On 10/16/11 11:16, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: > > Fairy Nuff. (I know not of whom you speak, BTW. Unless it's Nosmo > King - don't know if he did it by deed poll though.) > Since the person in question is living, name was withheld. However, a clue or two: born in 1947 and used to own a football club. BTW John ... I knew I might stir up a hornet's nest with my original observation but there's no way to please everyone. I agree that the 'Name Tab" scenario is not perfect but ... name something in life that is perfect! On the question of alternate names, my grandfather was born Samuel Charles but insisted on being called "Fred" (don't ask me why) by all and sundry. As they say,"Go figure." Harry C Jacobs SUDBURY, ON, Canada

In message <DFCB0265D837433A867C4E1928590E10@Dell4600>, John Steed <brothers_keeper@msn.com> writes: [] >If Smith Jones is the last name, then put Smith Jones in both the Last Name >and Sort Name fields on the Names tab. > >Then it will treat that like the last name when doing sorting. > >To FIND someone with a two part name, put [ ] around the name when >searching. So search for > >Charles [Smith Jones] > >and it will find that person that has Smith Jones in the Last Name field. > >(In BK5 you would put [ ] up in the Name field at the top, but with BK 6 >you put the last name in the Last Name field on the Names tab.) [] What is the reason you dropped the use of [] when moving from 5 to 6? I for one find several aspects of the use of the Names tab not at all intuitive. (That could be just me, of course.) Given that it's clear from the above that forename and surname are stored separately internally, is there any chance of you introducing a bar (a mullion?) into the basic Name box, to separate it into two boxes? (Possibly four, to allow for prefixes [like Dr. or Lord] and suffixes [like M. B. E., B. Sc., or callsigns], though it might be better to have those as fields in one of the tabs.) Certainly a lot of other places - including, for example, Ancestry - do this. Regards, John -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "Bother," said Pooh, as Eeyore sneezed the crack all over Owl.

To J P Gilliver You say it is clear that forename and surname are stored separately. However, that is not true. The Name field is stored as one field and it is not separated into parts. I intentionally designed the program to have one name field because I used the original version of PAF which required separate fields and I did not like having to press Tab or Enter between every part of every name. I have added separate fields for Last Name or Sort Name or other parts, because for certain names that is needed. Those extra fields are not needed for most names, so it saves time for most people to just enter a one part name field. If you like using [ ] around the last name like BK5 did it, then you can just keep doing it that way. It should still work fine. I added the new Names tab in BK6 because some users in some situations needed more than [ ] could accomplish. In some countries, the Last name is different from the Sort name. So using [ ] did not handle that situation. Also some people wanted to add more than one alternate name, so that is also done on the names tab. John Steed ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@soft255.demon.co.uk> To: <bk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [BK] Name changes - use "Jane name1/name2/name3" format? > In message <DFCB0265D837433A867C4E1928590E10@Dell4600>, John Steed > <brothers_keeper@msn.com> writes: > [] >>If Smith Jones is the last name, then put Smith Jones in both the Last >>Name >>and Sort Name fields on the Names tab. >> >>Then it will treat that like the last name when doing sorting. >> >>To FIND someone with a two part name, put [ ] around the name when >>searching. So search for >> >>Charles [Smith Jones] >> >>and it will find that person that has Smith Jones in the Last Name field. >> >>(In BK5 you would put [ ] up in the Name field at the top, but with BK 6 >>you put the last name in the Last Name field on the Names tab.) > [] > What is the reason you dropped the use of [] when moving from 5 to 6? I > for one find several aspects of the use of the Names tab not at all > intuitive. (That could be just me, of course.) > > Given that it's clear from the above that forename and surname are > stored separately internally, is there any chance of you introducing a > bar (a mullion?) into the basic Name box, to separate it into two boxes? > (Possibly four, to allow for prefixes [like Dr. or Lord] and suffixes > [like M. B. E., B. Sc., or callsigns], though it might be better to have > those as fields in one of the tabs.) Certainly a lot of other places - > including, for example, Ancestry - do this. > > Regards, John > -- > J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf > > "Bother," said Pooh, as Eeyore sneezed the crack all over Owl. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

In message <395E7BD9A44244A6B324799952B786DC@normae8cad86d8>, normajr@shaw.ca writes: > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Bibby" <johnbibbyjohnbibby@gmail.com> [] >> PS: I also have probs with e.g. Charles Smith Jones where "Smith >> Jones" is the family name >> > >For this problem my work-around is to use a "non-breaking space" between the >two (or more) words. This is made by using 'alt + 0160' on the number pad. >To the eye it is still two words but the computer reads it as one word and >on the search looks for Smith rather than Jones. [] That's clever! (Ctrl-Shift-space also does it in Word, but sadly not general Windows.) Unfortunately, most (all AFAIK) netbooks, and many laptops, don't _have_ a numeric pad. OK, one can add one, but IME it's fiddly to make it work properly (num lock on or off for example?) for entering special characters, quite apart from having the thing dangling about. For entering special characters, especially on something without a numpad, I recommend Diacrit - http://www.sandrila.co.uk/diacrit/; this is designed to help people who want to use specific languages (without reconfiguring their keyboard), but also has "languages" like maths, arrows, and so on. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "Bother," said Pooh, as Eeyore sneezed the crack all over Owl.

At 10:39 AM 10/16/2011, Bill MacDonald wrote: >Is there a method that I can determine from the source list, which >individual that particular source is attached to? Exit the edit screen, and go to File | Sources | Change Source Globally, then click the "Show everyone that this source is attached to" button. Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net

Undoubtedly, there will be many views on this subject but it seems to me that the name entered in the 'name field' should be the one by which the child was first known, i.e., since 1837 the one found on the certificate of birth. In the case of adopted children this may be difficult. The use of honorifics (Dr., Sir, etc., or academic qualifications) in this field is surely inappropriate since very few persons are likely to be born with titles. A certain well known entertainer who changed his name by 'deed poll' is still recorded in the birth index under his birth name. If he belonged in my family tree, his new name would be entered as "current name" under the name tab. Harry C Jacobs SUDBURY, ON, Canada

Thanks for the assistance. I just backed up the work I had been doing today and will now reduce my sources as suggested. Bill MacDonald

-----Original Message----- From: bk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of J. P. Gilliver (John) Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 7:16 AM To: bk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BK] Name changes - use "Jane name1/name2/name3" format? In message <395E7BD9A44244A6B324799952B786DC@normae8cad86d8>, normajr@shaw.ca writes: > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Bibby" <johnbibbyjohnbibby@gmail.com> [] >> PS: I also have probs with e.g. Charles Smith Jones where "Smith >> Jones" is the family name >> > >For this problem my work-around is to use a "non-breaking space" >between the two (or more) words. This is made by using 'alt + 0160' on the number pad. >To the eye it is still two words but the computer reads it as one word >and on the search looks for Smith rather than Jones. [] That's clever! (Ctrl-Shift-space also does it in Word, but sadly not general Windows.) Unfortunately, most (all AFAIK) netbooks, and many laptops, don't _have_ a numeric pad. OK, one can add one, but IME it's fiddly to make it work properly (num lock on or off for example?) for entering special characters, quite apart from having the thing dangling about. For entering special characters, especially on something without a numpad, I recommend Diacrit - http://www.sandrila.co.uk/diacrit/; this is designed to help people who want to use specific languages (without reconfiguring their keyboard), but also has "languages" like maths, arrows, and so on. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Why not just windows built-in Character Map? You can find it under Accessories --> System Tools Jim

Hi John I can't find this "new Utility to Compare two databases" - is this in 6.4 or only in 6.5? JOHN On 16 October 2011 01:52, John Steed <brothers_keeper@msn.com> wrote: > To John Bibby > > I am working on a routine to help with duplicates in one database. > > For now, you could make a Copy of that database in a new folder. Then run > the new Utility to Compare two databases, and put > 50 on the left and 550 on the right and see if it says they are exactly the > same. Then press the + + button to move both sides to the next person. > > At least you will see if they are exactly the same. You probably will not > want to copy anyone since you already have everyone on the left. > > John Steed > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Bibby" <johnbibbyjohnbibby@gmail.com> > To: <BK@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 6:19 AM > Subject: [BK] How to identify duplicates? > > > > Is there any way of identifying duplicate records e.g. on specified > > fields? > > > > I think I may have several sequences of records that are identical > > e.g. 400-450 and 600-650, but I don't know where each sequence > > starts. > > > > I also have some triplicates! > > > > I have done a List printout. (Is there any way I can get this in a > > Word file so I can edit it before printing?) > > > > I'd also like to check if e.g. records 50-60 are EXACTLY the same as > > 550-560. > > > > Thanks for any advice! (Total files is about 5000 records) > > > > JOHN BIBBY > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

I have BK 6.5.1 (Registered) Is there a method that I can determine from the source list, which individual that particular source is attached to? In my early days I entered too much in the master list. For example 1901 Census for Ontario, Canada I have 28 different listings. I would like to consolidate them to a single listing and show the detail information in the yellow box "Comments for this citation" Thanks Bill MacDonald

To John Bibby Put in the top Name field that name you want printed on most reports. Then click the Names tab in the middle of the screen near Notes, Pictures, Siblings. On the Names tab click Add Name at the bottom. In the first column pick the type of name you are adding and in the Name column put the first and last name that will be the alternate name. Then when you are Searching for a name you can turn on the option to also search for those Alternate names. If Smith Jones is the last name, then put Smith Jones in both the Last Name and Sort Name fields on the Names tab. Then it will treat that like the last name when doing sorting. To FIND someone with a two part name, put [ ] around the name when searching. So search for Charles [Smith Jones] and it will find that person that has Smith Jones in the Last Name field. (In BK5 you would put [ ] up in the Name field at the top, but with BK 6 you put the last name in the Last Name field on the Names tab.) John Steed ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bibby" <johnbibbyjohnbibby@gmail.com> To: <BK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 6:40 AM Subject: [BK] Name changes - use "Jane name1/name2/name3" format? >A very basic question - what name to use for people who changed their > names (whether by marriage or other) > > I like the format > > Jane name1/name2/name3 (using "/" as dividers) > > but this plays havoc with searches for "last name" etc > > JOHN B > > > PS: I also have probs with e.g. Charles Smith Jones where "Smith > Jones" is the family name > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

To John Bibby I am working on a routine to help with duplicates in one database. For now, you could make a Copy of that database in a new folder. Then run the new Utility to Compare two databases, and put 50 on the left and 550 on the right and see if it says they are exactly the same. Then press the + + button to move both sides to the next person. At least you will see if they are exactly the same. You probably will not want to copy anyone since you already have everyone on the left. John Steed ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bibby" <johnbibbyjohnbibby@gmail.com> To: <BK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 6:19 AM Subject: [BK] How to identify duplicates? > Is there any way of identifying duplicate records e.g. on specified > fields? > > I think I may have several sequences of records that are identical > e.g. 400-450 and 600-650, but I don't know where each sequence > starts. > > I also have some triplicates! > > I have done a List printout. (Is there any way I can get this in a > Word file so I can edit it before printing?) > > I'd also like to check if e.g. records 50-60 are EXACTLY the same as > 550-560. > > Thanks for any advice! (Total files is about 5000 records) > > JOHN BIBBY > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

To John Bibby I will send you a private message about this (because it is complicated and may confuse some people) John Steed ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bibby" <johnbibbyjohnbibby@gmail.com> To: <BK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 5:45 AM Subject: [BK] Adding flags - Is there a way I can flag all records for which the source contains the string "S1"? > Is there a way I can flag all records for which the source contains > the string "S1"? > > JOHN > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 15:30:53 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote: >Rev. Charles [Smith Jones] M. D. > >, i. e. you put the surname/family name in []. I think this ceased to >work under BK6, though. > >I can't at the moment remember how it either used to or does now deal >with prefixes and suffixes that aren't part of the name (I think it >recognises some common suffices like "M. D.", but I don't remember there >being any universal way to denote them though. I guess you can get round >it by using alternate names (and selecting "never print" if >appropriate), but it'd be nice if there was a way - perhaps (), [], and >{} could be used when entering (and the option of having the prefix and >suffix - and surname [or forenames] for that matter! - appearing in >selectable colours). > >Sorry, John, another few for the wishlist ... (-: There are rules about Prefix and Suffix. If I will go for any name "new additional facilities" it would be two different Items FIRST: Many person are born and bapt/chr with first and many second name before familyname as Otto Julian Chris Steed. This is the correct entering of name in order according to the Churchbook. But the person use Chris Steed. In this situation I would wish to have the nameused in bold for book reports (here Chris Steed) SECOND: Many names for our old relatives was writen in many ways and for the modern historyy those names are often mad "normalized" and it would be great if that was an "item" among the Alternative names and that we also could print this in Book reports eiter by itselves or additional to other name. -- Otto Jørgensen http://www.bkwin.info/ All email is checked by NORTON

In message <908j9756s98v7vpfbvmfbt2vum4a1otpcs@4ax.com>, Otto Jørgensen <otjoerge@online.no> writes: [] >>Sorry, John, another few for the wishlist ... (-: > >There are rules about Prefix and Suffix. > >If I will go for any name "new additional facilities" it would be two >different Items > >FIRST: >Many person are born and bapt/chr with first and many second name >before familyname as > Otto Julian Chris Steed. >This is the correct entering of name in order according to the >Churchbook. >But the person use Chris Steed. In this situation I would wish to have >the nameused in bold for book reports (here Chris Steed) If I understand you correctly, you mean the case where someone is given lots of forenames, and doesn't always use the first one: I would agree it would be useful to have the one s/he prefers to use, highlightable. > >SECOND: >Many names for our old relatives was writen in many ways and for the >modern historyy those names are often mad "normalized" and it would be >great if that was an "item" among the Alternative names and that we >also could print this in Book reports eiter by itselves or additional >to other name. I would like not to have to enter the surname for an alternative name unless it is different, i. e. have BK assume same if only one given (e. g. "John Frost, also known as Jack" - the "Frost" is a given). I've occasionally wondered why John designed BK with just one box for name, rather than one for forename(s) and one for surname(s) [and, thinking about it, ones for prefixes like Dr. and suffixes like honours, qualifications, and callsigns]. Perhaps this would get round all of the things I have raised, though your suggestion of it being possible to indicate which is the preferred forename would still need some indication - maybe the [], thus: forenames: Otto Julian [Chris] surname: Steed (with the [] being omitted if the person used the first one anyway). -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf For people who like peace and quiet: a phoneless cord.

I had a slightly different problem when my neice Annett became my nephew André . I changed the name in my data base to André , and put in a note "formerly known as Annette". At 12:08 PM 10/15/2011, Gilles de C. Paquette wrote: >It is best to use the name at birth when entering a person's >information. If you have unchecked the option "Wife keeps her maiden >name" under File of the main screen then Options then the tab Other, the >name will be changed to the husband's. > >You could also add alternate name(s) on the Names tab of the Edit screen >and set them to never print. Then, when doing a search, check the "Also >search alternate names" on the Find person screen to look for any >alternate name you have entered. These will be flagged with an " * " by >the birth year in the list. > >Gilles de C. Paquette > >Le 2011-10-15 06:40, John Bibby a écrit : > > A very basic question - what name to use for people who changed their > > names (whether by marriage or other) > > > > I like the format > > > > Jane name1/name2/name3 (using "/" as dividers) > > > > but this plays havoc with searches for "last name" etc > > > > JOHN B > > > > > > PS: I also have probs with e.g. Charles Smith Jones where "Smith > > Jones" is the family name > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to BK-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >email to BK-request@rootsweb.com with the word >'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 11:40:53 +0100, John Bibby <johnbibbyjohnbibby@gmail.com> wrote: >A very basic question - what name to use for people who changed their >names (whether by marriage or other) > >I like the format > >Jane name1/name2/name3 (using "/" as dividers) > >but this plays havoc with searches for "last name" etc I alway enter people with their name at birth, but under Alternative name I put the other name including error in spelling Christipher > Kristoffer > Christoffer etc So when using the program all names are activated -- Otto Jørgensen http://www.bkwin.info/ All email is checked by NORTON

In message <CAJQr389zy5RovOi-Pn2hBYKQf2f+DDkJkXr1Okkotfkq9Wy3KQ@mail.gmail.com>, John Bibby <johnbibbyjohnbibby@gmail.com> writes: [] >PS: I also have probs with e.g. Charles Smith Jones where "Smith >Jones" is the family name [] In BK5, there used to be an easy way for this - it was something like Rev. Charles [Smith Jones] M. D. , i. e. you put the surname/family name in []. I think this ceased to work under BK6, though. I can't at the moment remember how it either used to or does now deal with prefixes and suffixes that aren't part of the name (I think it recognises some common suffices like "M. D.", but I don't remember there being any universal way to denote them though. I guess you can get round it by using alternate names (and selecting "never print" if appropriate), but it'd be nice if there was a way - perhaps (), [], and {} could be used when entering (and the option of having the prefix and suffix - and surname [or forenames] for that matter! - appearing in selectable colours). Sorry, John, another few for the wishlist ... (-: -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf For people who like peace and quiet: a phoneless cord.

----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bibby" <johnbibbyjohnbibby@gmail.com> To: <BK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 3:40 AM Subject: [BK] Name changes - use "Jane name1/name2/name3" format? > > PS: I also have probs with e.g. Charles Smith Jones where "Smith > Jones" is the family name > For this problem my work-around is to use a "non-breaking space" between the two (or more) words. This is made by using 'alt + 0160' on the number pad. To the eye it is still two words but the computer reads it as one word and on the search looks for Smith rather than Jones. Norma

It is best to use the name at birth when entering a person's information. If you have unchecked the option "Wife keeps her maiden name" under File of the main screen then Options then the tab Other, the name will be changed to the husband's. You could also add alternate name(s) on the Names tab of the Edit screen and set them to never print. Then, when doing a search, check the "Also search alternate names" on the Find person screen to look for any alternate name you have entered. These will be flagged with an " * " by the birth year in the list. Gilles de C. Paquette Le 2011-10-15 06:40, John Bibby a écrit : > A very basic question - what name to use for people who changed their > names (whether by marriage or other) > > I like the format > > Jane name1/name2/name3 (using "/" as dividers) > > but this plays havoc with searches for "last name" etc > > JOHN B > > > PS: I also have probs with e.g. Charles Smith Jones where "Smith > Jones" is the family name > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >