I backup my files on a 32gb USB stick every time I close down the programme, and once a week I backup my hard drive on a WD external hard drive via a "ClickFree Transformer" which does an incremental backup of changed or new Giles. All the best. Malcolm Webb mfwebb2005@btinternet.com (Sent from my KindleFire HDX) On 3 March 2019, at 17:23, Terry Garnett <doodle_hill@hotmail.com> wrote: I use the Western Digital (WD) external hard drive and store them in soft sided case when I transport them in my computer bag. My WD external hard drives are 10 TB and more and they are reliable. I use a USB Hub to connect them to my computer and back them up OFTEN, I also keep the backups in a safe. Also I use a service called Carbonite that is an automatic backup service that backs up everything on my computer and one WD hard drive. I believe in redundancy...FYI...thanks, Terry ________________________________ From: David Youse <dhyouse@comcast.net> Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2019 12:17 To: bk@rootsweb.com Subject: [BK] Re: . Pics, Media, etc. files on SD card When using SD cards, or any medium to store data, the key is multiple backups. Historically, the only relatively permanent and secure way to store data is by printing it out with ink on paper. Magnetic tape worked for a while but degradation of the magnetic coatings and outside magnetic influences introduced errors, often not recoverable The same problems occurred with floppy discs of the various sizes. Additional to the storage problem is that at technology progresses the ability to read prior media becomes almost impossible – how many wire recorders still exist? Or 7” floppy disk readers? SD cards are now a passing standard with micro SD cards taking over. This form of storage is relatively safe but the quality of the cards, the reliability of the writers/readers varies and they are subject to mechanical damage to the contacts and storage damage from electrical influences. Some newer computers don’t even have SD card sots. L USB memory sticks are an option with the same caveats as SD cards. Computers soon won’t have a standard USB slot as many are going with Type C USB. Storing information in “the cloud” has become popular but by doing this you’re relinquishing control of your information to some unknown entity. It’s reputed to be safe but I personally won’t rely on someone else to guard my privacy. That also relies on connectivity issues with the internet, which is iffy at times. In the end, using multiple forms would be safest – SD plus USB, and multiple storage media of each. Having two or three backups almost guarantees you have what you need when you need it. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: bk-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 4:03 AM To: bk@rootsweb.com Subject: BK Digest, Vol 14, Issue 47 Send BK mailing list submissions to bk@rootsweb.com To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body subscribe to bk-request@rootsweb.com To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and body unsubscribe to bk-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at bk-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BK digest..." To all Digest receivers: There are two forms of the "Digest" differing in appearance. The default is "Plain" and the other choice is "MIME" - if you would like to try the other view send a private message to me at listutilities@cox.net Today's Topics: 1. Pics, Media, etc. files on SD card? (Roy Marriott) 2. Re: Pics, Media, etc. files on SD card? (Barry PYCROFT) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 22:46:28 -0500 From: Roy Marriott <roy.marriott@gmail.com> Subject: [BK] Pics, Media, etc. files on SD card? To: bk@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAK+BQvzcx66OTitOLnUdfejRbhSSAVUe16UpjXWh+qAGkKBXUg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Windows 10, BK 7.3.3 registered. Using Dropbox to synchronize my working files, but as a previous poster has said, the media and picture files can eat up Dropbox space in a hurry. I have assigned a drive letter (X:) to my SD card slot on my laptop, and again on my desktop machine. This way I can keep the same file path in Brothers Keeper. And I can use my "sneaker-net" to carry the SD card with me from laptop to desktop as desired. My question is with regard to the durability of the SD card(s). I've heard that there are limited read/write cycles when using an SD card. It's an A-Data branded 32 GB micro SD xc with full size adapter, class-10, U-1. I'm making frequent backups of the micro SD. Some of the warnings about read/write cycles are related to using SD cards in continuous looping cameras and such. I'm not doing that. I'm basically using it like a mini "hard drive." Bad choice? or okay? I'm open to suggestions. Regards to all, Roy Marriott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 11:09:34 +1300 From: Barry PYCROFT <barry@pycroft.co.nz> Subject: [BK] Re: Pics, Media, etc. files on SD card? To: <bk@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000d01d4cee9$21499800$63dcc800$@pycroft.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello Roy. I have found that main failing with SD cards is the quality of the Connector in the device.; PC, Laptop, etc. Some card readers are made poorly. If a connector fails, the card cannot be read. Static Electricity (Zap makes scrap) could be an issue in some environments. Then also, a quality brand ( if there is such a thing for SD Cards) is a better bet than those purchased cheaply from a large Asian country. I insist on a single 'active' database. How else can one maintain such on multiple devices and with low faith in reliability of said devices.? It is difficult for me when I am in travelling mode. What you do should work for you a treat, but I am not so focussed or diligent. Barry P. --==-- -----Original Message----- From: Roy Marriott [mailto:roy.marriott@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2019 4:46 PM To: bk@rootsweb.com Subject: [BK] Pics, Media, etc. files on SD card? Windows 10, BK 7.3.3 registered. Using Dropbox to synchronize my working files, but as a previous poster has said, the media and picture files can eat up Dropbox space in a hurry. I have assigned a drive letter (X:) to my SD card slot on my laptop, and again on my desktop machine. This way I can keep the same file path in Brothers Keeper. And I can use my "sneaker-net" to carry the SD card with me from laptop to desktop as desired. My question is with regard to the durability of the SD card(s). I've heard that there are limited read/write cycles when using an SD card. It's an A-Data branded 32 GB micro SD xc with full size adapter, class-10, U-1. I'm making frequent backups of the micro SD. Some of the warnings about read/write cycles are related to using SD cards in continuous looping cameras and such. I'm not doing that. I'm basically using it like a mini "hard drive." Bad choice? or okay? I'm open to suggestions. 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If we're going slightly off topic from SD cards: In addition to using the BK Backup option to a different HD location: I use an application called "Allway Sync" which is free, (up to a certain amount of data backed up), which backs up all changes of nominated files to a nominated destination every time I shutdown my PC. In my case it's a Network NAS but it could be anything. A word of caution about backing up to CD's/DVD's: I've done backups to this type of media for a long time. Recently I prepared to backup to one and as I removed it from the packaging the entire top reflective surface slid off!!! On further inspection the other unused ones aren't in much better shape. Now I'll grant you, I have had said supply of DVD's for some considerable years, but this now calls into question the dependability/integrity of data I stored on them in the past for long term storage. It's my understanding that there are specially produced DVD's for long term data storage, and they're not cheap, but what's the cost of the loss of important information, who can tell? As David Youse stated below " Historically, the only relatively permanent and secure way to store data is by printing it out with ink on paper." That'll be acid-free paper, written on with Iron Gall Ink, stored in an acid-free, humidity-controlled environment then...... Best regards Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: Malcolm Webb via BK [mailto:bk@rootsweb.com] Sent: 03 March 2019 19:01 To: bk@rootsweb com Cc: Malcolm Webb Subject: [BK] Re: . Pics, Media, etc. files on SD card I backup my files on a 32gb USB stick every time I close down the programme, and once a week I backup my hard drive on a WD external hard drive via a "ClickFree Transformer" which does an incremental backup of changed or new Giles. All the best. Malcolm Webb mfwebb2005@btinternet.com (Sent from my KindleFire HDX) On 3 March 2019, at 17:23, Terry Garnett <doodle_hill@hotmail.com> wrote: I use the Western Digital (WD) external hard drive and store them in soft sided case when I transport them in my computer bag. My WD external hard drives are 10 TB and more and they are reliable. I use a USB Hub to connect them to my computer and back them up OFTEN, I also keep the backups in a safe. Also I use a service called Carbonite that is an automatic backup service that backs up everything on my computer and one WD hard drive. I believe in redundancy...FYI...thanks, Terry ________________________________ From: David Youse <dhyouse@comcast.net> Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2019 12:17 To: bk@rootsweb.com Subject: [BK] Re: . Pics, Media, etc. files on SD card When using SD cards, or any medium to store data, the key is multiple backups. Historically, the only relatively permanent and secure way to store data is by printing it out with ink on paper. Magnetic tape worked for a while but degradation of the magnetic coatings and outside magnetic influences introduced errors, often not recoverable The same problems occurred with floppy discs of the various sizes. Additional to the storage problem is that at technology progresses the ability to read prior media becomes almost impossible – how many wire recorders still exist? Or 7” floppy disk readers? SD cards are now a passing standard with micro SD cards taking over. This form of storage is relatively safe but the quality of the cards, the reliability of the writers/readers varies and they are subject to mechanical damage to the contacts and storage damage from electrical influences. Some newer computers don’t even have SD card sots. L USB memory sticks are an option with the same caveats as SD cards. Computers soon won’t have a standard USB slot as many are going with Type C USB. Storing information in “the cloud” has become popular but by doing this you’re relinquishing control of your information to some unknown entity. It’s reputed to be safe but I personally won’t rely on someone else to guard my privacy. That also relies on connectivity issues with the internet, which is iffy at times. In the end, using multiple forms would be safest – SD plus USB, and multiple storage media of each. Having two or three backups almost guarantees you have what you need when you need it. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: bk-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 4:03 AM To: bk@rootsweb.com Subject: BK Digest, Vol 14, Issue 47 Send BK mailing list submissions to bk@rootsweb.com To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body subscribe to bk-request@rootsweb.com To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and body unsubscribe to bk-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at bk-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BK digest..." To all Digest receivers: There are two forms of the "Digest" differing in appearance. The default is "Plain" and the other choice is "MIME" - if you would like to try the other view send a private message to me at listutilities@cox.net Today's Topics: 1. Pics, Media, etc. files on SD card? (Roy Marriott) 2. Re: Pics, Media, etc. files on SD card? (Barry PYCROFT) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 22:46:28 -0500 From: Roy Marriott <roy.marriott@gmail.com> Subject: [BK] Pics, Media, etc. files on SD card? To: bk@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAK+BQvzcx66OTitOLnUdfejRbhSSAVUe16UpjXWh+qAGkKBXUg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Windows 10, BK 7.3.3 registered. Using Dropbox to synchronize my working files, but as a previous poster has said, the media and picture files can eat up Dropbox space in a hurry. I have assigned a drive letter (X:) to my SD card slot on my laptop, and again on my desktop machine. This way I can keep the same file path in Brothers Keeper. And I can use my "sneaker-net" to carry the SD card with me from laptop to desktop as desired. My question is with regard to the durability of the SD card(s). I've heard that there are limited read/write cycles when using an SD card. It's an A-Data branded 32 GB micro SD xc with full size adapter, class-10, U-1. I'm making frequent backups of the micro SD. Some of the warnings about read/write cycles are related to using SD cards in continuous looping cameras and such. I'm not doing that. I'm basically using it like a mini "hard drive." Bad choice? or okay? I'm open to suggestions. Regards to all, Roy Marriott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 11:09:34 +1300 From: Barry PYCROFT <barry@pycroft.co.nz> Subject: [BK] Re: Pics, Media, etc. files on SD card? To: <bk@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000d01d4cee9$21499800$63dcc800$@pycroft.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello Roy. I have found that main failing with SD cards is the quality of the Connector in the device.; PC, Laptop, etc. Some card readers are made poorly. If a connector fails, the card cannot be read. Static Electricity (Zap makes scrap) could be an issue in some environments. Then also, a quality brand ( if there is such a thing for SD Cards) is a better bet than those purchased cheaply from a large Asian country. I insist on a single 'active' database. How else can one maintain such on multiple devices and with low faith in reliability of said devices.? It is difficult for me when I am in travelling mode. What you do should work for you a treat, but I am not so focussed or diligent. Barry P. --==-- -----Original Message----- From: Roy Marriott [mailto:roy.marriott@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2019 4:46 PM To: bk@rootsweb.com Subject: [BK] Pics, Media, etc. files on SD card? Windows 10, BK 7.3.3 registered. Using Dropbox to synchronize my working files, but as a previous poster has said, the media and picture files can eat up Dropbox space in a hurry. I have assigned a drive letter (X:) to my SD card slot on my laptop, and again on my desktop machine. This way I can keep the same file path in Brothers Keeper. And I can use my "sneaker-net" to carry the SD card with me from laptop to desktop as desired. My question is with regard to the durability of the SD card(s). I've heard that there are limited read/write cycles when using an SD card. It's an A-Data branded 32 GB micro SD xc with full size adapter, class-10, U-1. I'm making frequent backups of the micro SD. Some of the warnings about read/write cycles are related to using SD cards in continuous looping cameras and such. I'm not doing that. I'm basically using it like a mini "hard drive." Bad choice? or okay? I'm open to suggestions. Regards to all, Roy Marriott _______________________________________________ Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/bk@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer To contact the %(real_name)s list administrator, send an email to %(real_name)s-admin@rootsweb.com. 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