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    1. Re: [BK] BK Digest, Vol 10, Issue 125
    2. David Youse via

    3. I'm not sure of the effect on gedcoms but I just enter spaces for the unknown parts of a date. So "June ?? 1814" is entered "06[space][space]1864". This prints out as "Jun 1864". Cir, Abt, Aft, Bef are entered just that way - "Cir[space]1814' or 'Abt[space]06[space][space]1814". I haven't found the need for quarters but if I did I would enter "Q2[space]1814". -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 3:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: BK Digest, Vol 10, Issue 125 To all Digest receivers: There are two forms of the "Digest" differing in appearance. The default is "Plain" and the other choice is "MIME" - if you would like to try the other view send a private message to me at [email protected] Today's Topics: 1. Re: How do I write month and year only? Now date entry generally. (Otto J?rgensen) 2. Re: How do I write month and year only? Now dateentry generally. (Andrew Jackett) 3. Re: How do I write month and year only? Now date entry generally. (Max van Dam) 4. Re: How do I write month and year only? Now dateentry generally. (Otto J?rgensen) 5. Re: How do I write month and year only? Nowdateentry generally. (Andrew Jackett) 6. Re: How do I write month and year only? Nowdateentry generally. (Andrew Jackett) 7. Re: How do I write month and year only? Nowdateentry generally. (Otto J?rgensen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 09:52:23 +0200 From: Otto J?rgensen <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BK] How do I write month and year only? Now date entry generally. To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, 17 Jun 2015 07:17:37 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John) via" <[email protected]> wrote: >In message <[email protected]>, Otto J?rgensen >via <[email protected]> writes: >[] >>In Norrway we recomend ddmmmyyyy >>thats giv >>1814 >>may 1814 >>17 may 1814 >[] >I think you have to enter the unknown characters, so for your examples >__ ___ 1814 or ____1814 >__ May 1814 or __051814 > >- if you just enter 1814, BK won't recognise it properly. I do not need to enter anything different from what I said in my message, We enter correct and the result is correct in gedcom We have made the correct description in our national helpfile to BK. It is a complete desciption of all items i "Option of BK" -- Otto J?rgensen http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/ All email is checked by NIS2014 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 20:38:38 +1200 From: "Andrew Jackett" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BK] How do I write month and year only? Now dateentry generally. To: Otto J?rgensen <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original To John Gilliver, There are two settings you can have in BK for dates. With one you can allow your input to be in a series of numbers or underscores and what you say is correct for that. It has to be in that format or it gets confused. The other option is to use your own formatting and then just a year on its own is OK. Year on its own is fine e.g. 1948 (or 197_ this meaning some year in the 1970's). You can also record for instance wedding anniversaries without the year stated by entering 6-Mar-____ for the 6th of March in an unknown year so the system is quite flexible. Andrew Jackett of New Zealand. -----Original Message----- From: Otto J?rgensenvia Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 7:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BK] How do I write month and year only? Now dateentry generally. On Wed, 17 Jun 2015 07:17:37 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John) via" <[email protected]> wrote: >In message <[email protected]>, Otto J?rgensen >via <[email protected]> writes: >[] >>In Norrway we recomend ddmmmyyyy >>thats giv >>1814 >>may 1814 >>17 may 1814 >[] >I think you have to enter the unknown characters, so for your examples >__ ___ 1814 or ____1814 >__ May 1814 or __051814 > >- if you just enter 1814, BK won't recognise it properly. I do not need to enter anything different from what I said in my message, We enter correct and the result is correct in gedcom We have made the correct description in our national helpfile to BK. It is a complete desciption of all items i "Option of BK" -- Otto J?rgensen http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/ All email is checked by NIS2014 Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 11:44:00 +0300 From: "Max van Dam" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BK] How do I write month and year only? Now date entry generally. To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I mentioned it already earlier why not ABT 15 MAY 1814, if the event has been MAY 1814 You give the correct information and it is o.k. for the gedcom. With my best regards, Max van Dam Rechovoth Israel http://www.maxvandam.info/ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of J. P. Gilliver (John) via Sent: 17 June 2015 09:18 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BK] How do I write month and year only? Now date entry generally. In message <[email protected]>, Otto J?rgensen via <[email protected]> writes: [] >In Norrway we recomend ddmmmyyyy >thats giv >1814 >may 1814 >17 may 1814 [] I think you have to enter the unknown characters, so for your examples __ ___ 1814 or ____1814 __ May 1814 or __051814 - if you just enter 1814, BK won't recognise it properly. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)[email protected]+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Play dirty. If a fellow contestant asks the audience if they've got any requests for what he or she should play, reply, "Yeah... Monopoly." Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 14:21:16 +0200 From: Otto J?rgensen <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BK] How do I write month and year only? Now dateentry generally. To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, 17 Jun 2015 20:38:38 +1200, "Andrew Jackett" <[email protected]> wrote: >To John Gilliver, > >There are two settings you can have in BK for dates. With one you can >allow >your input to be in a series of numbers or underscores and what you say is >correct for that. It has to be in that format or it gets confused. The >other option is to use your own formatting and then just a year on its own >is OK. Year on its own is fine e.g. 1948 (or 197_ this meaning some year >in >the 1970's). You can also record for instance wedding anniversaries >without >the year stated by entering 6-Mar-____ for the 6th of March in an unknown >year so the system is quite flexible. > the drawback is that if we use the standard form that gives us 17 mai 1814 and it is correct accoring to that, but the coverting to gedcom does not convert 17 mai 1814 to 17 may 1814 But if we use figures 170151814 that is OK, but then we have to convert the month of the date separately (wjat ever language) allso the abbr. as AFT BEF we ad before date isnot coverted to the word use is the language. Her we should hav BEF 17 may 1814 converted to f?r 17 mai 1814 -- Otto J?rgensen http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/ All email is checked by NIS2014 ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 09:35:44 +1200 From: "Andrew Jackett" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BK] How do I write month and year only? Nowdateentry generally. To: Otto J?rgensen <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Thanks for that, Otto. I can see your areas of need. If all the language were converted to one GEDCOM language for months and abbreviations and restored to the desired language from GEDCOM on the other end that would probably make a big difference. I was thinking if your number system allowed zeroes to be converted to underscores you could enter 23 April of an unknown year as 23040000 or April 1806 as 00041806. Another possibility might be to use 99031848 to be converted to registration date of (3) 1848 with the first four numbers starting 9901 going to (1), 9902 going to (2), 9903 going to (3), and 9904 going to (4) if this system was going to be regarded as universally acceptable for quarters of the year. Hoping that a later GEDCOM version may be able to cope with things like that. Just a thought. Andrew Jackett of New Zealand. -----Original Message----- From: Otto J?rgensenvia Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 12:21 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BK] How do I write month and year only? Nowdateentry generally. On Wed, 17 Jun 2015 20:38:38 +1200, "Andrew Jackett" <[email protected]> wrote: >To John Gilliver, > >There are two settings you can have in BK for dates. With one you can >allow >your input to be in a series of numbers or underscores and what you say is >correct for that. It has to be in that format or it gets confused. The >other option is to use your own formatting and then just a year on its own >is OK. Year on its own is fine e.g. 1948 (or 197_ this meaning some year >in >the 1970's). You can also record for instance wedding anniversaries >without >the year stated by entering 6-Mar-____ for the 6th of March in an unknown >year so the system is quite flexible. > the drawback is that if we use the standard form that gives us 17 mai 1814 and it is correct accoring to that, but the coverting to gedcom does not convert 17 mai 1814 to 17 may 1814 But if we use figures 170151814 that is OK, but then we have to convert the month of the date separately (wjat ever language) allso the abbr. as AFT BEF we ad before date isnot coverted to the word use is the language. Her we should hav BEF 17 may 1814 converted to f?r 17 mai 1814 -- Otto J?rgensen http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/ All email is checked by NIS2014 Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 10:18:39 +1200 From: "Andrew Jackett" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BK] How do I write month and year only? Nowdateentry generally. To: Otto J?rgensen <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Oops. My thinking was clouded. The use of zeroes instead of underscore characters was out. They have quite separate meanings in BK. Maybe CIR, ABT, BEF, AFT etc. and the numbers and the underscore character as well could all be acceptable input for working with the quick date display set of characters. I said last time: "I was thinking if your number system allowed zeroes to be converted to underscores you could enter 23 April of an unknown year as 23040000 or April 1806 as 00041806." What I should've said was instead of 23040000 for 23 April of an unknown year use 2304____ and instead of 00041806 for April 1806 use __041806 Andrew Jackett of New Zealand. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Jackett via Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 9:35 AM To: Otto J?rgensen ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [BK] How do I write month and year only? Nowdateentry generally. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 00:46:50 +0200 From: Otto J?rgensen <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BK] How do I write month and year only? Nowdateentry generally. To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 10:18:39 +1200, "Andrew Jackett" <[email protected]> wrote: >Oops. My thinking was clouded. The use of zeroes instead of underscore >characters was out. They have quite separate meanings in BK. > >Maybe CIR, ABT, BEF, AFT etc. and the numbers and the underscore character >as well could all be acceptable input for working with the quick date >display set of characters. > >I said last time: "I was thinking if your number system allowed zeroes to >be >converted to >underscores you could enter 23 April of an unknown year as 23040000 or >April >1806 as 00041806." > >What I should've said was instead of 23040000 for 23 April of an unknown >year use 2304____ and instead of 00041806 for April 1806 use __041806 > Rember that we are in non-english language countries and even the month are in BK and Gedcom for three characters as mai des not MaY Dec and AFT are ett We mus have it correct as we also print reports and for som reports we use full name of monthj as desember, not December The converting part in BK are at this point not perfect and John does know that as well as we in Scandinatian. The same are in other non-english language Using 00 XX __(underscaore) are not accroding to Gedcom and will make troubles withe eg. gedcom to MyH or Geni or similar webtree systems -- Otto J?rgensen http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/ All email is checked by NIS2014 ------------------------------ To contact the BK list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the BK mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of BK Digest, Vol 10, Issue 125 ***********************************

    06/18/2015 11:15:17
    1. Re: [BK] BK Digest, Vol 10, Issue 125
    2. J. P. Gilliver (John) via

    3. In message <[email protected]>, David Youse via <[email protected]> writes: >I'm not sure of the effect on gedcoms but I just enter spaces for the >unknown parts of a date. So "June ?? 1814" is entered >"06[space][space]1864". This prints out as "Jun 1864". >Cir, Abt, Aft, Bef are entered just that way - "Cir[space]1814' or >'Abt[space]06[space][space]1814". I haven't found the need for quarters but >if I did I would enter "Q2[space]1814". [] If you have entered a birth and a death date for a person, and one or both is in these various forms you have described, for which ones does BK show an age for the person (on the edit screen, between the "unknown" radio button for gender and the last-changed date)? When you say you haven't found the need for quarters, does that mean you have not used the birth, marriage, and death indexes for England (between 1837 and I think 1984)? -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)[email protected]+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf If you like making stuff there's always somebody ready to say that its ridiculous. But, actually, I don't think it is. In fact, enthusiasms are good. Hobbies are healthy. They don't harm anybody. - James May in RT, 6-12 November 2010.

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