Great topic John. But first, Roy, what is the "Note square"? [Do you mean this?] If so, do these have special signification? And where do you put it, in a note or in the Date column? I use bef, abt or aft quite a lot, for the reasons raised, because you know one event but can't find the other. But I have always put just the year, as in bef 1855. Now you have got me wondering if I should be more precise, as in aft ddmmyyyy (in the non-American fashion). Which are the prefixes recognised by Gedcom? And does BK follow suit? And do they need to be in CAPS? I seem to reflect the implicit imprecision by putting them in lower case, as above. By the same token, when entering a wife, my practice is to enter her by her family/maiden name, the name she was born with, in CAPS, but if I don't know that name I enter her with her married/husband's name in Lower Case, again to imply that it is not quite the full information. I am at present dealing with a case in point where I can't find this woman's birth/baptism but there are 5 different other sources: shipping, daughter's birth, husband's death, remarriage and death. From ages given in these, she was born anytime from 1835 to 1842. I reckon the first three are the most reliable because she was the informant but even these vary a lot. Do I average them or put bef or aft? There is no right answer, I think. Bill -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roy Marriott via Sent: Friday, 27 March 2015 12:27 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [BK] How do you (discussion, not enquiry) express dates with the BEF(ore) tag? When using "CIR," "BEF," "AFT" I try to be as precise as the information in my source(s), which is what I think you are saying in your comment. Sometimes I can deduce something from a combination of sources, though I can't think of an example right now, and try to document my reasoning. Unfortunately, I may not have always been as careful. I understand and share your concern that there can be a potential for the reader to infer a false accuracy with such precise dates. In some cases the source information can help explain how the specificity of the date came about. For example the obituary of person "A" can provide an "AFT" date for the death of person "B" who survived person "A", but there is no way from that source to determine by how _much_ after. It could be a day after (hence the reason to include the known precision), or it could be several years after. I try not to make assumptions, even though I'm sure that I have done so in the past. Do you (or do other BKers) use the "Note square" to identify limitations, qualifying information, or reasoning to support the "BEF"? Roy Marriott On 3/26/2015 7:47 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) via wrote: > There are times when I know something happened before a date: I > sometimes wonder how precise I should be with the date. For example, > say someone is known, on a specific date, to be a widow(er): > obviously, the DOD of the spouse is BEF(ore) that date. But do I say BEF ddmmyyyy? > That's strictly _correct_, and on the whole is what I do, but some > people seeing it might think it means they died quite close to it. > > I was just wondering how others express the date when they use BEEF. > > (Side idle thought: when the husband dies first, the wife is widowed, > becoming a widow. When the wife dies first, the husband becomes a > widower - so is he widowed, or widowered?) Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Sometimes I beg the question and use "resided" with or without a location. For example, if John is mentioned as a survivor in his sister Mary's obit, I entered the year (indicating the inexactness of the info) in the "Resided" event, and then reference the sister's obit as the source. Mona > > I use bef, abt or aft quite a lot, for the reasons raised, because you know > one event but can't find the other. But I have always put just the year, as > in bef 1855. Now you have got me wondering if I should be more precise, as > in aft ddmmyyyy (in the non-American fashion). -- Mona Houser [email protected] Our Family -- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monajo/ Buffalo County NEGenWeb --www.rootsweb.com/~nebuffal/
Bill, Sorry. Sometimes my brain goes out for a snack and doesn't leave a forwarding address. In this case, I forgot the real name of this note. By "Note square" I'm referring to the note associated with a particular event/date/location, accessed by clicking on the square under the "N". (BK 6.6) For your situation where "she was born anytime from 1835 to 1842." "...double click the date field. Then a windows will open where you may enter a beginning and ending date. For example, a person may have had a certain occupation starting at one date and ending at another date. You can also use that window to enter a date range because you are not certain of a date. For example if you know a person died between 1980 and 1985 you may enter it in that window..." Roy On 3/27/2015 12:01 AM, Bill Webster via wrote: > Great topic John. But first, Roy, what is the "Note square"? [Do you mean > this?] If so, do these have special signification? And where do you put > it, in a note or in the Date column? > > I use bef, abt or aft quite a lot, for the reasons raised, because you know > one event but can't find the other. But I have always put just the year, as > in bef 1855. Now you have got me wondering if I should be more precise, as > in aft ddmmyyyy (in the non-American fashion). > > Which are the prefixes recognised by Gedcom? And does BK follow suit? And > do they need to be in CAPS? I seem to reflect the implicit imprecision by > putting them in lower case, as above. > > By the same token, when entering a wife, my practice is to enter her by her > family/maiden name, the name she was born with, in CAPS, but if I don't know > that name I enter her with her married/husband's name in Lower Case, again > to imply that it is not quite the full information. > > I am at present dealing with a case in point where I can't find this > woman's birth/baptism but there are 5 different other sources: shipping, > daughter's birth, husband's death, remarriage and death. From ages given in > these, she was born anytime from 1835 to 1842. I reckon the first three are > the most reliable because she was the informant but even these vary a lot. > Do I average them or put bef or aft? There is no right answer, I think. > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Roy Marriott via > Sent: Friday, 27 March 2015 12:27 PM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BK] How do you (discussion, not enquiry) express dates with > the BEF(ore) tag? > > > When using "CIR," "BEF," "AFT" I try to be as precise as the information in > my source(s), which is what I think you are saying in your comment. > Sometimes I can deduce something from a combination of sources, though I > can't think of an example right now, and try to document my reasoning. > Unfortunately, I may not have always been as careful. > > I understand and share your concern that there can be a potential for the > reader to infer a false accuracy with such precise dates. In some cases the > source information can help explain how the specificity of the date came > about. For example the obituary of person "A" can provide an "AFT" date for > the death of person "B" who survived person "A", but there is no way from > that source to determine by how _much_ after. It could be a day after (hence > the reason to include the known precision), or it could be several years > after. I try not to make assumptions, even though I'm sure that I have done > so in the past. > > Do you (or do other BKers) use the "Note square" to identify limitations, > qualifying information, or reasoning to support the "BEF"? > > Roy Marriott > > > On 3/26/2015 7:47 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) via wrote: >> There are times when I know something happened before a date: I >> sometimes wonder how precise I should be with the date. For example, >> say someone is known, on a specific date, to be a widow(er): >> obviously, the DOD of the spouse is BEF(ore) that date. But do I say BEF > ddmmyyyy? >> That's strictly _correct_, and on the whole is what I do, but some >> people seeing it might think it means they died quite close to it. >> >> I was just wondering how others express the date when they use BEEF. >> >> (Side idle thought: when the husband dies first, the wife is widowed, >> becoming a widow. When the wife dies first, the husband becomes a >> widower - so is he widowed, or widowered?) > Remember - Use the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >