Just had a communication from a DNA match, giving some of his ancestors with dates and places of birth and death. I went (from Edit) into Reports, Lists, Locations, and got a list (amazingly rapidly). It goes up (OK, down) to "Pascoe Vale, Victoria, Australia", followed by a line "* * click here for MORE * *". Moving the mouse pointer over that didn't change it, but clicking anywhere on that line did indeed produce a list, starting at "Patterson Heights, Pennsylvania, USA" and going to "Zelincople, Pennsylvania, USA". [Actually the last line is "£105" (that's a pound sign); I'll have to find and correct that record sometime.] However, when checking for the locations in the email, I got to Sligo, obviously in the second half of the list, then one in the first half - but there was no "click here to go back" or similar; the only way I could see to go back was to _C_lose then repeat. Could such be implemented - or, better, not have the break? I can't see a (modern) reason for it. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "This is a one line proof... if we start sufficiently far to the left." [Cambridge University Math Dept.]
Yes, I have been annoyed by that One-way list presentation for a longtime. -----Original Message----- From: J. P. Gilliver (John) [mailto:G6JPG-255@255soft.uk] Sent: Monday, 14 January 2019 7:11 AM To: bk@rootsweb.com Subject: [BK] Location list - forward but not back ... Just had a communication from a DNA match, giving some of his ancestors with dates and places of birth and death. I went (from Edit) into Reports, Lists, Locations, and got a list (amazingly rapidly). It goes up (OK, down) to "Pascoe Vale, Victoria, Australia", followed by a line "* * click here for MORE * *". Moving the mouse pointer over that didn't change it, but clicking anywhere on that line did indeed produce a list, starting at "Patterson Heights, Pennsylvania, USA" and going to "Zelincople, Pennsylvania, USA". [Actually the last line is "£105" (that's a pound sign); I'll have to find and correct that record sometime.] However, when checking for the locations in the email, I got to Sligo, obviously in the second half of the list, then one in the first half - but there was no "click here to go back" or similar; the only way I could see to go back was to _C_lose then repeat. Could such be implemented - or, better, not have the break? I can't see a (modern) reason for it. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "This is a one line proof... if we start sufficiently far to the left." [Cambridge University Math Dept.] _______________________________________________ Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/bk@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
Yes, I have been annoyed by that One-way forward list presentation for most of BK's life to date. The Display Names list, both types, progress by 1000 records per page and only alphabetically A-to-Z. The annoyance is not being able to go pages back - Z-to-A. One can go forward & back through a page of 1000, but not the preceding page. Now you have said the Locations does the same thing. Yes. I have found that occurs with me also. There is a setting in [Menu item <Options>Edit screen 1>] that says {< limit the Select person list to 1000 names at a time.>}. I have not been able to see this effect change - it has always been 1000 records per page, A-to-Z [forwards] only through the pages, and none previous. Barry P. New Zealand. --==-- -----Original Message----- From: J. P. Gilliver (John) [mailto:G6JPG-255@255soft.uk] Sent: Monday, 14 January 2019 7:11 AM To: bk@rootsweb.com Subject: [BK] Location list - forward but not back ... Just had a communication from a DNA match, giving some of his ancestors with dates and places of birth and death. I went (from Edit) into Reports, Lists, Locations, and got a list (amazingly rapidly). It goes up (OK, down) to "Pascoe Vale, Victoria, Australia", followed by a line "* * click here for MORE * *". Moving the mouse pointer over that didn't change it, but clicking anywhere on that line did indeed produce a list, starting at "Patterson Heights, Pennsylvania, USA" and going to "Zelincople, Pennsylvania, USA". [Actually the last line is "£105" (that's a pound sign); I'll have to find and correct that record sometime.] However, when checking for the locations in the email, I got to Sligo, obviously in the second half of the list, then one in the first half - but there was no "click here to go back" or similar; the only way I could see to go back was to _C_lose then repeat. Could such be implemented - or, better, not have the break? I can't see a (modern) reason for it. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "This is a one line proof... if we start sufficiently far to the left." [Cambridge University Math Dept.] _______________________________________________ Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/bk@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
To Barry Pycroft (and J. P. Gilliver) The "Select Person" screen is not the same as the Alphabetical Display screen. If you go to the Edit screen, and click the Find F3 button and then search for the name ? ? or else type * * It will show everyone, and will list up to 4000 names at a time. So the option to show only 1000 names on the Select Person screen is for that screen, not the Alphabetical Display listing. On the Select Person screen, it can slow down if you have the option set to put names in birth year order, so that I why I added that option for 1000 names at a time. OK, for the List, Alphabetical Display screen, I will try to increase the number of names that show at one time. I will also see if I can make a way to go backwards up the list. The main problem is that the "listbox" has a limit of how much it can show at one time. If I try to load too much, it gets an error. Also the "listbox" is designed to put things in the order that I give them. So while I can read the database backwards alphabetically, it is not easy to put them in the correct order on the screen when reading backwards. However, I will work on it some more and see if I can find a solution. Remember, instead of using the Alphabetical Display to find someone, if you know the last name, you can use the Select Person screen, and type part of the name. For example, to view everyone with a last name starting with N go to the Select person screen and type ? N* That is faster than scrolling down the Alphabetical List to the N's John Steed ________________________________ From: Barry PYCROFT <barry@pycroft.co.nz> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 9:37 AM To: bk@rootsweb.com Subject: [BK] Re: Location list - forward but not back ... Yes, I have been annoyed by that One-way forward list presentation for most of BK's life to date. The Display Names list, both types, progress by 1000 records per page and only alphabetically A-to-Z. The annoyance is not being able to go pages back - Z-to-A. One can go forward & back through a page of 1000, but not the preceding page. Now you have said the Locations does the same thing. Yes. I have found that occurs with me also. There is a setting in [Menu item <Options>Edit screen 1>] that says {< limit the Select person list to 1000 names at a time.>}. I have not been able to see this effect change - it has always been 1000 records per page, A-to-Z [forwards] only through the pages, and none previous. Barry P. New Zealand. --==-- -----Original Message----- From: J. P. Gilliver (John) [mailto:G6JPG-255@255soft.uk] Sent: Monday, 14 January 2019 7:11 AM To: bk@rootsweb.com Subject: [BK] Location list - forward but not back ... Just had a communication from a DNA match, giving some of his ancestors with dates and places of birth and death. I went (from Edit) into Reports, Lists, Locations, and got a list (amazingly rapidly). It goes up (OK, down) to "Pascoe Vale, Victoria, Australia", followed by a line "* * click here for MORE * *". Moving the mouse pointer over that didn't change it, but clicking anywhere on that line did indeed produce a list, starting at "Patterson Heights, Pennsylvania, USA" and going to "Zelincople, Pennsylvania, USA". [Actually the last line is "£105" (that's a pound sign); I'll have to find and correct that record sometime.] However, when checking for the locations in the email, I got to Sligo, obviously in the second half of the list, then one in the first half - but there was no "click here to go back" or similar; the only way I could see to go back was to _C_lose then repeat. Could such be implemented - or, better, not have the break? I can't see a (modern) reason for it. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "This is a one line proof... if we start sufficiently far to the left." 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Ok, Thanks, John S. I have not stopped to think that the option Select Person Edit screen was not the Alphabetical / Numerical display feature. My bad. The select person works well, thank you. I can scroll through all 4000 names from end to end - forwards & backwards with SURNAME order displaying forename, surname & BK Num. So we change the limit from 4000 to 1000. The purpose would be speed given a certain focus, I guess; - according to the data in the database. Q.- How does one scroll through the next set of 4000 names? How does one know the last person is not reached? Or that there is more to come?. Perhaps the user should be more focussed by selecting the first letter of each family name group? ====== -------- / / -------- ===== Scrolling the list Numerical Names display and Alphabetical names display and Locations (display) is acceptable WITHIN a 1000 line page (list box). Being able to go to a previous page would be a boon. For instance, in [List>locations,.] if I accidentally press the <End> key, the list shows the final group up to 1000, (15 in my case), I have to exit and restart, beginning right from the menu. Would it be sensible to cache the pages as they are first entered then recall those previous pages as prior names are needed for the display.? Actually, the problem manifests itself worse when a range of names is split,; say page n shows lastly PYCROFT A* to PYCROFT John and the page n+1 continuing from PYCROFT John to row 1000*. Clearly if there is doubt about PYCROFT John, or one accidentally mis-keys the scrolling then a restart of the feature is required; beginning right from the menu. Like John P.G. I cannot understand why such a restriction should exist. I have several programs using my BK data (transferred via gedcom) and I can scroll from one end to the other; including on my Samsung phone. Perhaps John S. that one could alphabetically select the first letter of the displayed list? That could allow one to stat a list at D, then T, then back to E, perhaps? (by way of example).. A list box of 1000 rows could then be selected with a first row, thereby covering any inconvenient split. The main issue behind this requirement is the need to locate or find an item that might be mis-spelled, or have unknown sequence of characters. Eg. Some surnames are bounded by / & / or even ( & ), or other unknown expectation. Thanks ... Barry P. --==-- -----Original Message----- From: John Steed [mailto:brothers_keeper@msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, 15 January 2019 8:40 AM To: barry@pycroft.co.nz; bk@rootsweb.com Subject: [BK] Re: Location list - forward but not back ... To Barry Pycroft (and J. P. Gilliver) The "Select Person" screen is not the same as the Alphabetical Display screen. If you go to the Edit screen, and click the Find F3 button and then search for the name ? ? or else type * * It will show everyone, and will list up to 4000 names at a time. So the option to show only 1000 names on the Select Person screen is for that screen, not the Alphabetical Display listing. On the Select Person screen, it can slow down if you have the option set to put names in birth year order, so that I why I added that option for 1000 names at a time. OK, for the List, Alphabetical Display screen, I will try to increase the number of names that show at one time. I will also see if I can make a way to go backwards up the list. The main problem is that the "listbox" has a limit of how much it can show at one time. If I try to load too much, it gets an error. Also the "listbox" is designed to put things in the order that I give them. So while I can read the database backwards alphabetically, it is not easy to put them in the correct order on the screen when reading backwards. However, I will work on it some more and see if I can find a solution. Remember, instead of using the Alphabetical Display to find someone, if you know the last name, you can use the Select Person screen, and type part of the name. For example, to view everyone with a last name starting with N go to the Select person screen and type ? N* That is faster than scrolling down the Alphabetical List to the N's John Steed ________________________________ From: Barry PYCROFT <barry@pycroft.co.nz> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 9:37 AM To: bk@rootsweb.com Subject: [BK] Re: Location list - forward but not back ... Yes, I have been annoyed by that One-way forward list presentation for most of BK's life to date. The Display Names list, both types, progress by 1000 records per page and only alphabetically A-to-Z. The annoyance is not being able to go pages back - Z-to-A. One can go forward & back through a page of 1000, but not the preceding page. Now you have said the Locations does the same thing. Yes. I have found that occurs with me also. There is a setting in [Menu item <Options>Edit screen 1>] that says {< limit the Select person list to 1000 names at a time.>}. I have not been able to see this effect change - it has always been 1000 records per page, A-to-Z [forwards] only through the pages, and none previous. Barry P. New Zealand. --==-- -----Original Message----- From: J. P. Gilliver (John) [mailto:G6JPG-255@255soft.uk] Sent: Monday, 14 January 2019 7:11 AM To: bk@rootsweb.com Subject: [BK] Location list - forward but not back ... Just had a communication from a DNA match, giving some of his ancestors with dates and places of birth and death. I went (from Edit) into Reports, Lists, Locations, and got a list (amazingly rapidly). It goes up (OK, down) to "Pascoe Vale, Victoria, Australia", followed by a line "* * click here for MORE * *". Moving the mouse pointer over that didn't change it, but clicking anywhere on that line did indeed produce a list, starting at "Patterson Heights, Pennsylvania, USA" and going to "Zelincople, Pennsylvania, USA". [Actually the last line is "£105" (that's a pound sign); I'll have to find and correct that record sometime.] However, when checking for the locations in the email, I got to Sligo, obviously in the second half of the list, then one in the first half - but there was no "click here to go back" or similar; the only way I could see to go back was to _C_lose then repeat. Could such be implemented - or, better, not have the break? I can't see a (modern) reason for it. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "This is a one line proof... if we start sufficiently far to the left." 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