To Jared Handspicker and all, Thank you for taking the time to consider this situation, sharing what you did about the notes and bringing it all together properly. I'm glad to hear that I'm not alone with these things and I don't have to be stuck in a corner over it. There are helpful, healthy solutions out there for a dilemma such as this. Thanks to others for their input as well. It's given me plenty to chew over. All the best with genealogy. Andrew. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jared Handspicker" <[email protected]> To: "Andrew Jackett" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Cc: "John Steed" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; "Singer35" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [BK] Unknown parent of child > Well, I've come across this sort of relationship conundrum before. There > are multiple ways to address it, but no matter which way is chosen, the > notes section for the mother (I'm assuming at least SHE was consistent in > all these) should offer some form of explanation. > > What I do for the fathers is simple. As you mentioned, they are entered as > "Father of CHILD'S NAME" and the relationship with the mother I select as > "NOT MARRIED". If they MIGHT have actually been married, that can be > explained in the notes as to the lack of proof/vital records to that > effect. Again, under the mother's notes. Do this for each child that had > a known, different father. The third "partner" of the mother, if known, > and married, can be plainly listed. > > I have also seen this where there were marriages, and "Husband of" > MOTHER'S NAME" was used, and one could put 1st or 2nd before Husband, in > such cases, if an order is known, and relationship is known, but > information with dates and locations is NOT known. > > Again, the best means to ensure this isn't overly confusing for anyone > later reading through the database is the clarifying notes under the > mother's entry. > > Also, as long as you're using different individuals for the various > fathers, and even if showing the adoptive father, all those relationships > should hold together, including the half-sister, or any step-siblings. > > Jared > >> Thanks again, Fran. >> >> To explain this instance a little further, the mother had a child to an >> unnamed father, not married, as explained previously; then she had a >> child >> to a named father, not married, who was not the first father, then to >> complicate things still further she married a man who adopted the 2nd >> child but didn't know about the 1st and wasn't the natural father of >> either of them though he wasn't completely sure. >> >> I kind of need a way of showing that mum had 3 relationships, not 2, and >> that the daughters were allegedly half-sisters and not sisters. >> >> By doing a report in BK stating who is descended from who I can depict >> this info, but the numbering may be out if I don't declare the first >> relationship and the first daughter may look to be fathered by the 2nd >> man >> if more detail isn't shown. Complicated. >> >> I'm interested in what others might have to say about this. >> >> Thanks again, >> >> Andrew. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Singer35 >> To: Andrew Jackett ; [email protected] >> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 9:54 AM >> Subject: Re: [BK] Unknown parent of child >> >> >> Andrew: >> >> the fact that is an unknown parent means there was some sort of >> relationship (barring rape); however to even speculate is dangerous so I >> don't worry about a relationsip I know nothing about even if I have some >> 'clues' I can't prove. I believe 'not married' sums it up very well. >> In these instances though I usually just leave relationshp blank. >> >> Fran >> >> >> >> On 07/04/2015 5:08 PM, Andrew Jackett wrote: >> >> Thanks for that, Fran. I am in the situation where I know a bit more >> about the relationship and "Not married" as a term fits well but >> "Partner" is one that grinds on the system as it never quite got that >> far. >> >> Am I expecting too much from a genealogy program like BK to offer up >> another option with that or is this something that others could make >> use of as well? - is my question. >> >> Andrew. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Singer35 >> To: Andrew Jackett ; [email protected] >> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 8:49 AM >> Subject: Re: [BK] Unknown parent of child >> >> >> I leave it blank, which is exactly what I know about them. I could >> suppose the realationship but that's not good genealogy. >> >> Fran L >> >> >> >> >> On 07/04/2015 4:29 PM, Andrew Jackett via wrote: >> >> Hello group, sending also to John Steed, >> >> I have traditionally been perplexed as to how to enter in an unknown >> parent of a named child born in an historical context just to one named >> parent. I used to enter the unnamed parent's name as "(?)" meaning >> unknown (so that the matching of relationships to children in the family >> would be accurate) and changed the relationship to display as Partner >> (i.e. not married) in most cases but I had people coming back to me >> saying >> they were entering this person in as an unknown husband (or wife) when in >> fact it was most likely a brief liaison rather than a legally binding, >> committed relationship of some kind. Others blindly assumed it was a >> husband (or wife) and so I found myself getting back to people and >> explaining further about what had supposedly taken place with these folk, >> just what the lack of detail meant. (The software I was using, not BK in >> this instance, was somewhat unclear as to separating out Partners from >> Husband and Wife, however I am unclear as to how to best expr! >> ess myself in BK as well). >> >> In recent weeks I've chosen to enter them in with the name "father of >> Gladys May PARSONS _______" and this idea seems to have it recorded >> better, but having the Not married = Partner status shown for some of >> them >> still kind of lets it down. I would prefer that the relationship status >> be changed from Partner to something more suitable but I'm not sure >> exactly what it would be called. >> >> Any ideas, people? Do other folk come up with this problem also? Any >> great work-arounds that we should know about? I'm certainly interested >> in >> this area of discussion. >> >> In a different genealogy program I treated these one set of named parent >> relationships as 'Friends' although I was not comfortable with the >> terminology. I believed that they needed to be something different from >> being 'Partners' or married couples. >> >> Do we have something to work with in that area John Steed or is the jury >> still out on that one? >> >> At least now by entering first and last names of "father _______" and >> "mother _______" on the Find person search, the names can be located >> easily in one swoop and other readers of the family tree reports can see >> better how the "(?)" person got to be placed there. I think I'm making >> progress with that but I'm open to other ideas. >> >> Thanks for reading this. >> >> Andrew Jackett of New Zealand. >> Remember - Use the Archives at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus >> software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> Remember - Use the Archives at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------ > Jared "Jed" Handspicker > Usque Saeculis Vigilem >