For marriage after 1900 wifes in Scandinavian did adopt the Familyname of her husband and not always and they did alkso changed names And in census before 1910 a person might have many different name, so all those names are entered to Alternatiive names. If not the search for persons becomes a masssssss. :) --- hilsen/regards Otto -#- Den 10.02.2019 16:23, skrev Jim Dell via BK: > (So database compare is another thing, to go with searches, that it might > break, even if the nickname is in the middle.) > > Not really BK-specific, but it sounds like nickname - or generic alternative > name - is something that really needs adding to gedcom. > Though I get the impression that the standard is now somewhat fossilised, > and unlikely to develop much if at all, in the near future anyway. > -- > J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf > > John > The nickname just needs to be in the proper place under an alternate name > and GEDCOM will handle it. > > Jim > > _______________________________________________ > Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search [1] > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref [2] > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/bk@rootsweb.com [3] > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY [4] Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 [5] > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog [6] > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community Links: ------ [1] http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search [2] http://bit.ly/rootswebpref [3] https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/bk@rootsweb.com [4] https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY [5] https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 [6] http://rootsweb.blog

Was just wondering what other members think. I have (and I am sure many others as well) one family line where at least 8 cousins have the same first names (Nicolaas Jacobus) and the only way to tell them apart is by reference to their fathers. However they all have family nicknames (Nikkie, Nico, Nokkie etc). I am considering adding the nicknames to the name field so that it is easier to tell them apart at a glance instead of having to go to the alternative name field.

In message <CAJdnw=jsTHSSFFed6q5GhBDmn3hzcvLLv1uBMjqTqiaLAC0Yuw@mail.gmail.com>, Pat Brown <mistyhaven@gmail.com> writes: >Was just wondering what other members think. I have (and I am sure many >others as well) one family line where at least 8 cousins have the same >first names (Nicolaas Jacobus) and the only way to tell them apart is by >reference to their fathers. However they all have family nicknames (Nikkie, >Nico, Nokkie etc). I am considering adding the nicknames to the name field >so that it is easier to tell them apart at a glance instead of having to go >to the alternative name field. [] Two points: 1. where do you want to tell them apart? If in the F3 search, you can tick a box, and it'll show the alternative names as well (you should still put the surname in the nickname - e. g. Nico Brown - which is counterintuitive, if you want it found if you're searching for Browns). It shows people with alternative names with a symbol next to them (either * or +, I can't remember: the other one is for husband surname). 2. If you still decide to add them to the name field, do it in some way that does not break anything else - I can only think of searches, but there may be other things. Somewhere in the middle - such as "Nicolaas Jacobus (Nico) Brown" - seems the safest to me, but there may be other ways (some of them possibly including [square brackets]); probably best to wait to see if JS comments. (I _wouldn't_ put them first - "(Nico) Nicolaas Jacobus Brown" - or last, because that _would_ break the search function at least [that one would then no longer be found if you searched for "Nicol Brown"].) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf I long for the commercialised Christmas of the 1970s. It's got so religious now, it's lost its true meaning. - Mike [{at}ostic.demon.co.uk], 2003-12-24

Thanks John. My thinking was also to include it as part of the first name/s and in brackets, Patrick John (Paddy) Brown. On Sun, 10 Feb 2019, 14:01 J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk wrote: > In message > <CAJdnw=jsTHSSFFed6q5GhBDmn3hzcvLLv1uBMjqTqiaLAC0Yuw@mail.gmail.com>, > Pat Brown <mistyhaven@gmail.com> writes: > >Was just wondering what other members think. I have (and I am sure many > >others as well) one family line where at least 8 cousins have the same > >first names (Nicolaas Jacobus) and the only way to tell them apart is by > >reference to their fathers. However they all have family nicknames > (Nikkie, > >Nico, Nokkie etc). I am considering adding the nicknames to the name field > >so that it is easier to tell them apart at a glance instead of having to > go > >to the alternative name field. > [] > Two points: > > 1. where do you want to tell them apart? If in the F3 search, you can > tick a box, and it'll show the alternative names as well (you should > still put the surname in the nickname - e. g. Nico Brown - which is > counterintuitive, if you want it found if you're searching for Browns). > It shows people with alternative names with a symbol next to them > (either * or +, I can't remember: the other one is for husband surname). > > 2. If you still decide to add them to the name field, do it in some way > that does not break anything else - I can only think of searches, but > there may be other things. Somewhere in the middle - such as "Nicolaas > Jacobus (Nico) Brown" - seems the safest to me, but there may be other > ways (some of them possibly including [square brackets]); probably best > to wait to see if JS comments. (I _wouldn't_ put them first - "(Nico) > Nicolaas Jacobus Brown" - or last, because that _would_ break the search > function at least [that one would then no longer be found if you > searched for "Nicol Brown"].) > -- > J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf > > I long for the commercialised Christmas of the 1970s. It's got so > religious > now, it's lost its true meaning. - Mike [{at}ostic.demon.co.uk], > 2003-12-24 > > _______________________________________________ > Remember - Use the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/bk@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Just to let you know that I just had that situation with a GEDCOM file which a genealogist friend of mine send me. His file has 193, 000 people in it and I am comparing my file of 57,000 people to his. Well BK's compare database routine stops on about every person because he put the nickname embed in the name field, whereas I put it in the alternate names field. Makes for slow progress making at least 193, 000 clicks. Been working on this for two months now and we share databases once a year. So if you are every going to share your genealogy file with somebody or they share theirs with you and you do a compare it will slow your comparison. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Pat Brown <mistyhaven@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 7:42 AM To: BK <BK@rootsweb.com> Subject: [BK] Re: Thoughts - nicknames Thanks John. My thinking was also to include it as part of the first name/s and in brackets, Patrick John (Paddy) Brown. On Sun, 10 Feb 2019, 14:01 J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk wrote: > In message > <CAJdnw=jsTHSSFFed6q5GhBDmn3hzcvLLv1uBMjqTqiaLAC0Yuw@mail.gmail.com>, > Pat Brown <mistyhaven@gmail.com> writes: > >Was just wondering what other members think. I have (and I am sure > >many others as well) one family line where at least 8 cousins have > >the same first names (Nicolaas Jacobus) and the only way to tell them > >apart is by reference to their fathers. However they all have family > >nicknames > (Nikkie, > >Nico, Nokkie etc). I am considering adding the nicknames to the name > >field so that it is easier to tell them apart at a glance instead of > >having to > go > >to the alternative name field. > [] > Two points: > > 1. where do you want to tell them apart? If in the F3 search, you can > tick a box, and it'll show the alternative names as well (you should > still put the surname in the nickname - e. g. Nico Brown - which is > counterintuitive, if you want it found if you're searching for Browns). > It shows people with alternative names with a symbol next to them > (either * or +, I can't remember: the other one is for husband surname). > > 2. If you still decide to add them to the name field, do it in some > way that does not break anything else - I can only think of searches, > but there may be other things. Somewhere in the middle - such as > "Nicolaas Jacobus (Nico) Brown" - seems the safest to me, but there > may be other ways (some of them possibly including [square brackets]); > probably best to wait to see if JS comments. (I _wouldn't_ put them > first - "(Nico) Nicolaas Jacobus Brown" - or last, because that > _would_ break the search function at least [that one would then no > longer be found if you searched for "Nicol Brown"].) > -- > J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 > MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf > > I long for the commercialised Christmas of the 1970s. It's got so > religious now, it's lost its true meaning. - Mike > [{at}ostic.demon.co.uk], > 2003-12-24 > > _______________________________________________ > Remember - Use the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/bk@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community > _______________________________________________ Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/bk@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

In message <000701d4c14f$a6fcceb0$f4f66c10$@yahoo.com>, Jim Dell via BK <bk@rootsweb.com> writes: >Just to let you know that I just had that situation with a GEDCOM file which >a genealogist friend of mine send me. >His file has 193, 000 people in it and I am comparing my file of 57,000 >people to his. >Well BK's compare database routine stops on about every person because he >put the nickname embed in the name field, whereas I put it in the alternate >names field. > >Makes for slow progress making at least 193, 000 clicks. Been working on >this for two months now and we share databases once a year. > >So if you are every going to share your genealogy file with somebody or they >share theirs with you and you do a compare it will slow your comparison. > >Jim [] (So database compare is another thing, to go with searches, that it might break, even if the nickname is in the middle.) Not really BK-specific, but it sounds like nickname - or generic alternative name - is something that really needs adding to gedcom. Though I get the impression that the standard is now somewhat fossilised, and unlikely to develop much if at all, in the near future anyway. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf They are public servants, so we will threat them rather as Flashman treats servants. - Stephen Fry on some people's attitudo to the BBC, in Radio Times, 3-9 July 2010

(So database compare is another thing, to go with searches, that it might break, even if the nickname is in the middle.) Not really BK-specific, but it sounds like nickname - or generic alternative name - is something that really needs adding to gedcom. Though I get the impression that the standard is now somewhat fossilised, and unlikely to develop much if at all, in the near future anyway. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf John The nickname just needs to be in the proper place under an alternate name and GEDCOM will handle it. Jim

Hi Jim, as author of the "Gedcom Service Programs" I'm answering direct, not via the BK list. Did you ever tried my GSP Converter to modify the concerned data of the larger file to avoid the 193,000 clicks? I would be happy, if I could help you. You might send to me just one GEDCOM INDI record of the 2 files to check, if this works or if a small GSP Special would do the job. So I can see, what is the actual state and the required state. The programs are only working with ged-files, but that shouldn't be a problem. On my HP http://ofb.hesmer.name/gedserpro_e.html you might have a look and there are also some GSP Specials, I've written for other genealogists. best regards Diedrich (Hesmer) Am 10.02.19 um 15:48 schrieb Jim Dell via BK: > Just to let you know that I just had that situation with a GEDCOM file which > a genealogist friend of mine send me. > His file has 193, 000 people in it and I am comparing my file of 57,000 > people to his. > Well BK's compare database routine stops on about every person because he > put the nickname embed in the name field, whereas I put it in the alternate > names field. > > Makes for slow progress making at least 193, 000 clicks. Been working on > this for two months now and we share databases once a year. > > So if you are every going to share your genealogy file with somebody or they > share theirs with you and you do a compare it will slow your comparison. > > Jim > ...

Diedrich Attached are two records I extracted out of the separate GEDCOM files. The one named Jim-test.txt is my file the other is the one that came from the file with 193,000 people in it. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Diedrich Hesmer <dhesmer@gmx.de> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 10:28 AM To: Jim Dell via BK <bk@rootsweb.com> Subject: [BK] Re: Thoughts - nicknames Hi Jim, as author of the "Gedcom Service Programs" I'm answering direct, not via the BK list. Did you ever tried my GSP Converter to modify the concerned data of the larger file to avoid the 193,000 clicks? I would be happy, if I could help you. You might send to me just one GEDCOM INDI record of the 2 files to check, if this works or if a small GSP Special would do the job. So I can see, what is the actual state and the required state. The programs are only working with ged-files, but that shouldn't be a problem. On my HP http://ofb.hesmer.name/gedserpro_e.html you might have a look and there are also some GSP Specials, I've written for other genealogists. best regards Diedrich (Hesmer) Am 10.02.19 um 15:48 schrieb Jim Dell via BK: > Just to let you know that I just had that situation with a GEDCOM file > which a genealogist friend of mine send me. > His file has 193, 000 people in it and I am comparing my file of > 57,000 people to his. > Well BK's compare database routine stops on about every person because > he put the nickname embed in the name field, whereas I put it in the > alternate names field. > > Makes for slow progress making at least 193, 000 clicks. Been working > on this for two months now and we share databases once a year. > > So if you are every going to share your genealogy file with somebody > or they share theirs with you and you do a compare it will slow your comparison. > > Jim > .. _______________________________________________ Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/bk@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Thanks Jimmy. Hadn't thought of that. I will bear it in mind before making changes. I only need to do this with maybe a dozen entries to easily differentiate between them without having to check alternative names. Don't usually like having nicknames in the names field. On Sun, 10 Feb 2019, 16:48 Jim Dell via BK <bk@rootsweb.com wrote: > Just to let you know that I just had that situation with a GEDCOM file > which > a genealogist friend of mine send me. > His file has 193, 000 people in it and I am comparing my file of 57,000 > people to his. > Well BK's compare database routine stops on about every person because he > put the nickname embed in the name field, whereas I put it in the alternate > names field. > > Makes for slow progress making at least 193, 000 clicks. Been working on > this for two months now and we share databases once a year. > > So if you are every going to share your genealogy file with somebody or > they > share theirs with you and you do a compare it will slow your comparison. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Brown <mistyhaven@gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 7:42 AM > To: BK <BK@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [BK] Re: Thoughts - nicknames > > Thanks John. My thinking was also to include it as part of the first name/s > and in brackets, Patrick John (Paddy) Brown. > > On Sun, 10 Feb 2019, 14:01 J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk > wrote: > > > In message > > <CAJdnw=jsTHSSFFed6q5GhBDmn3hzcvLLv1uBMjqTqiaLAC0Yuw@mail.gmail.com>, > > Pat Brown <mistyhaven@gmail.com> writes: > > >Was just wondering what other members think. I have (and I am sure > > >many others as well) one family line where at least 8 cousins have > > >the same first names (Nicolaas Jacobus) and the only way to tell them > > >apart is by reference to their fathers. However they all have family > > >nicknames > > (Nikkie, > > >Nico, Nokkie etc). I am considering adding the nicknames to the name > > >field so that it is easier to tell them apart at a glance instead of > > >having to > > go > > >to the alternative name field. > > [] > > Two points: > > > > 1. where do you want to tell them apart? If in the F3 search, you can > > tick a box, and it'll show the alternative names as well (you should > > still put the surname in the nickname - e. g. Nico Brown - which is > > counterintuitive, if you want it found if you're searching for Browns). > > It shows people with alternative names with a symbol next to them > > (either * or +, I can't remember: the other one is for husband surname). > > > > 2. If you still decide to add them to the name field, do it in some > > way that does not break anything else - I can only think of searches, > > but there may be other things. Somewhere in the middle - such as > > "Nicolaas Jacobus (Nico) Brown" - seems the safest to me, but there > > may be other ways (some of them possibly including [square brackets]); > > probably best to wait to see if JS comments. (I _wouldn't_ put them > > first - "(Nico) Nicolaas Jacobus Brown" - or last, because that > > _would_ break the search function at least [that one would then no > > longer be found if you searched for "Nicol Brown"].) > > -- > > J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 > > MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf > > > > I long for the commercialised Christmas of the 1970s. It's got so > > religious now, it's lost its true meaning. - Mike > > [{at}ostic.demon.co.uk], > > 2003-12-24 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Remember - Use the Archives at > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/bk@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > > RootsWeb community > > > > _______________________________________________ > Remember - Use the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/bk@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is > funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Remember - Use the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/bk@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

I always put the birth name in the name Field and all other in the Alternative names. We also telle the users to do the same and the Helpfile <F1> has the recommodation as well. To have a Perfect searchin a database, we have to use all facilties and ALternative names are one of those. --- hilsen/regards Otto -#- Den 10.02.2019 15:48, skrev Jim Dell via BK: > Just to let you know that I just had that situation with a GEDCOM file which > a genealogist friend of mine send me. > His file has 193, 000 people in it and I am comparing my file of 57,000 > people to his. > Well BK's compare database routine stops on about every person because he > put the nickname embed in the name field, whereas I put it in the alternate > names field. > > Makes for slow progress making at least 193, 000 clicks. Been working on > this for two months now and we share databases once a year. > > So if you are every going to share your genealogy file with somebody or they > share theirs with you and you do a compare it will slow your comparison. > > Jim