To Howard Slatter When you are on Lists, Sources, there is that button near the bottom left, but instead of that, pick from the top menu, File, Show everyone the source is attached to, then there is an option for Preview.Pick Preview and then when that is showing, you can pick File, Print Current Page to print one page at a time. John Steed > Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:27:48 +0100 > From: haslatter@ntlworld.com > To: bk@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BK] List of people with given source attached > > From the list of sources, it's possible to select one and then "show > everyone that this source is attached to". However, I can't see a way > of saving or printing the resulting list, which is awkward. Is there a > way to do this? > > I'm using BK 5.5.12. > > Thanks. > > -- > Howard Slatter > Cambridge, England > > > Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When adding pictures to an individual on the PICTURES tab, there is a column headed SIZE. The help file says that you can set the print size of this picture using this column. Help files says "you can set the picture height to 1.2 inches or whatever size you want." My questions are: Do I need to add the word "inches" in this column? Do I need to always make it an X.X size, to distinguish it from just setting 5 in there, which the help file says will trigger an additional .5 inches to the picture? How does it know I want it to be a thumbnail of only 2 inches in height? Thanks for any input. Rick Beitler rabone@gmail.com http://chertyrock.blogspot.com Golf is a good walk spoiled. ~Mark Twain

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 17:29:09 +0100, "Michael Cant" <mickcant@freenetname.co.uk> wrote: >Hi all, > > I went through the "backup Data Files" process with a new blank CDR >in the rewriter drive and this error came up. > > > >Drive not available. > >If you have Windows Vista or Windows 7 then go to start, Computer, and >Right Click your CD/DVD drive and if there is an option to Format the >blank CD/DVD then pick that. > >I have not heard that a new CDR can be formatted? > >The format button is greyed out anyhow. > >It seems to be a "Brother's Keeper 6" report. > >I have burnt photo files to a CDR, so the DVD rewriter drive seems ok! XP was some different but as JS told a few days ago, you have in win 7 do a formating of the CD. Do that ad it works. It might be something about the backupsystem used for Win7 and may be JS have to buy an other add-in to have this to work different. But still it is no problem and JS have explained. An other way is that you can take the Backup to an other location on you PC and then move it to your CD or you can take the backup to a memony-sstick or an external had-drive -- Otto Jørgensen http://www.bkwin.info/ All email is checked by NORTON

Hi all, I went through the "backup Data Files" process with a new blank CDR in the rewriter drive and this error came up. Drive not available. If you have Windows Vista or Windows 7 then go to start, Computer, and Right Click your CD/DVD drive and if there is an option to Format the blank CD/DVD then pick that. I have not heard that a new CDR can be formatted? The format button is greyed out anyhow. It seems to be a "Brother's Keeper 6" report. I have burnt photo files to a CDR, so the DVD rewriter drive seems ok! System. AMD Phenom (tm) II X 4 965 Processor 3.40 GHz ASRock 96OGM- GS3 FX Or 96OGM-S3 FX Motherboard 6GB DDR3 1333Mhz DRAM ATI HD 5670 51MB GDDR5 DVI VGA HDMI Out Graphics Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64 bit Operating System Office 2007 Any suggestions Welcomed, Mick. Michael Cant Isle of Wight UK

Michael, BK is not really designed to do real CD backup. Do yourself a favor and buy a $20 portable USB DVD drive and you'll probably find a free copy of Nero Essentials included. Nero does real CD/DVD burning. BK's backup routine thinks it is writing to a large floppy (remember them;-) drive, so just like floppies it needs to be formatted in advance. Also did you ever try to read a non-MSDOS floppies on your PC? In other words, if you expect to use that backup CD on multiple computers with different operating systems stay away from formatted CD/DVDs. Jim -----Original Message----- From: bk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Cant Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:29 PM To: BK@rootsweb.com Subject: [BK] Burning Data Backup in BK 6.5.11 to a CDR Hi all, I went through the "backup Data Files" process with a new blank CDR in the rewriter drive and this error came up. Drive not available. If you have Windows Vista or Windows 7 then go to start, Computer, and Right Click your CD/DVD drive and if there is an option to Format the blank CD/DVD then pick that. I have not heard that a new CDR can be formatted? The format button is greyed out anyhow. It seems to be a "Brother's Keeper 6" report. I have burnt photo files to a CDR, so the DVD rewriter drive seems ok! System. AMD Phenom (tm) II X 4 965 Processor 3.40 GHz ASRock 96OGM- GS3 FX Or 96OGM-S3 FX Motherboard 6GB DDR3 1333Mhz DRAM ATI HD 5670 51MB GDDR5 DVI VGA HDMI Out Graphics Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64 bit Operating System Office 2007 Any suggestions Welcomed, Mick. Michael Cant Isle of Wight UK Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:11:14 -0500, "David Bartelt" <dybartelt@comcast.net> wrote: >John Bibby > >I might not be interpreting your question correctly since you have been on the board for quite awhile - but here is my answer to the critical question of how to handle sources which cover multiple individuals for what it is worth. > >The essence of the whole thing is what is choosen as the Master Source. This because way down the line it can difficult to change horses in mid stream. > >____ >Take, for instance, census data - I am in the US and don't have any experience with non-US census info so my whole approach might not work for a non-US census. I use the lowest census jurisdiction as the Master Source. > >Here is how I handle a census page which covers multiple individuals - the family (actual example): >The EVENT is CENSUS (family) - for an individual and spouse. > >MASTER SOURCE entry >Media - BLANK (I just don't use it) >Author (not printed) - BLANK >Title (printed) - 1870 U.S. Federal Census (Population Schedule), ILLINOIS, ADAMS, LIBERTY >Publisher / date (printed) - National Archives Microfilm Publication (Yes, I know HeritageQuest is the publisher but I imply that in the Repository and, ultimately the CITATION Page/Reel data) >Abbreviation (not printed) - 1870 U.S. Census ILLINOIS, ADAMS, LIBERTY >Repository - HeritageQuest (other relevant info added to subsequent page data for the Repository) >Actual text (not printed) - BLANK >Comments (not printed) - BLANK (Acutally I frequently use box to record what info and format goes into the other boxes) > >CITATION entry >Actual text for this citation (printed) - LINDEN, WILLIAM - Age: 52, Male, Race: WHITE, Born: NC, farmer >Comments (not printed) - as appropriate to the page, not the individual, rarely used. >Page/reel (printed) - HeritageQuest M593-186 Page 237B >Quality of data - BLANK (simply haven't been using) > >The citation on reports will look as: >[3] 1870 U.S. Federal Census (Population Schedule), ILLINOIS, ADAMS, LIBERTY (National Archives Microfilm Publication), HeritageQuest M593-186 Page 237B. > > >Notes on the above: >I started using HeritageQuest years ago so the Master Source and Citation data are geared to that source, thus, the location description and page (237B) will be different for any other source you might use for census data - just as with the data given by FamilySearch as their citation data. Even if I have to use FamilySearch to find or interpret HQ pages I default back to listing HQ as the source, in general. Just because. The 1940 census has caused me to add another Excel page (see below) for the Family Search census pages. > >When downloading the HQ census page you are presented with identifying data, in this case: >LINDEN, WILLIAM (1870 U.S. Census) >ILLINOIS , ADAMS, LIBERTY >Age: 52, Male, Race: WHITE, Born: NC >Series: M593 Roll: 186 Page: 237 >I copy and paste this into Excel and generate the MASTER SOURCE Title, Publisher and Abbreviation and the CITATION Actual text and Page/Reel - all of which gets copied and pasted into the BK template. Note that in CITATION Page/Reel the page number gets an A or B or... attached to it based on the page you are viewing - this I have to note and add to the Excel form when generating. Also, there are addition data, in this case the occupation of "farmer" (see CITATION entry, above) which I find on the census page and add to the CITATION Actual text after pasting from Excel - I also add [shorthanded] a bit) married, years married, number of children, widowed, immigrated year, birthplace of father/mother if these data are on the census page and add the EVENTS as appropriate using that entry in the CITATION Actual text. > >Note that the individual's name is actually: William Riley Lierle. >The name on the census data is likely transcribed incorrectly. The page is almost illegible. I likely had to search for this census data. And sometimes I use FamilySearch (or other) to do this. The benefit in doing so, if I get a match, is that I get their "opinion" of the "head of household name" spelling if I can't read the HQ data as well as names of household members along with other data. But since the source is HeritageQuest I use the spelling as used in the HQ records. > >Note also that in the case of this family, family members ended up spelling the surname differently. So, even if the name found on the HeritageQuest census page is spelled correctly it might not be the "family" name that I want to use in the BK FIND [F3] routine. So for this case, i.e., had the individual been using the spelling Lirely, I would use that name for the BK Name field but will put but "Lierle" in the NAME/SORT NAME tab on the edit screen. > >This becomes the MASTER SOURCE for the census source for that household. > >I then use the CITATION Actual text data (copy and paste) for other events. In this case I have estimated BORN DATE and LOCATION(abt 1818, North Carolina) and OCCUPAION (Farmer). > >For the other household members listed on the census page, I create a CENSUS (Individual) entry for the year and the Location/Description reading, in this example, "William Linden household" (note I keep the HQ census spelling). For the spouse, there is already an entry because I used the event CENSUS (family). For others I add the event CENSUS with the source simply added - no CITATION Actual text. Then for those individaul's EVENTS, I add, as appropriate, and manually enter available data under the event - making one CITATION Actual text entry with all available data (including the census firstname and middlename) and pasting that into the appropriate events. For instance, his daughter will have the data "Ann E, age 26, IL" in the BORN event with date being "abt 1844" and place being "North Carolina". > >Once that census page MASTER SOURCE is created and if there are other families on that page then that page is available to use as the MASTER SOURCE - you just select it out of the source list. >____ >I do use Find A Grave. For this the MASTER SOURCE is simply Find A Grave with the name and memorial number used to differentiate: >Media - BLANK >Author (not printed) - BLANK >Title (printed) - Find A Grave Memorials > Publisher/date (printed) - http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi >Abbreviation (not printed) - Find A Grave Online >Repository - Find A Grave Online > >CITATION entry >Actual text for this citation (not printed) - all data on memorial copied and pasted for the burial record. (Birth and death data only for those EVENTS. >Comments for this citation (not printed) - info as appropriate to explain discrepancies and whatnot. >Page/reel (printed) - William Riley Lierle, Memorial# 50676673, [18 Jul 2012], the [18 Jul 2012] being date last accessed >Quality of data - BLANK (simply haven't been using) > >There is a biography section on the memorial page which sometimes contains additional data - an obit for instance. This MASTER SOURCE is used for that info as appropriate. The obit might say the spouse died 4 years prior - so I have an estimated death date for the spouse. Or, survivors and their place of residence on the death date. Or deaths preceding which gives me "DIED bef dd-mmm-yyyy". Or whatever. I simply go to (or make) a BK entry for that individual using the Find A Grave master source AND "CITATION Page/reel" as the source for the entry. >____ >For emails, I make each email the MASTER SOURCE the singular email with the text of the email entered in the MASTER SOURCE - Actual text box. Other MASTER SOURCE boxes are: AUTHOR (printed) is the sender. TITLE (printed) is the email title (usually though I will change it to reflect the actual purpose of the email as required. PUBLISHER (printed) is "Email to David Y Bartelt, dd-mmm-yyy". COMMENTS (not printed) is as appropriate. For the CITATION data: Actual text (not printed) contains info relevant to the individual. Comments (not printed) is as appropriate. PAGE/Reel is generally blank and not printed - I used to put the name of the person (and then print it) to which the info refers but it is kind of redundant since this is on that persons page anyway. >____ >Message board posts are basically handled the same way an email is - the post, not the thread, is the MASTER SOURCE. >____ > >Using individual census pages, emails, message board posts, etc. will result in a long MASTER SOURCE listing but BK handles it well. The key is to be consistent in the abbreviations used because that determines how they are presented to you in BK. > >Hope this addresses the question and helps. I did proof this but I am short on time right now so if something looks goofy just comment on it. > >David Bartelt We use the upper part for the master source and the lower part for detail connected to part of the Mster source e.g. evemnts for a sertain person and evnt,m refering to the master source. Here it sems to me that there are a mix. :) But I may be wrong as I are not familar with all sources in US -- Otto Jørgensen http://www.bkwin.info/ All email is checked by NORTON

Maybe we can get John to add an export option to that screen. Jim -----Original Message----- From: bk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Howard Slatter Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:29 AM To: bk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BK] List of people with given source attached Thanks, Jim. Under Lists, Sources there is "Print list of all master sources" which isn't what I'm after. The "Show everyone . . ." button is what I was referring to, but there's no save or print option within that. However, I think I've now answered my own question: the way to do it is via Find, Word Search, Person, Source. That way I can print or create a csv file. Howard On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:00:10 -0400 Jim Dell wrote: > Howard, > Did you look under Reports then Sources then the option at the bottom > of the page? > Make sure you are in the main screen not the Edit screen. > > jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: bk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Howard Slatter > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 9:51 AM > To: bk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BK] List of people with given source attached > > Sorry - 6.5.12. > > Howard > > On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:39:59 +0200 > Otto Jørgensen wrote: > >> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:27:48 +0100, Howard Slatter >> <haslatter@ntlworld.com> wrote: >> >>> From the list of sources, it's possible to select one and then >>> "show everyone that this source is attached to". However, I can't >>> see a way of saving or printing the resulting list, which is >>> awkward. Is there a way to do this? >>> >>> I'm using BK 5.5.12. >> >> 5.5.12 >> or >> 6.5.12 >> or ? >> > > -- > Howard Slatter > Cambridge, England > > > Remember - Use the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > Remember - Use the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Howard Slatter Cambridge, England Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:50:57 +0100, Howard Slatter <haslatter@ntlworld.com> wrote: >Sorry - 6.5.12. > official downloaded from where? -- Otto Jørgensen http://www.bkwin.info/ All email is checked by NORTON

On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:27:48 +0100, Howard Slatter <haslatter@ntlworld.com> wrote: > From the list of sources, it's possible to select one and then "show >everyone that this source is attached to". However, I can't see a way >of saving or printing the resulting list, which is awkward. Is there a >way to do this? > >I'm using BK 5.5.12. 5.5.12 or 6.5.12 or ? -- Otto Jørgensen http://www.bkwin.info/ All email is checked by NORTON

Thanks, Jim. Under Lists, Sources there is "Print list of all master sources" which isn't what I'm after. The "Show everyone . . ." button is what I was referring to, but there's no save or print option within that. However, I think I've now answered my own question: the way to do it is via Find, Word Search, Person, Source. That way I can print or create a csv file. Howard On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:00:10 -0400 Jim Dell wrote: > Howard, > Did you look under Reports then Sources then the option at the bottom of the > page? > Make sure you are in the main screen not the Edit screen. > > jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: bk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > Howard Slatter > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 9:51 AM > To: bk@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BK] List of people with given source attached > > Sorry - 6.5.12. > > Howard > > On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:39:59 +0200 > Otto Jørgensen wrote: > >> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:27:48 +0100, Howard Slatter >> <haslatter@ntlworld.com> wrote: >> >>> From the list of sources, it's possible to select one and then "show >>> everyone that this source is attached to". However, I can't see a >>> way of saving or printing the resulting list, which is awkward. Is >>> there a way to do this? >>> >>> I'm using BK 5.5.12. >> >> 5.5.12 >> or >> 6.5.12 >> or ? >> > > -- > Howard Slatter > Cambridge, England > > > Remember - Use the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Howard Slatter Cambridge, England

Sorry - 6.5.12. Howard On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:39:59 +0200 Otto Jørgensen wrote: > On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:27:48 +0100, Howard Slatter > <haslatter@ntlworld.com> wrote: > >> From the list of sources, it's possible to select one and then "show >> everyone that this source is attached to". However, I can't see a way >> of saving or printing the resulting list, which is awkward. Is there a >> way to do this? >> >> I'm using BK 5.5.12. > > 5.5.12 > or > 6.5.12 > or ? > -- Howard Slatter Cambridge, England

From the list of sources, it's possible to select one and then "show everyone that this source is attached to". However, I can't see a way of saving or printing the resulting list, which is awkward. Is there a way to do this? I'm using BK 5.5.12. Thanks. -- Howard Slatter Cambridge, England

We have in BK great option to use and search for different name on persons. Among this facilities we can use Alternatives name. We can also search for names by the use of * and ? For location we have the same problem As examples I can mention Vedaaen or Vedåen During time the naming has been Wedt ohen 1617, ved Aaen 1627, Wedaaen 1647, Leruigaa 1666, Wedaae 1723, Vedaaen 1891 These way of spelling is used in sources of different kind. BK has yet no possibility to handle this and I should like very much that there was something similar to what we do for names or even soma better way. Additional the places are also during this time range connected to different county, and that do also make some problems I know we have "Details of Location", but that do no give any better help in use of the location. I can add the naming in the Note, but that is that. -- Otto Jørgensen http://www.bkwin.info/ All email is checked by NORTON

Yes, a bit of a mix in that I am singularly entering an email or message post as a MASTER SOURCE. But then again, many emails, or message board posts provide data on multiple individuals. And, in some cases with message boards posts it can be difficult or tedious to find them - thus a singular reference, which depending on the message board, may have a unique URL which can be used as the Page/Reel entry or at least so noted in the Actual test for the MASTER SOURCE. I considered using emails from one individual as a MASTER SOUCE but in most cases I have only one or very few from any one individual used as a source - so I just made them individual MASTER SOURCEs. BK handles the source lookup well IF you take the time to structure the Abbreviation consistently. David Bartelt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Otto Jørgensen" <otjoerge@online.no> To: <bk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [BK] Shared events On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:11:14 -0500, "David Bartelt" <dybartelt@comcast.net> wrote: >John Bibby > >I might not be interpreting your question correctly since you have been on >the board for quite awhile - but here is my answer to the critical question >of how to handle sources which cover multiple individuals for what it is >worth. > > ... >David Bartelt We use the upper part for the master source and the lower part for detail connected to part of the Mster source e.g. evemnts for a sertain person and evnt,m refering to the master source. Here it sems to me that there are a mix. :) But I may be wrong as I are not familar with all sources in US -- Otto Jørgensen http://www.bkwin.info/ All email is checked by NORTON Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Howard, Did you look under Reports then Sources then the option at the bottom of the page? Make sure you are in the main screen not the Edit screen. jim -----Original Message----- From: bk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Howard Slatter Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 9:51 AM To: bk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BK] List of people with given source attached Sorry - 6.5.12. Howard On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:39:59 +0200 Otto Jørgensen wrote: > On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:27:48 +0100, Howard Slatter > <haslatter@ntlworld.com> wrote: > >> From the list of sources, it's possible to select one and then "show >> everyone that this source is attached to". However, I can't see a >> way of saving or printing the resulting list, which is awkward. Is >> there a way to do this? >> >> I'm using BK 5.5.12. > > 5.5.12 > or > 6.5.12 > or ? > -- Howard Slatter Cambridge, England Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

-----Original Message----- From: bk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bk-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Cant Sent: 17 July 2012 11:04 To: bk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BK] Brother's Keeper program on Windows 7 64 bit in the add on XP Mode? On Tue, 17 Jul 2012 09:15:40 +0100, "Michael Cant" < <mailto:mickcant@freenetname.co.uk> mickcant@freenetname.co.uk> wrote: >On trying to install Brothers Keeper on my new Windows 7 64 bit computer. > >I have installed the latest version from the website it is registered. > >I followed Mr John Steed's advice to install it on the C drive but not >in "Program Files", and was then going to manually add the data to the >folder and use the "Global search and replace" method to change the >file path of the photos and media. > >But then realised that I also have the BK programme on mine and other >family's XP computer systems! > >If I make these changes and have my new Windows 7 64 bit computer as >the master one, I will not be able to easily update the XP ones! The program files should as a standard always install to C:\Program files\Brother's keeper 6 The data basen (your personal data can be located whatever you wish but recommend C:\Brother's Keeper 6\Data ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thank you Otto Jim and Otmar, I found my plans to make backing up to the XP computers from my Win 7 one getting too complicated for me! So I forgot all about XP mode in Win 7 and installed the B K Programme as you suggested And then used the "Global Search and Replace" All working ok and backed up. Thanks again, Mick. AMD Phenom (tm) II X 4 965 Processor 3.40 GHz ASRock 96OGM- GS3 FX Or 96OGM-S3 FX Motherboard 6GB DDR3 1333Mhz DRAM ATI HD 5670 51MB GDDR5 DVI VGA HDMI Out Graphics Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64 bit Operating System Office 2007

John Bibby I might not be interpreting your question correctly since you have been on the board for quite awhile - but here is my answer to the critical question of how to handle sources which cover multiple individuals for what it is worth. The essence of the whole thing is what is choosen as the Master Source. This because way down the line it can difficult to change horses in mid stream. ____ Take, for instance, census data - I am in the US and don't have any experience with non-US census info so my whole approach might not work for a non-US census. I use the lowest census jurisdiction as the Master Source. Here is how I handle a census page which covers multiple individuals - the family (actual example): The EVENT is CENSUS (family) - for an individual and spouse. MASTER SOURCE entry Media - BLANK (I just don't use it) Author (not printed) - BLANK Title (printed) - 1870 U.S. Federal Census (Population Schedule), ILLINOIS, ADAMS, LIBERTY Publisher / date (printed) - National Archives Microfilm Publication (Yes, I know HeritageQuest is the publisher but I imply that in the Repository and, ultimately the CITATION Page/Reel data) Abbreviation (not printed) - 1870 U.S. Census ILLINOIS, ADAMS, LIBERTY Repository - HeritageQuest (other relevant info added to subsequent page data for the Repository) Actual text (not printed) - BLANK Comments (not printed) - BLANK (Acutally I frequently use box to record what info and format goes into the other boxes) CITATION entry Actual text for this citation (printed) - LINDEN, WILLIAM - Age: 52, Male, Race: WHITE, Born: NC, farmer Comments (not printed) - as appropriate to the page, not the individual, rarely used. Page/reel (printed) - HeritageQuest M593-186 Page 237B Quality of data - BLANK (simply haven't been using) The citation on reports will look as: [3] 1870 U.S. Federal Census (Population Schedule), ILLINOIS, ADAMS, LIBERTY (National Archives Microfilm Publication), HeritageQuest M593-186 Page 237B. Notes on the above: I started using HeritageQuest years ago so the Master Source and Citation data are geared to that source, thus, the location description and page (237B) will be different for any other source you might use for census data - just as with the data given by FamilySearch as their citation data. Even if I have to use FamilySearch to find or interpret HQ pages I default back to listing HQ as the source, in general. Just because. The 1940 census has caused me to add another Excel page (see below) for the Family Search census pages. When downloading the HQ census page you are presented with identifying data, in this case: LINDEN, WILLIAM (1870 U.S. Census) ILLINOIS , ADAMS, LIBERTY Age: 52, Male, Race: WHITE, Born: NC Series: M593 Roll: 186 Page: 237 I copy and paste this into Excel and generate the MASTER SOURCE Title, Publisher and Abbreviation and the CITATION Actual text and Page/Reel - all of which gets copied and pasted into the BK template. Note that in CITATION Page/Reel the page number gets an A or B or... attached to it based on the page you are viewing - this I have to note and add to the Excel form when generating. Also, there are addition data, in this case the occupation of "farmer" (see CITATION entry, above) which I find on the census page and add to the CITATION Actual text after pasting from Excel - I also add [shorthanded] a bit) married, years married, number of children, widowed, immigrated year, birthplace of father/mother if these data are on the census page and add the EVENTS as appropriate using that entry in the CITATION Actual text. Note that the individual's name is actually: William Riley Lierle. The name on the census data is likely transcribed incorrectly. The page is almost illegible. I likely had to search for this census data. And sometimes I use FamilySearch (or other) to do this. The benefit in doing so, if I get a match, is that I get their "opinion" of the "head of household name" spelling if I can't read the HQ data as well as names of household members along with other data. But since the source is HeritageQuest I use the spelling as used in the HQ records. Note also that in the case of this family, family members ended up spelling the surname differently. So, even if the name found on the HeritageQuest census page is spelled correctly it might not be the "family" name that I want to use in the BK FIND [F3] routine. So for this case, i.e., had the individual been using the spelling Lirely, I would use that name for the BK Name field but will put but "Lierle" in the NAME/SORT NAME tab on the edit screen. This becomes the MASTER SOURCE for the census source for that household. I then use the CITATION Actual text data (copy and paste) for other events. In this case I have estimated BORN DATE and LOCATION(abt 1818, North Carolina) and OCCUPAION (Farmer). For the other household members listed on the census page, I create a CENSUS (Individual) entry for the year and the Location/Description reading, in this example, "William Linden household" (note I keep the HQ census spelling). For the spouse, there is already an entry because I used the event CENSUS (family). For others I add the event CENSUS with the source simply added - no CITATION Actual text. Then for those individaul's EVENTS, I add, as appropriate, and manually enter available data under the event - making one CITATION Actual text entry with all available data (including the census firstname and middlename) and pasting that into the appropriate events. For instance, his daughter will have the data "Ann E, age 26, IL" in the BORN event with date being "abt 1844" and place being "North Carolina". Once that census page MASTER SOURCE is created and if there are other families on that page then that page is available to use as the MASTER SOURCE - you just select it out of the source list. ____ I do use Find A Grave. For this the MASTER SOURCE is simply Find A Grave with the name and memorial number used to differentiate: Media - BLANK Author (not printed) - BLANK Title (printed) - Find A Grave Memorials Publisher/date (printed) - http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi Abbreviation (not printed) - Find A Grave Online Repository - Find A Grave Online CITATION entry Actual text for this citation (not printed) - all data on memorial copied and pasted for the burial record. (Birth and death data only for those EVENTS. Comments for this citation (not printed) - info as appropriate to explain discrepancies and whatnot. Page/reel (printed) - William Riley Lierle, Memorial# 50676673, [18 Jul 2012], the [18 Jul 2012] being date last accessed Quality of data - BLANK (simply haven't been using) There is a biography section on the memorial page which sometimes contains additional data - an obit for instance. This MASTER SOURCE is used for that info as appropriate. The obit might say the spouse died 4 years prior - so I have an estimated death date for the spouse. Or, survivors and their place of residence on the death date. Or deaths preceding which gives me "DIED bef dd-mmm-yyyy". Or whatever. I simply go to (or make) a BK entry for that individual using the Find A Grave master source AND "CITATION Page/reel" as the source for the entry. ____ For emails, I make each email the MASTER SOURCE the singular email with the text of the email entered in the MASTER SOURCE - Actual text box. Other MASTER SOURCE boxes are: AUTHOR (printed) is the sender. TITLE (printed) is the email title (usually though I will change it to reflect the actual purpose of the email as required. PUBLISHER (printed) is "Email to David Y Bartelt, dd-mmm-yyy". COMMENTS (not printed) is as appropriate. For the CITATION data: Actual text (not printed) contains info relevant to the individual. Comments (not printed) is as appropriate. PAGE/Reel is generally blank and not printed - I used to put the name of the person (and then print it) to which the info refers but it is kind of redundant since this is on that persons page anyway. ____ Message board posts are basically handled the same way an email is - the post, not the thread, is the MASTER SOURCE. ____ Using individual census pages, emails, message board posts, etc. will result in a long MASTER SOURCE listing but BK handles it well. The key is to be consistent in the abbreviations used because that determines how they are presented to you in BK. Hope this addresses the question and helps. I did proof this but I am short on time right now so if something looks goofy just comment on it. David Bartelt ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bibby" <johnbibbyjohnbibby@gmail.com> To: <BK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 2:21 AM Subject: [BK] Shared events > What is the best way of dealing with shared events e.g. census is a good > example, but I also have some legal documents that tie together 10 people > from an extended family. > > Thanks for any suggestions > JOHN BIBBY > Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What is the best way of dealing with shared events e.g. census is a good example, but I also have some legal documents that tie together 10 people from an extended family. Thanks for any suggestions JOHN BIBBY

At 06:11 PM 7/17/2012, John Gilliver wrote: >But you might trust a single source more for some things than others. That is a significant point. I have some nineteenth-century genealogical works that contain numerous errors concerning seventeenth-century families, but which are far more reliable concerning events that occurred within memory of those who were living when the books were written. Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net

I like the quality rating of 3 to 0 as it is, but can see the benefit in being able to globally change the rating for a common source. For example, I was given information many years ago from a fellow researcher overseas about a certain branch of my family to which I initially gave a rating of 1. As I checked the information I realised that he was wrong in many instances -- he said people were born in Lidlington Bedfordshire for example, but when I began checking for myself I could not find the events in the Parish Registers. So I downgraded every piece of information from this source to 0. It would have been useful to have been able to do that globally. All the best. Malcolm Webb mfwebb2005@btinternet.com <mailto:mfwebb2005@btinternet.com> -----Original Message----- From: bk-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bk-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of J. P. Gilliver (John) Sent: 17 July 2012 23:12 To: bk@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BK] Source - modify quality "rating" In message <5002FF1B.5080402@videotron.ca>, Gilles de C. Paquette <paquette.gdec@videotron.ca> writes: >Hi, > >Is it possible to globally change the quality of a source, lets say from >2 to 3? > >On the edit source screen, the lower yellowish section doesn't show up. >And when modifying a source for an individual, this modification made in >the yellowish section is valid only for this particular individual. >When one has a few hundred individuals sharing the same source with the >same "rating" change it becomes rather cumbersome to go through each one >individually. [] But you might trust a single source more for some things than others. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf a little bit of me still feels that some southerners think we northerners are issued at birth with doomed kestrels. - Alison Graham, Radio Times, 3-9/11/2007. Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message