I1732@ 1 WIFE @I1750@ 1 CHIL @I2245@ 1 CHIL @I2246@ 1 CHIL @I2247@ If you search of @F699@ you'll find 0 @F699@ FAM 1 HUSB @I2244@ 1 WIFE @I1728@ 1 CHIL @I2245@ 2 _FREL Adopted 2 _MREL Adopted 1 CHIL @I2246@ 2 _FREL Adopted 2 _MREL Adopted 1 CHIL @I2247@ 2 _FREL Adopted 2 _MREL Adopted So I am saying, at least with my copy of BK it's doing it correctly. And I just checked it imports both sets of parents into FTM 2012. Jim -----Original Message----- From: bk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Max van Dam Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 7:08 PM To: bk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BK] Natural parents and foster parents Thanks Jim. For this moment I think also that there is a problem in BK. With my best regards, Max van Dam Rechovot Israel http://www.maxvandam.info/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Ramaley To: bk@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [BK] Natural parents and foster parents Max, I do not have the latest version, but It is very easy to see if it is a problem with BK. 1. Choose any person with two sets of persons; say it is person #1. 2. In the Gedcom export dialog box, click "Selected People" 3. In the number of generations, put 2. 4. In the "Select the people to copy to the Gedcom file", click "Ancestors of a person" 5. In the Select person" box, put the number of the person with two sets of parents: in my example, #1 6. If both sets of parents were actually selected, the next screen (actually the "Select the people..." again) would show 5 people selected -- the person with 2 parents and both sets of parents (if they are all distinct). In the version I am using, only 3 people are selected. You have brought up a serious question. Jim R Gettysburg, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: Max van Dam To: bk@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [BK] Natural parents and foster parents Dear Otto, I work with BK 6.5.6 I did indeed the steps as you mentioned. I have made a gedcom starting by myself and a gedcom starting with my mother. In these gedcoms I miss my fosterparents. If I make a gedcom starting with my foster-parents than I miss my natural parents. I had hoped to see something like two marriages. I'm not sure that it is not a problem in BK. With my best regards, Max van Dam Rechovot Israel http://www.maxvandam.info/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Otto Jørgensen To: bk@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [BK] Natural parents and foster parents On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 21:35:11 +0200, "Max van Dam" <vandam@actcom.co.il> wrote: >I need your help. > >After WO II I was an orphan. After WO II I have had foster parents. >They have treated me as their own son, but did not adopt me >afficially. > >I have now the following problem. > >It is no problem in BK to connect both parents families to me, but if I make >a gedcom and bring that to the program to the program which I use to >publish my database, I see than only the connection between my >foster-parents and me. > >For this moment I do not know in which program is the problem either BK > or HUMO-gen that I use for my site. > >Can somebody tell me is there an official gedcom code for foster parents? > I believe you use latest versikon of BK I believe you have added you as foster to Your Fosterparents and that you also have marked the bilogical parents as BK tells you. You can then make a short gedcom from BK and open if in Notepad and see that you have "all parents" in the Gedcom file. I believe the problem is in the program you use to present the result, not BK. You can see a report in BK where it says who is your bilogical parents and who are your fosterparents -- Otto Jørgensen http://www.bkwin.info/ All email is checked by NORTON Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message