I touched on this topic in a post in March 2017 but I keep running into real life situations that beg for a solution. The question: Is there an easy way to show all siblings from an input screen (i.e., not as a report)? Just as a person can be a child in more than 2 families, many people have siblings other than full or even half -- that is, they are in families in which no natural parent is present. The standard definitions are: 1. Siblings share both parents, 2. half-sibs share one parent, 3. step sibs share no parents although some people do not distinguish between half sibs and step-sibs. Real example from today's email: Family group 1 consists of parents George & Judy and children George Jr. and Michael. George & Judy divorce with George marrying Karen, creating Family Group 2, and Judy marring Tom, creating family group 3. George Jr. is now in three family groups but BK does not allow this and so the arrangement must be discussed in the notes, To add a fairly typical condition, suppose Karen had a child, Katti, from a previous marriage to Alan and that George & Karen become the parents of a child Tim. When the dust settles we have: George Jr is: (1) the natural child of George & Judy (2) the step-child of Karen (who married George) (3) the step-child of Tom (who married Judy) (4) the half-sib of Tim (who is a child of George & Karen) (5) the step-sib of Katti (who is the dau of Karen & Alan) (6) the full-sib of Michael. In normal parlance, and in obituaries, the technical distinctions are often omitted: George Jr is often shown simply to have sibs Michael, Tim & Kattie. The question is, can this be displayed on the screen when one is looking at a family group? The answer is yes but it requires programming and the "two-family" limit would have to be eliminated . One needs to look at all families in which one of the principles (child, father, or mother) is present. But there are complexities and consideration would have to be given as to exactly who the user is looking at; that is, are you looking at George Jr's family group (three groups! in which case you have sibs, half-sibs, and step-sibs), or George Sr (two groups in which you have natural children & step children), etc. One might argue that the issue could be resolved by declaring that a step-parent is only the one who marries the custodial parent, but in the era of joint custody even this idea fails. Especially if the natural parent marries a second time after the death of the first step-parent. Again, these are real situations. But I do wish for a solution.

In message <CAKqTvt-oVuxpTPvtu+ti66BVua50KHduV2ctqfQN4eFzXcUaZw@mail.gmail.com>, Jim Ramaley <james.ramaley@gmail.com> writes: >I touched on this topic in a post in March 2017 but I keep running into >real life situations that beg for a solution. > >The question: Is there an easy way to show all siblings from an input >screen (i.e., not as a report)? > >Just as a person can be a child in more than 2 families, many people have >siblings other than full or even half -- that is, they are in families in >which no natural parent is present. The standard definitions are: > 1. Siblings share both parents, > 2. half-sibs share one parent, > 3. step sibs share no parents although some people do not distinguish >between half sibs and step-sibs. > >Real example from today's email: > >Family group 1 consists of parents George & Judy and children George Jr. >and Michael. George & Judy divorce with George marrying Karen, creating >Family Group 2, and Judy marring Tom, creating family group 3. > >George Jr. is now in three family groups but BK does not allow this and so >the arrangement must be discussed in the notes, > >To add a fairly typical condition, suppose Karen had a child, Katti, from a >previous marriage to Alan and that George & Karen become the parents of a >child Tim. > >When the dust settles we have: >George Jr is: > (1) the natural child of George & Judy > (2) the step-child of Karen (who married George) > (3) the step-child of Tom (who married Judy) > (4) the half-sib of Tim (who is a child of George & Karen) > (5) the step-sib of Katti (who is the dau of Karen & Alan) > (6) the full-sib of Michael. > >In normal parlance, and in obituaries, the technical distinctions are often >omitted: George Jr is often shown simply to have sibs Michael, Tim & Kattie. > >The question is, can this be displayed on the screen when one is looking at >a family group? > >The answer is yes but it requires programming and the "two-family" limit >would have to be eliminated . One needs to look at all families in which I was unaware of the "two-family" limit. Can a child only have two sets of parents? I've noticed when adding a second set, the _type_ of parent is assigned separately for each parent, so in the event of one parent having a second spouse, I assumed I'd add that parent a second time, with that parent as natural again and the second spouse as step, and same again (the other way round) if the other natural parent remarried. But I've never actually tried it. >one of the principles (child, father, or mother) is present. But there are >complexities and consideration would have to be given as to exactly who the >user is looking at; that is, are you looking at George Jr's family group >(three groups! in which case you have sibs, half-sibs, and step-sibs), or >George Sr (two groups in which you have natural children & step children), >etc. > >One might argue that the issue could be resolved by declaring that a >step-parent is only the one who marries the custodial parent, but in the >era of joint custody even this idea fails. Especially if the natural >parent marries a second time after the death of the first step-parent. >Again, these are real situations. > >But I do wish for a solution. [] I fear it'll be a long time coming, because I suspect it would require a _lot_ of work. Much like my desire to have the ability to see all the children of a person (with maybe those not by the currently-selected spouse greyed or something). If anything, yours is even more complex, if my children one excludes step-children (but includes all natural children), which would be a start. If step-children _were_ included, I think it'd be as complex as your see-all-siblings desire. Ideally, the various types - of children (natural by selected spouse, natural by other spouse, adopted/step), and of siblings (full, half, or step), would appear in different colours and/or with different-coloured backgrounds, but such is not possible with the present graphics engine. So may have to wait for version 8 or beyond. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Beatrix Potter was a bunny boiler. - Patricia Routledge, on "Today" 2016-1-26

To Jim Ramaley I will try to find a way to show all possible siblings from either parent from the Edit screen. John Steed ________________________________ From: J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 5:38 PM To: bk@rootsweb.com Subject: [BK] Re: Siblings, step-siblings, half-siblings. In message <CAKqTvt-oVuxpTPvtu+ti66BVua50KHduV2ctqfQN4eFzXcUaZw@mail.gmail.com>, Jim Ramaley <james.ramaley@gmail.com> writes: >I touched on this topic in a post in March 2017 but I keep running into >real life situations that beg for a solution. > >The question: Is there an easy way to show all siblings from an input >screen (i.e., not as a report)? > >Just as a person can be a child in more than 2 families, many people have >siblings other than full or even half -- that is, they are in families in >which no natural parent is present. The standard definitions are: > 1. Siblings share both parents, > 2. half-sibs share one parent, > 3. step sibs share no parents although some people do not distinguish >between half sibs and step-sibs. > >Real example from today's email: > >Family group 1 consists of parents George & Judy and children George Jr. >and Michael. George & Judy divorce with George marrying Karen, creating >Family Group 2, and Judy marring Tom, creating family group 3. > >George Jr. is now in three family groups but BK does not allow this and so >the arrangement must be discussed in the notes, > >To add a fairly typical condition, suppose Karen had a child, Katti, from a >previous marriage to Alan and that George & Karen become the parents of a >child Tim. > >When the dust settles we have: >George Jr is: > (1) the natural child of George & Judy > (2) the step-child of Karen (who married George) > (3) the step-child of Tom (who married Judy) > (4) the half-sib of Tim (who is a child of George & Karen) > (5) the step-sib of Katti (who is the dau of Karen & Alan) > (6) the full-sib of Michael. > >In normal parlance, and in obituaries, the technical distinctions are often >omitted: George Jr is often shown simply to have sibs Michael, Tim & Kattie. > >The question is, can this be displayed on the screen when one is looking at >a family group? > >The answer is yes but it requires programming and the "two-family" limit >would have to be eliminated . One needs to look at all families in which I was unaware of the "two-family" limit. Can a child only have two sets of parents? I've noticed when adding a second set, the _type_ of parent is assigned separately for each parent, so in the event of one parent having a second spouse, I assumed I'd add that parent a second time, with that parent as natural again and the second spouse as step, and same again (the other way round) if the other natural parent remarried. But I've never actually tried it. >one of the principles (child, father, or mother) is present. But there are >complexities and consideration would have to be given as to exactly who the >user is looking at; that is, are you looking at George Jr's family group >(three groups! in which case you have sibs, half-sibs, and step-sibs), or >George Sr (two groups in which you have natural children & step children), >etc. > >One might argue that the issue could be resolved by declaring that a >step-parent is only the one who marries the custodial parent, but in the >era of joint custody even this idea fails. Especially if the natural >parent marries a second time after the death of the first step-parent. >Again, these are real situations. > >But I do wish for a solution. [] I fear it'll be a long time coming, because I suspect it would require a _lot_ of work. Much like my desire to have the ability to see all the children of a person (with maybe those not by the currently-selected spouse greyed or something). If anything, yours is even more complex, if my children one excludes step-children (but includes all natural children), which would be a start. If step-children _were_ included, I think it'd be as complex as your see-all-siblings desire. Ideally, the various types - of children (natural by selected spouse, natural by other spouse, adopted/step), and of siblings (full, half, or step), would appear in different colours and/or with different-coloured backgrounds, but such is not possible with the present graphics engine. So may have to wait for version 8 or beyond. -- J. P. Gilliver. 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In message <DM6PR02MB52897E75B6DB3E8A1ECF805D913E0@DM6PR02MB5289.namprd02.prod.outlo ok.com>, John Steed <brothers_keeper@msn.com> writes: >To Jim Ramaley > >I will try to find a way to show all possible siblings from either >parent from the Edit screen. [] Would it be a similar part of thinking to find a way to show all children of a person? (Maybe excluding step-children, i. e. just natural ones?) (I often see that a child isn't shown, and go about adding it, only to find it _is_ already entered, but just only shows if a different spouse is selected.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Quantum particles: the dreams that stuff is made of - David Moser

It is also a problem if a person have children With several partners. Then there is no screen or view to show all partners and all children Could more use of <F7>and <F12> be a possible option ? --- hilsen/regards Otto -#- Den 26.04.2019 21:02, skrev J. P. Gilliver (John): > In message <DM6PR02MB52897E75B6DB3E8A1ECF805D913E0@DM6PR02MB5289.namprd02.prod.outlo > ok.com>, John Steed <brothers_keeper@msn.com> writes: > >> To Jim Ramaley I will try to find a way to show all possible siblings from either parent from the Edit screen. > > [] > Would it be a similar part of thinking to find a way to show all children of a person? (Maybe excluding step-children, i. e. just natural ones?) > > (I often see that a child isn't shown, and go about adding it, only to find it _is_ already entered, but just only shows if a different spouse is selected.)

Jim, This is a great topic. It presents as a conundrum for relational database programmers. That is why the marriage event is often separate from individual's events. I have a suggestion for those programmers where children share a parent presented in different families. Have another column in the Children grid. The column might be colour coded - but will contain the name of the parent with BK Number and clickable. (Just like the location field). Or even two columns showing the Father in one and the other for Mother. (With BK Numbers). I have a case of a woman bringing two girls from a prior marriage and a man bringing two boys also from a prior relationship marrying and spawn an only child in this second relationship for both. There are now five children, two girls are step to the two boys but all are half to the new born. From a DNA perspective, the new born will have DNA from his Mother as will the two girls. Likewise the two boys will share their Dad's DNA with the new born. AND the Y-DNA will apply to all males. The mtDNA will pass through the Mothers as before to the new born. One does need to be hard-hearted when it comes to descendancy. I think the present blood-line chart is adequate. After all genealogy is the science of procreation & heredity - a child with parents. Barry P. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Ramaley [mailto:james.ramaley@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 26 April 2019 3:46 AM To: bk@rootsweb.com Subject: [BK] Siblings, step-siblings, half-siblings. I touched on this topic in a post in March 2017 but I keep running into real life situations that beg for a solution. The question: Is there an easy way to show all siblings from an input screen (i.e., not as a report)? Just as a person can be a child in more than 2 families, many people have siblings other than full or even half -- that is, they are in families in which no natural parent is present. The standard definitions are: 1. Siblings share both parents, 2. half-sibs share one parent, 3. step sibs share no parents although some people do not distinguish between half sibs and step-sibs. Real example from today's email: Family group 1 consists of parents George & Judy and children George Jr. and Michael. George & Judy divorce with George marrying Karen, creating Family Group 2, and Judy marring Tom, creating family group 3. George Jr. is now in three family groups but BK does not allow this and so the arrangement must be discussed in the notes, To add a fairly typical condition, suppose Karen had a child, Katti, from a previous marriage to Alan and that George & Karen become the parents of a child Tim. When the dust settles we have: George Jr is: (1) the natural child of George & Judy (2) the step-child of Karen (who married George) (3) the step-child of Tom (who married Judy) (4) the half-sib of Tim (who is a child of George & Karen) (5) the step-sib of Katti (who is the dau of Karen & Alan) (6) the full-sib of Michael. In normal parlance, and in obituaries, the technical distinctions are often omitted: George Jr is often shown simply to have sibs Michael, Tim & Kattie. The question is, can this be displayed on the screen when one is looking at a family group? The answer is yes but it requires programming and the "two-family" limit would have to be eliminated . One needs to look at all families in which one of the principles (child, father, or mother) is present. But there are complexities and consideration would have to be given as to exactly who the user is looking at; that is, are you looking at George Jr's family group (three groups! in which case you have sibs, half-sibs, and step-sibs), or George Sr (two groups in which you have natural children & step children), etc. One might argue that the issue could be resolved by declaring that a step-parent is only the one who marries the custodial parent, but in the era of joint custody even this idea fails. Especially if the natural parent marries a second time after the death of the first step-parent. Again, these are real situations. But I do wish for a solution. _______________________________________________ Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/bk@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

In message <001d01d4fc06$ab2db610$01892230$@pycroft.co.nz>, Barry PYCROFT <barry@pycroft.co.nz> writes: >Jim, > This is a great topic. It presents as a conundrum for relational >database programmers. That is why the marriage event is often separate from >individual's events. > I have a suggestion for those programmers where children share a parent >presented in different families. >Have another column in the Children grid. The column might be colour coded - >but will contain the name of the parent with BK Number and clickable. (Just >like the location field). Or even two columns showing the Father in one and >the other for Mother. (With BK Numbers). > Having columns for both parents' BK numbers sounds a good idea (probably for both the "Children" and "Siblings" tabs). [Clickable a good idea too.] Colour would be nice, but we know (e. g. from discussion of the possibility of indicating quality in the Source column) that colour (either of text or the box fill) isn't possible with the current graphic engine. [] >One does need to be hard-hearted when it comes to descendancy. I think the >present blood-line chart is adequate. After all genealogy is the science of >procreation & heredity - a child with parents. I'm inclined to agree. Where biological parents are known, of course; where not, I can't see _great_ harm in leaving the adoptive (or whatever) ancestry in the tree - after all, we are doing that anyway where we have an error (of whatever origin) in our tree. And I'd be inclined to continue to let BK users decide for themselves which parents they designate as primary, even if we disagree with their choice. > > Barry P. [] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf There I was, sitting in a glum mood - 'Cheer up, things could be worse', he said, so I cheered up, and sure enough, things got worse.

On a related but different issue, I was just wishing that a person's marriages all showed up on their screen irrespective of which spouse was currently selected. For example, when I am trying to look up someone (female) in 1939 register, I need to click on each spouse to see dates of death and marriage to the next one to work out which surname to look for. Again, not a big deal, but inconvenient, and I am sure that it might be complicated to program. Ruth On 25/04/2019 16:45, Jim Ramaley wrote: > I touched on this topic in a post in March 2017 but I keep running into > real life situations that beg for a solution. > > The question: Is there an easy way to show all siblings from an input > screen (i.e., not as a report)? > > Just as a person can be a child in more than 2 families, many people have > siblings other than full or even half -- that is, they are in families in > which no natural parent is present. The standard definitions are: > 1. Siblings share both parents, > 2. half-sibs share one parent, > 3. step sibs share no parents although some people do not distinguish > between half sibs and step-sibs. > >

To Ruth Wilson If the woman has multiple marriages, you could pick from the top menu Edit, Rearrange Spouses. It will show a chart with all of her spouses, and the marriage dates. Then just close it without making changes after you view it. John Steed ________________________________ From: Ruth Wilson via BK <bk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 1:31 PM To: bk@rootsweb.com Cc: Ruth Wilson Subject: [BK] Re: Siblings, step-siblings, half-siblings. On a related but different issue, I was just wishing that a person's marriages all showed up on their screen irrespective of which spouse was currently selected. For example, when I am trying to look up someone (female) in 1939 register, I need to click on each spouse to see dates of death and marriage to the next one to work out which surname to look for. Again, not a big deal, but inconvenient, and I am sure that it might be complicated to program. Ruth On 25/04/2019 16:45, Jim Ramaley wrote: > I touched on this topic in a post in March 2017 but I keep running into > real life situations that beg for a solution. > > The question: Is there an easy way to show all siblings from an input > screen (i.e., not as a report)? > > Just as a person can be a child in more than 2 families, many people have > siblings other than full or even half -- that is, they are in families in > which no natural parent is present. The standard definitions are: > 1. Siblings share both parents, > 2. half-sibs share one parent, > 3. step sibs share no parents although some people do not distinguish > between half sibs and step-sibs. > > _______________________________________________ Remember - Use the Archives at https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Farchiver.rootsweb.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fsearch&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C821d438945264feb3b5f08d6ca4b8c55%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636918823152654436&amp;sdata=wFMdx%2F%2Bmb9dYW%2FYh47NYiMfb3aL290e9LWaWre0DS9A%3D&amp;reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Frootswebpref&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C821d438945264feb3b5f08d6ca4b8c55%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636918823152654436&amp;sdata=T%2Bp11KjGhJwjetMYRdvTzF8aY5%2B0giz8NDnm%2F817NI8%3D&amp;reserved=0 Unsubscribe https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.com%2Fpostorius%2Flists%2Fbk%40rootsweb.com&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C821d438945264feb3b5f08d6ca4b8c55%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636918823152654436&amp;sdata=uQvMdGS%2BWdYmaH2oVcD%2FkUgWkNDSF3GvWEw2qfKhr0Y%3D&amp;reserved=0 Privacy Statement: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2JWBOdY&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C821d438945264feb3b5f08d6ca4b8c55%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636918823152664441&amp;sdata=nHhNWmthTOai5g3IvzrvrADyZgfjhmDHGgGALxoaYy0%3D&amp;reserved=0 Terms and Conditions: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2HDBym9&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C821d438945264feb3b5f08d6ca4b8c55%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636918823152664441&amp;sdata=D%2FnTjkx4fzkw1zE%2Be%2FMU94C1yGdJ3%2BVYV%2FotRzv4HOs%3D&amp;reserved=0 Rootsweb Blog: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frootsweb.blog&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C821d438945264feb3b5f08d6ca4b8c55%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636918823152664441&amp;sdata=z7zVLz9%2BAk8HNrY1Rq%2F6A%2BWWJxeAimQ3CU9UE7yPQM4%3D&amp;reserved=0 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

the womn is not marriked to all the male at same time. The childres is not adopted by several paren ts at the same time. The child has from start Two biologicalparents. Later on the child might have one bilogical parent(person) (male/female) and one adopted(person)(male/female) There are only one Family that "take care" of the child at the same time. One have to see at the tikmeline. --- hilsen/regards Otto -#- Den 26.04.2019 15:36, skrev John Steed: > To Ruth Wilson > > If the woman has multiple marriages, you could pick from the top menu Edit, Rearrange Spouses. > > It will show a chart with all of her spouses, and the marriage dates. > > Then just close it without making changes after you view it. > > John Steed > > ________________________________ > From: Ruth Wilson via BK <bk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 1:31 PM > To: bk@rootsweb.com > Cc: Ruth Wilson > Subject: [BK] Re: Siblings, step-siblings, half-siblings. > > On a related but different issue, I was just wishing that a person's > marriages all showed up on their screen irrespective of which spouse was > currently selected. For example, when I am trying to look up someone > (female) in 1939 register, I need to click on each spouse to see dates > of death and marriage to the next one to work out which surname to look for. > > Again, not a big deal, but inconvenient, and I am sure that it might be > complicated to program. > > Ruth > > On 25/04/2019 16:45, Jim Ramaley wrote: > >> I touched on this topic in a post in March 2017 but I keep running into real life situations that beg for a solution. The question: Is there an easy way to show all siblings from an input screen (i.e., not as a report)? Just as a person can be a child in more than 2 families, many people have siblings other than full or even half -- that is, they are in families in which no natural parent is present. The standard definitions are: 1. 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If the child have childen, to what line shal they Connected? A foster familyt have no biological link to the parent of the fosterchild and should by that no be Connected. the children of the fosterchild should belong to the biological line. If there should be Connected children to the "fosterline" those children should be printed in some differebt format. I hav put that question several times to JS, without solution. hilsen/regards Otto -#- Den 26.04.2019 15:36, skrev John Steed: > To Ruth Wilson > > If the woman has multiple marriages, you could pick from the top menu Edit, Rearrange Spouses. > > It will show a chart with all of her spouses, and the marriage dates. > > Then just close it without making changes after you view it. > > John Steed > > ________________________________ > From: Ruth Wilson via BK <bk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 1:31 PM > To: bk@rootsweb.com > Cc: Ruth Wilson > Subject: [BK] Re: Siblings, step-siblings, half-siblings. > > On a related but different issue, I was just wishing that a person's > marriages all showed up on their screen irrespective of which spouse was > currently selected. For example, when I am trying to look up someone > (female) in 1939 register, I need to click on each spouse to see dates > of death and marriage to the next one to work out which surname to look for. > > Again, not a big deal, but inconvenient, and I am sure that it might be > complicated to program. > > Ruth > > On 25/04/2019 16:45, Jim Ramaley wrote: > >> I touched on this topic in a post in March 2017 but I keep running into real life situations that beg for a solution. The question: Is there an easy way to show all siblings from an input screen (i.e., not as a report)? Just as a person can be a child in more than 2 families, many people have siblings other than full or even half -- that is, they are in families in which no natural parent is present. The standard definitions are: 1. Siblings share both parents, 2. half-sibs share one parent, 3. step sibs share no parents although some people do not distinguish between half sibs and step-sibs.

That's a great tip, John. Thanks! It is just what I need. Ruth On 26/04/2019 14:36, John Steed wrote: > To Ruth Wilson > > If the woman has multiple marriages, you could pick from the top menu Edit, Rearrange Spouses. > > It will show a chart with all of her spouses, and the marriage dates. > > Then just close it without making changes after you view it. > > John Steed > > ________________________________ > From: Ruth Wilson via BK <bk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 1:31 PM > To: bk@rootsweb.com > Cc: Ruth Wilson > Subject: [BK] Re: Siblings, step-siblings, half-siblings. > > On a related but different issue, I was just wishing that a person's > marriages all showed up on their screen irrespective of which spouse was > currently selected. For example, when I am trying to look up someone > (female) in 1939 register, I need to click on each spouse to see dates > of death and marriage to the next one to work out which surname to look for. > > Again, not a big deal, but inconvenient, and I am sure that it might be > complicated to program. > > Ruth > > On 25/04/2019 16:45, Jim Ramaley wrote: >> I touched on this topic in a post in March 2017 but I keep running into >> real life situations that beg for a solution. >> >> The question: Is there an easy way to show all siblings from an input >> screen (i.e., not as a report)? >> >> Just as a person can be a child in more than 2 families, many people have >> siblings other than full or even half -- that is, they are in families in >> which no natural parent is present. The standard definitions are: >> 1. Siblings share both parents, >> 2. half-sibs share one parent, >> 3. step sibs share no parents although some people do not distinguish >> between half sibs and step-sibs. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Remember - Use the Archives at https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Farchiver.rootsweb.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fsearch&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C821d438945264feb3b5f08d6ca4b8c55%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636918823152654436&amp;sdata=wFMdx%2F%2Bmb9dYW%2FYh47NYiMfb3aL290e9LWaWre0DS9A%3D&amp;reserved=0 > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Frootswebpref&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C821d438945264feb3b5f08d6ca4b8c55%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636918823152654436&amp;sdata=T%2Bp11KjGhJwjetMYRdvTzF8aY5%2B0giz8NDnm%2F817NI8%3D&amp;reserved=0 > Unsubscribe https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.com%2Fpostorius%2Flists%2Fbk%40rootsweb.com&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C821d438945264feb3b5f08d6ca4b8c55%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636918823152654436&amp;sdata=uQvMdGS%2BWdYmaH2oVcD%2FkUgWkNDSF3GvWEw2qfKhr0Y%3D&amp;reserved=0 > Privacy Statement: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2JWBOdY&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C821d438945264feb3b5f08d6ca4b8c55%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636918823152664441&amp;sdata=nHhNWmthTOai5g3IvzrvrADyZgfjhmDHGgGALxoaYy0%3D&amp;reserved=0 Terms and Conditions: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2HDBym9&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C821d438945264feb3b5f08d6ca4b8c55%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636918823152664441&amp;sdata=D%2FnTjkx4fzkw1zE%2Be%2FMU94C1yGdJ3%2BVYV%2FotRzv4HOs%3D&amp;reserved=0 > Rootsweb Blog: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frootsweb.blog&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C821d438945264feb3b5f08d6ca4b8c55%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636918823152664441&amp;sdata=z7zVLz9%2BAk8HNrY1Rq%2F6A%2BWWJxeAimQ3CU9UE7yPQM4%3D&amp;reserved=0 > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/bk@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Dear BK users, dear John, as a registered user I always try to keep my copy of BK up to date.The web site bkwin.org (and also bwin.com) says the latest version is 7.3.4, published in Dec. 2018.However, the online store now offers a version 7.4, but it is for sale, even for registered users. Can anyone please explain what will be the future update policy of BK?What is the difference between 7.3 and 7.4?If I buy the update to 7.4 now, will I be able to participate in future updates (7.5  etc.) for free again? Or will all future updates be chargeable from now on? Any clarification is welcome. Bert from Germany .

When John is ready With the Version it will be for download on his webside. So far we have to wait. I believe it will come during this monthe. There are still changing and update facilities in the Version and even those who have received the 7.4 vesion will have to download the Version later on. The releas on his webpage willl then have several Language updates and New information in the helpfile <F1> for several language. --- hilsen/regards Otto -#- Den 10.05.2019 17:02, skrev Bert Maier via BK: > Dear BK users, dear John, > as a registered user I always try to keep my copy of BK up to date.The web site bkwin.org (and also bwin.com) says the latest version is 7.3.4, published in Dec. 2018.However, the online store now offers a version 7.4, but it is for sale, even for registered users. > Can anyone please explain what will be the future update policy of BK?What is the difference between 7.3 and 7.4?If I buy the update to 7.4 now, will I be able to participate in future updates (7.5 etc.) for free again? Or will all future updates be chargeable from now on? > Any clarification is welcome. > Bert from Germany > > . > > _______________________________________________ > Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search [1] > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref [2] > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/bk@rootsweb.com [3] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY [4] Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 [5] > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog [6] > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community Links: ------ [1] http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search [2] http://bit.ly/rootswebpref [3] https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/bk@rootsweb.com [4] https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY [5] https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 [6] http://rootsweb.blog

Hello John, and BK community, is there any news regarding the future update policy of BK? As I stated in a previous post, the website bkwin.org lists the last available version as 7.3.4, dated Dec. 2018. In the shop, however, there seems to be a version 7.4 for sale. Can you please explain what will be the future procedure to be informed about updates and how to obtain them? Thanks a lot! Bert from Germany Am Freitag, 10. Mai 2019, 17:02:42 MESZ hat Bert Maier via BK <bk@rootsweb.com> Folgendes geschrieben: Dear BK users, dear John, as a registered user I always try to keep my copy of BK up to date.The web site bkwin.org (and also bwin.com) says the latest version is 7.3.4, published in Dec. 2018.However, the online store now offers a version 7.4, but it is for sale, even for registered users. Can anyone please explain what will be the future update policy of BK?What is the difference between 7.3 and 7.4? If I buy the update to 7.4 now, will I be able to participate in future updates (7.5  etc.) for free again? Or will all future updates be chargeable from now on? Any clarification is welcome. Bert from Germany .

I believe that in short time we will have the New update ready fir downloading. So still untill that day we have to waite --- hilsen/regards Otto -#- Den 29.05.2019 07:36, skrev Bert Maier via BK: > Hello John, and BK community, > is there any news regarding the future update policy of BK? > As I stated in a previous post, the website bkwin.org lists the last available version as 7.3.4, dated Dec. 2018. > In the shop, however, there seems to be a version 7.4 for sale. > Can you please explain what will be the future procedure to be informed about updates and how to obtain them? > Thanks a lot! > Bert from Germany > > Am Freitag, 10. Mai 2019, 17:02:42 MESZ hat Bert Maier via BK <bk@rootsweb.com> Folgendes geschrieben: > > Dear BK users, dear John, > as a registered user I always try to keep my copy of BK up to date.The web site bkwin.org (and also bwin.com) says the latest version is 7.3.4, published in Dec. 2018.However, the online store now offers a version 7.4, but it is for sale, even for registered users. > > Can anyone please explain what will be the future update policy of BK?What is the difference between 7.3 and 7.4? > If I buy the update to 7.4 now, will I be able to participate in future updates (7.5 etc.) for free again? Or will all future updates be chargeable from now on? > Any clarification is welcome. > Bert from Germany > > our loyal RootsWeb community

In message <35307cfec27fdc849476436fc73acb9d@online.no>, Otto Joergensen <otjoerge@online.no> writes: > > >I believe that in short time we will have the New update ready fir >downloading. >So still untill that day we have to waite [] Yes, http://www.bkwin.net/changes7.htm (and .com ditto) shows 7.3.4 (2018-Dec-11), and the shop shows 7.4. Those of us whom JS has given a private(-ish) link to a trial version to fix some particular problem or add some particular feature (such as in my case make 'v' [or 'V'!] in the Location field copy the Location below, in the same way '"' copies the location above - which works well!), find that our version self-identifies as 7.4. I'm wondering what the plans for V8 are. The move to V7 mainly, AIUI, involved a change of the underlying database structure, which was probably necessary for further development, and definitely involved a huge amount of programming effort - for which I was willing to pay, although from the _user_ point of view, I don't think things changed much (we got the circle charts). I'm _hoping_ that V8 will involve a ditching of the old graphics-and-text engine for something more modern: I'd be willing to pay for that even if it didn't immediately give me new features, if it meant scrolling (and zooming - with buttons!) in charts _and reports_ worked more like more or less every other Windows prog. I now use, and I could switch between, say, ancestor chart, edit screen, locations-with-events list, and so on, without having to close each before I could see the other. (I'd live without dynamic updating.) Then V9 (again, for which I'd be willing to pay) could add features I can now only dream about (but some competing products already offer) - such as, for example, linking to faces in pictures, clickable charts, expand/collapse in charts, maps, ... (I do fear for the long-term future of BK. I used to _like_ its old-fashioned look - and still do, do some extent, in that I don't want any flashy feature that doesn't actually add usefulness - but I can't see it gaining many _new_ users, looking and working as it does - so I fear the revenue stream will dry up, as we diehard users die off.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf ... unlike other legal systems the common law is permissive. We can do what we like, unless it is specifically prohibited by law. We are not as rule-bound and codified as other legal systems. - Helena Kennedy QC (Radio Times 14-20 July 2012).