I had the same problem in BK6 after a WIN10 update. After a lot of testing, I found: When WIN10 updates from build 1803 to 1809, this error is solid. It does not exist in BK7, so I installed BK7. But but but, when I started data conversion from BK6 to BK7. the same problem showed up again. Solution: 1. Remove the WIN10 build 1809 = downgrade to 1803. 2. Now run the BK6 to BK7 data conversion. 3. Re-install WIN10 build 1809. Now it works! Suggestion: If you are still on BK6, switch to BK7 BEFORE Microsoft automatically install build 1809. Best regards from Kjeld Nielsen ----- Original meddelelse ----- Fra: "Jude" <jude19@gmail.com> Til: bk@rootsweb.com Sendt: onsdag, 20. februar 2019 17:06:00 Emne: [BK] BK6.6 My friend who is using BK 6.6, windows 10, and has the following error *wbtrv32.dl. *Says it will not load correctly.. I tried the fixes on the BK web page and they did not work. I copied that file into BK and that did not work. She says it happened after a windows update and a virus program(AVG) that told her it was malware and so she did what they said. How can I correct this? Any suggestions will be appreciated. Jude _______________________________________________ Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search _______________e________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/bk@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
To Nick Higton The Edit screen will fit in a small window, but to get the smallest you need to Close the Edit screen, then from the main screen pick Help, 640 by 480, then click Edit again. (If if that is too small, pick 800 by 600 from the menu, and then click Edit) It checks the window size when it opens Edit and it will use the smallest font and smallest buttons when you start Edit at 640 by 480 In your case, you already have a larger Edit window and you are trying to make it smaller (after it was already large) and that does not work as well. Let me know if 640 by 480 works for you. John Steed ________________________________ From: Nick Higton <nick@higton.co.uk> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 1:05 PM To: bk@rootsweb.com Subject: [BK] Problems Resizing the BK Window I sometimes want to resize my BK window so it only fills part of my screen, so I can have another document open in the remainder. This is most useful when I'm transcribing images of gravestones, documents etc. However, as I reduce the window size, some unfortunate things happen. For example, on the person edit screen: When I reduce the width, first I lose one of the buttons along the top (add parents), and later the window starts to cut off on the right-hand side but without a scroll bar appearing at the bottom When I reduce the height, first I also lose one of the buttons along the top, but I also lose the buttons across the bottom even though there is loads of white space below the Events. Later, the window starts to cut off at the bottom but, again, there are no scroll bars showing. I think what is needed are, firstly, availability of a smaller font size and, secondly, introduction of scroll bars, for small windows Could John please look into whether more of the functionality could be retained when the window is reduced in size, please? _______________________________________________ Remember - Use the Archives at https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Farchiver.rootsweb.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fsearch&data=02%7C01%7C%7C17fff591b4444446a6be08d6cefee9aa%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636923991564166797&sdata=qLqMrzBkzAZCeARnqNvyYQO%2FjV1gSJ%2BizX1%2BbAU0Rbs%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Frootswebpref&data=02%7C01%7C%7C17fff591b4444446a6be08d6cefee9aa%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636923991564176802&sdata=UlHTgZ445zjv0Koem5M%2B1O4X6b5JzaR7wgwE6Jt9mMM%3D&reserved=0 Unsubscribe https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.com%2Fpostorius%2Flists%2Fbk%40rootsweb.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C17fff591b4444446a6be08d6cefee9aa%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636923991564176802&sdata=3o8vwmYEeM%2BE1eU54lcDn%2BGP8l2KD4wfIZyXs3uwCGA%3D&reserved=0 Privacy Statement: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2JWBOdY&data=02%7C01%7C%7C17fff591b4444446a6be08d6cefee9aa%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636923991564176802&sdata=eHeukONnFR2uPRfXSSj5mnnnDr3jPKGyHDRLFx8nQSg%3D&reserved=0 Terms and Conditions: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2HDBym9&data=02%7C01%7C%7C17fff591b4444446a6be08d6cefee9aa%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636923991564176802&sdata=ejyuWXQdULqvvuUih8VC3HlvLZkpAGAjuHVOOUrNdLs%3D&reserved=0 Rootsweb Blog: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frootsweb.blog&data=02%7C01%7C%7C17fff591b4444446a6be08d6cefee9aa%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636923991564176802&sdata=5jRbCmwxNhBj%2FOLfV%2BTO2llKSWuZoungACuNcmaxMdg%3D&reserved=0 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
I sometimes want to resize my BK window so it only fills part of my screen, so I can have another document open in the remainder. This is most useful when I'm transcribing images of gravestones, documents etc. However, as I reduce the window size, some unfortunate things happen. For example, on the person edit screen: When I reduce the width, first I lose one of the buttons along the top (add parents), and later the window starts to cut off on the right-hand side but without a scroll bar appearing at the bottom When I reduce the height, first I also lose one of the buttons along the top, but I also lose the buttons across the bottom even though there is loads of white space below the Events. Later, the window starts to cut off at the bottom but, again, there are no scroll bars showing. I think what is needed are, firstly, availability of a smaller font size and, secondly, introduction of scroll bars, for small windows Could John please look into whether more of the functionality could be retained when the window is reduced in size, please?
>In message <20190502003403.13441.68121@mmlive.rootsweb.com>, Jeff >Stewart <jeff1950@gmail.com> writes: >[] >>the WorldConnect Beta. NOTE the CIR tag is not valid for Gedcom files. >[] >Assuming that's CIR short for circa meaning about, is ABT valid? if so, >then presumably a global search-and-replace on the GeDCom file for >" CIR " (including the spaces so it doesn't change e. g. Cirencester!) >would keep things happy? The Gedcom 5.5 specification can be downloaded and reviewed. I have created a gedcom from BK and edited it so it would show no errors with the Microsoft Store GedCom Validator program. WorldConnect Beta shows gedcom not valid when I upload. I have sent two messages asking why the gedcom is not valid with no reply. On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 8:29 AM J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> wrote: > In message <20190502003403.13441.68121@mmlive.rootsweb.com>, Jeff > Stewart <jeff1950@gmail.com> writes: > [] > >the WorldConnect Beta. NOTE the CIR tag is not valid for Gedcom files. > [] > Assuming that's CIR short for circa meaning about, is ABT valid? if so, > then presumably a global search-and-replace on the GeDCom file for > " CIR " (including the spaces so it doesn't change e. g. Cirencester!) > would keep things happy? > -- > J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf > > "Purgamentum init, exit purgamentum." Translation: "Garbage in, garbage > out." > > _______________________________________________ > Remember - Use the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/bk@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >
In message <20190502003403.13441.68121@mmlive.rootsweb.com>, Jeff Stewart <jeff1950@gmail.com> writes: [] >the WorldConnect Beta. NOTE the CIR tag is not valid for Gedcom files. [] Assuming that's CIR short for circa meaning about, is ABT valid? if so, then presumably a global search-and-replace on the GeDCom file for " CIR " (including the spaces so it doesn't change e. g. Cirencester!) would keep things happy? -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "Purgamentum init, exit purgamentum." Translation: "Garbage in, garbage out."
> Just got this message back after reporting the error > " > Dear JIM, > > Thank you for contacting RootsWeb in regard to the WorldConnect Beta. > > We are sorry to hear that you received an error when trying to upload your > trees and we are happy to help. We apologize for the delayed response and > thank you for your patience. > > The WorldConnect trees are in beta and we are working out the bugs. We have > been experiencing intermittent issues and we apologize for any inconvenience > this has caused. We recommend attempting to upload your trees again. > > After uploading your GEDCOM file, we recommend logging out of your account, > waiting a few minutes and then logging back in. Logging out and back in > again will update the changes made to your account. It may take longer > depending on the size of your tree. > > We thank you for your patience as we work on restoring the WorldConnect > trees. If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let > us know. > > Kristy > RootsWeb Support Team > http://rootsweb.ancestry.com" Jim, thanks for posting this. I have sent two messages and no response. I used gedcom validator from the Microsoft store and it found error in the BK gedcom file that was created. Not sure what gedcom version BK uses and hope John Steed can answer that. I finally got a no errors with gedcom validator and the gedcom is still not valid when uploading the WorldConnect Beta. NOTE the CIR tag is not valid for Gedcom files.
Just got this message back after reporting the error " Dear JIM, Thank you for contacting RootsWeb in regard to the WorldConnect Beta. We are sorry to hear that you received an error when trying to upload your trees and we are happy to help. We apologize for the delayed response and thank you for your patience. The WorldConnect trees are in beta and we are working out the bugs. We have been experiencing intermittent issues and we apologize for any inconvenience this has caused. We recommend attempting to upload your trees again. After uploading your GEDCOM file, we recommend logging out of your account, waiting a few minutes and then logging back in. Logging out and back in again will update the changes made to your account. It may take longer depending on the size of your tree. We thank you for your patience as we work on restoring the WorldConnect trees. If there is anything else with which we might assist you, please let us know. Kristy RootsWeb Support Team http://rootsweb.ancestry.com"
If we enter " into the location field, BK copies the location from the nearest above line that _is_ a location. Very handy! Like many genealogists, I spend a lot of time working backwards: for example, I find a marriage, then subsequently the baptism/christening (which I insert above the marriage, as I expect most people would). The baptism is often in the same place as the marriage - people moved about amazingly little, as a rule, certainly in England in 17xx. It would be handy to have a similar shortcut to copy the location of the event _below_, same as the event _above_. Not sure what character - maybe v ? (It'd also be handy if " [and v if implemented] worked in the date column too - I often have several "events" [e. g. height, eye colour, etc. from an identity document, or occupation and resided from a directory or census] with the same date, but I think I've asked for that before and there was a valid reason not to implement it, that I've forgotten.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.
That's a great tip, John. Thanks! It is just what I need. Ruth On 26/04/2019 14:36, John Steed wrote: > To Ruth Wilson > > If the woman has multiple marriages, you could pick from the top menu Edit, Rearrange Spouses. > > It will show a chart with all of her spouses, and the marriage dates. > > Then just close it without making changes after you view it. > > John Steed > > ________________________________ > From: Ruth Wilson via BK <bk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 1:31 PM > To: bk@rootsweb.com > Cc: Ruth Wilson > Subject: [BK] Re: Siblings, step-siblings, half-siblings. > > On a related but different issue, I was just wishing that a person's > marriages all showed up on their screen irrespective of which spouse was > currently selected. For example, when I am trying to look up someone > (female) in 1939 register, I need to click on each spouse to see dates > of death and marriage to the next one to work out which surname to look for. > > Again, not a big deal, but inconvenient, and I am sure that it might be > complicated to program. > > Ruth > > On 25/04/2019 16:45, Jim Ramaley wrote: >> I touched on this topic in a post in March 2017 but I keep running into >> real life situations that beg for a solution. >> >> The question: Is there an easy way to show all siblings from an input >> screen (i.e., not as a report)? >> >> Just as a person can be a child in more than 2 families, many people have >> siblings other than full or even half -- that is, they are in families in >> which no natural parent is present. The standard definitions are: >> 1. Siblings share both parents, >> 2. half-sibs share one parent, >> 3. step sibs share no parents although some people do not distinguish >> between half sibs and step-sibs. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Remember - Use the Archives at https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Farchiver.rootsweb.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fsearch&data=02%7C01%7C%7C821d438945264feb3b5f08d6ca4b8c55%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636918823152654436&sdata=wFMdx%2F%2Bmb9dYW%2FYh47NYiMfb3aL290e9LWaWre0DS9A%3D&reserved=0 > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Frootswebpref&data=02%7C01%7C%7C821d438945264feb3b5f08d6ca4b8c55%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636918823152654436&sdata=T%2Bp11KjGhJwjetMYRdvTzF8aY5%2B0giz8NDnm%2F817NI8%3D&reserved=0 > Unsubscribe https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.com%2Fpostorius%2Flists%2Fbk%40rootsweb.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C821d438945264feb3b5f08d6ca4b8c55%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636918823152654436&sdata=uQvMdGS%2BWdYmaH2oVcD%2FkUgWkNDSF3GvWEw2qfKhr0Y%3D&reserved=0 > Privacy Statement: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2JWBOdY&data=02%7C01%7C%7C821d438945264feb3b5f08d6ca4b8c55%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636918823152664441&sdata=nHhNWmthTOai5g3IvzrvrADyZgfjhmDHGgGALxoaYy0%3D&reserved=0 Terms and Conditions: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2HDBym9&data=02%7C01%7C%7C821d438945264feb3b5f08d6ca4b8c55%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636918823152664441&sdata=D%2FnTjkx4fzkw1zE%2Be%2FMU94C1yGdJ3%2BVYV%2FotRzv4HOs%3D&reserved=0 > Rootsweb Blog: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frootsweb.blog&data=02%7C01%7C%7C821d438945264feb3b5f08d6ca4b8c55%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636918823152664441&sdata=z7zVLz9%2BAk8HNrY1Rq%2F6A%2BWWJxeAimQ3CU9UE7yPQM4%3D&reserved=0 > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/bk@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
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It is also a problem if a person have children With several partners. Then there is no screen or view to show all partners and all children Could more use of <F7>and <F12> be a possible option ? --- hilsen/regards Otto -#- Den 26.04.2019 21:02, skrev J. P. Gilliver (John): > In message <DM6PR02MB52897E75B6DB3E8A1ECF805D913E0@DM6PR02MB5289.namprd02.prod.outlo > ok.com>, John Steed <brothers_keeper@msn.com> writes: > >> To Jim Ramaley I will try to find a way to show all possible siblings from either parent from the Edit screen. > > [] > Would it be a similar part of thinking to find a way to show all children of a person? (Maybe excluding step-children, i. e. just natural ones?) > > (I often see that a child isn't shown, and go about adding it, only to find it _is_ already entered, but just only shows if a different spouse is selected.)
In message <DM6PR02MB52897E75B6DB3E8A1ECF805D913E0@DM6PR02MB5289.namprd02.prod.outlo ok.com>, John Steed <brothers_keeper@msn.com> writes: >To Jim Ramaley > >I will try to find a way to show all possible siblings from either >parent from the Edit screen. [] Would it be a similar part of thinking to find a way to show all children of a person? (Maybe excluding step-children, i. e. just natural ones?) (I often see that a child isn't shown, and go about adding it, only to find it _is_ already entered, but just only shows if a different spouse is selected.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Quantum particles: the dreams that stuff is made of - David Moser
If the child have childen, to what line shal they Connected? A foster familyt have no biological link to the parent of the fosterchild and should by that no be Connected. the children of the fosterchild should belong to the biological line. If there should be Connected children to the "fosterline" those children should be printed in some differebt format. I hav put that question several times to JS, without solution. hilsen/regards Otto -#- Den 26.04.2019 15:36, skrev John Steed: > To Ruth Wilson > > If the woman has multiple marriages, you could pick from the top menu Edit, Rearrange Spouses. > > It will show a chart with all of her spouses, and the marriage dates. > > Then just close it without making changes after you view it. > > John Steed > > ________________________________ > From: Ruth Wilson via BK <bk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 1:31 PM > To: bk@rootsweb.com > Cc: Ruth Wilson > Subject: [BK] Re: Siblings, step-siblings, half-siblings. > > On a related but different issue, I was just wishing that a person's > marriages all showed up on their screen irrespective of which spouse was > currently selected. For example, when I am trying to look up someone > (female) in 1939 register, I need to click on each spouse to see dates > of death and marriage to the next one to work out which surname to look for. > > Again, not a big deal, but inconvenient, and I am sure that it might be > complicated to program. > > Ruth > > On 25/04/2019 16:45, Jim Ramaley wrote: > >> I touched on this topic in a post in March 2017 but I keep running into real life situations that beg for a solution. The question: Is there an easy way to show all siblings from an input screen (i.e., not as a report)? Just as a person can be a child in more than 2 families, many people have siblings other than full or even half -- that is, they are in families in which no natural parent is present. The standard definitions are: 1. Siblings share both parents, 2. half-sibs share one parent, 3. step sibs share no parents although some people do not distinguish between half sibs and step-sibs.
the womn is not marriked to all the male at same time. The childres is not adopted by several paren ts at the same time. The child has from start Two biologicalparents. Later on the child might have one bilogical parent(person) (male/female) and one adopted(person)(male/female) There are only one Family that "take care" of the child at the same time. One have to see at the tikmeline. --- hilsen/regards Otto -#- Den 26.04.2019 15:36, skrev John Steed: > To Ruth Wilson > > If the woman has multiple marriages, you could pick from the top menu Edit, Rearrange Spouses. > > It will show a chart with all of her spouses, and the marriage dates. > > Then just close it without making changes after you view it. > > John Steed > > ________________________________ > From: Ruth Wilson via BK <bk@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 1:31 PM > To: bk@rootsweb.com > Cc: Ruth Wilson > Subject: [BK] Re: Siblings, step-siblings, half-siblings. > > On a related but different issue, I was just wishing that a person's > marriages all showed up on their screen irrespective of which spouse was > currently selected. For example, when I am trying to look up someone > (female) in 1939 register, I need to click on each spouse to see dates > of death and marriage to the next one to work out which surname to look for. > > Again, not a big deal, but inconvenient, and I am sure that it might be > complicated to program. > > Ruth > > On 25/04/2019 16:45, Jim Ramaley wrote: > >> I touched on this topic in a post in March 2017 but I keep running into real life situations that beg for a solution. The question: Is there an easy way to show all siblings from an input screen (i.e., not as a report)? Just as a person can be a child in more than 2 families, many people have siblings other than full or even half -- that is, they are in families in which no natural parent is present. The standard definitions are: 1. 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To Jim Ramaley I will try to find a way to show all possible siblings from either parent from the Edit screen. John Steed ________________________________ From: J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 5:38 PM To: bk@rootsweb.com Subject: [BK] Re: Siblings, step-siblings, half-siblings. In message <CAKqTvt-oVuxpTPvtu+ti66BVua50KHduV2ctqfQN4eFzXcUaZw@mail.gmail.com>, Jim Ramaley <james.ramaley@gmail.com> writes: >I touched on this topic in a post in March 2017 but I keep running into >real life situations that beg for a solution. > >The question: Is there an easy way to show all siblings from an input >screen (i.e., not as a report)? > >Just as a person can be a child in more than 2 families, many people have >siblings other than full or even half -- that is, they are in families in >which no natural parent is present. The standard definitions are: > 1. Siblings share both parents, > 2. half-sibs share one parent, > 3. step sibs share no parents although some people do not distinguish >between half sibs and step-sibs. > >Real example from today's email: > >Family group 1 consists of parents George & Judy and children George Jr. >and Michael. George & Judy divorce with George marrying Karen, creating >Family Group 2, and Judy marring Tom, creating family group 3. > >George Jr. is now in three family groups but BK does not allow this and so >the arrangement must be discussed in the notes, > >To add a fairly typical condition, suppose Karen had a child, Katti, from a >previous marriage to Alan and that George & Karen become the parents of a >child Tim. > >When the dust settles we have: >George Jr is: > (1) the natural child of George & Judy > (2) the step-child of Karen (who married George) > (3) the step-child of Tom (who married Judy) > (4) the half-sib of Tim (who is a child of George & Karen) > (5) the step-sib of Katti (who is the dau of Karen & Alan) > (6) the full-sib of Michael. > >In normal parlance, and in obituaries, the technical distinctions are often >omitted: George Jr is often shown simply to have sibs Michael, Tim & Kattie. > >The question is, can this be displayed on the screen when one is looking at >a family group? > >The answer is yes but it requires programming and the "two-family" limit >would have to be eliminated . One needs to look at all families in which I was unaware of the "two-family" limit. Can a child only have two sets of parents? I've noticed when adding a second set, the _type_ of parent is assigned separately for each parent, so in the event of one parent having a second spouse, I assumed I'd add that parent a second time, with that parent as natural again and the second spouse as step, and same again (the other way round) if the other natural parent remarried. But I've never actually tried it. >one of the principles (child, father, or mother) is present. But there are >complexities and consideration would have to be given as to exactly who the >user is looking at; that is, are you looking at George Jr's family group >(three groups! in which case you have sibs, half-sibs, and step-sibs), or >George Sr (two groups in which you have natural children & step children), >etc. > >One might argue that the issue could be resolved by declaring that a >step-parent is only the one who marries the custodial parent, but in the >era of joint custody even this idea fails. Especially if the natural >parent marries a second time after the death of the first step-parent. >Again, these are real situations. > >But I do wish for a solution. [] I fear it'll be a long time coming, because I suspect it would require a _lot_ of work. Much like my desire to have the ability to see all the children of a person (with maybe those not by the currently-selected spouse greyed or something). If anything, yours is even more complex, if my children one excludes step-children (but includes all natural children), which would be a start. If step-children _were_ included, I think it'd be as complex as your see-all-siblings desire. Ideally, the various types - of children (natural by selected spouse, natural by other spouse, adopted/step), and of siblings (full, half, or step), would appear in different colours and/or with different-coloured backgrounds, but such is not possible with the present graphics engine. So may have to wait for version 8 or beyond. -- J. P. Gilliver. 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To Ruth Wilson If the woman has multiple marriages, you could pick from the top menu Edit, Rearrange Spouses. It will show a chart with all of her spouses, and the marriage dates. Then just close it without making changes after you view it. John Steed ________________________________ From: Ruth Wilson via BK <bk@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 1:31 PM To: bk@rootsweb.com Cc: Ruth Wilson Subject: [BK] Re: Siblings, step-siblings, half-siblings. On a related but different issue, I was just wishing that a person's marriages all showed up on their screen irrespective of which spouse was currently selected. For example, when I am trying to look up someone (female) in 1939 register, I need to click on each spouse to see dates of death and marriage to the next one to work out which surname to look for. Again, not a big deal, but inconvenient, and I am sure that it might be complicated to program. Ruth On 25/04/2019 16:45, Jim Ramaley wrote: > I touched on this topic in a post in March 2017 but I keep running into > real life situations that beg for a solution. > > The question: Is there an easy way to show all siblings from an input > screen (i.e., not as a report)? > > Just as a person can be a child in more than 2 families, many people have > siblings other than full or even half -- that is, they are in families in > which no natural parent is present. The standard definitions are: > 1. Siblings share both parents, > 2. half-sibs share one parent, > 3. step sibs share no parents although some people do not distinguish > between half sibs and step-sibs. > > _______________________________________________ Remember - Use the Archives at https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Farchiver.rootsweb.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fsearch&data=02%7C01%7C%7C821d438945264feb3b5f08d6ca4b8c55%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636918823152654436&sdata=wFMdx%2F%2Bmb9dYW%2FYh47NYiMfb3aL290e9LWaWre0DS9A%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Frootswebpref&data=02%7C01%7C%7C821d438945264feb3b5f08d6ca4b8c55%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636918823152654436&sdata=T%2Bp11KjGhJwjetMYRdvTzF8aY5%2B0giz8NDnm%2F817NI8%3D&reserved=0 Unsubscribe https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.com%2Fpostorius%2Flists%2Fbk%40rootsweb.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C821d438945264feb3b5f08d6ca4b8c55%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636918823152654436&sdata=uQvMdGS%2BWdYmaH2oVcD%2FkUgWkNDSF3GvWEw2qfKhr0Y%3D&reserved=0 Privacy Statement: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2JWBOdY&data=02%7C01%7C%7C821d438945264feb3b5f08d6ca4b8c55%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636918823152664441&sdata=nHhNWmthTOai5g3IvzrvrADyZgfjhmDHGgGALxoaYy0%3D&reserved=0 Terms and Conditions: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2HDBym9&data=02%7C01%7C%7C821d438945264feb3b5f08d6ca4b8c55%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636918823152664441&sdata=D%2FnTjkx4fzkw1zE%2Be%2FMU94C1yGdJ3%2BVYV%2FotRzv4HOs%3D&reserved=0 Rootsweb Blog: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frootsweb.blog&data=02%7C01%7C%7C821d438945264feb3b5f08d6ca4b8c55%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636918823152664441&sdata=z7zVLz9%2BAk8HNrY1Rq%2F6A%2BWWJxeAimQ3CU9UE7yPQM4%3D&reserved=0 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
On a related but different issue, I was just wishing that a person's marriages all showed up on their screen irrespective of which spouse was currently selected. For example, when I am trying to look up someone (female) in 1939 register, I need to click on each spouse to see dates of death and marriage to the next one to work out which surname to look for. Again, not a big deal, but inconvenient, and I am sure that it might be complicated to program. Ruth On 25/04/2019 16:45, Jim Ramaley wrote: > I touched on this topic in a post in March 2017 but I keep running into > real life situations that beg for a solution. > > The question: Is there an easy way to show all siblings from an input > screen (i.e., not as a report)? > > Just as a person can be a child in more than 2 families, many people have > siblings other than full or even half -- that is, they are in families in > which no natural parent is present. The standard definitions are: > 1. Siblings share both parents, > 2. half-sibs share one parent, > 3. step sibs share no parents although some people do not distinguish > between half sibs and step-sibs. > >
In message <001d01d4fc06$ab2db610$01892230$@pycroft.co.nz>, Barry PYCROFT <barry@pycroft.co.nz> writes: >Jim, > This is a great topic. It presents as a conundrum for relational >database programmers. That is why the marriage event is often separate from >individual's events. > I have a suggestion for those programmers where children share a parent >presented in different families. >Have another column in the Children grid. The column might be colour coded - >but will contain the name of the parent with BK Number and clickable. (Just >like the location field). Or even two columns showing the Father in one and >the other for Mother. (With BK Numbers). > Having columns for both parents' BK numbers sounds a good idea (probably for both the "Children" and "Siblings" tabs). [Clickable a good idea too.] Colour would be nice, but we know (e. g. from discussion of the possibility of indicating quality in the Source column) that colour (either of text or the box fill) isn't possible with the current graphic engine. [] >One does need to be hard-hearted when it comes to descendancy. I think the >present blood-line chart is adequate. After all genealogy is the science of >procreation & heredity - a child with parents. I'm inclined to agree. Where biological parents are known, of course; where not, I can't see _great_ harm in leaving the adoptive (or whatever) ancestry in the tree - after all, we are doing that anyway where we have an error (of whatever origin) in our tree. And I'd be inclined to continue to let BK users decide for themselves which parents they designate as primary, even if we disagree with their choice. > > Barry P. [] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf There I was, sitting in a glum mood - 'Cheer up, things could be worse', he said, so I cheered up, and sure enough, things got worse.
Jim, This is a great topic. It presents as a conundrum for relational database programmers. That is why the marriage event is often separate from individual's events. I have a suggestion for those programmers where children share a parent presented in different families. Have another column in the Children grid. The column might be colour coded - but will contain the name of the parent with BK Number and clickable. (Just like the location field). Or even two columns showing the Father in one and the other for Mother. (With BK Numbers). I have a case of a woman bringing two girls from a prior marriage and a man bringing two boys also from a prior relationship marrying and spawn an only child in this second relationship for both. There are now five children, two girls are step to the two boys but all are half to the new born. From a DNA perspective, the new born will have DNA from his Mother as will the two girls. Likewise the two boys will share their Dad's DNA with the new born. AND the Y-DNA will apply to all males. The mtDNA will pass through the Mothers as before to the new born. One does need to be hard-hearted when it comes to descendancy. I think the present blood-line chart is adequate. After all genealogy is the science of procreation & heredity - a child with parents. Barry P. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Ramaley [mailto:james.ramaley@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 26 April 2019 3:46 AM To: bk@rootsweb.com Subject: [BK] Siblings, step-siblings, half-siblings. I touched on this topic in a post in March 2017 but I keep running into real life situations that beg for a solution. The question: Is there an easy way to show all siblings from an input screen (i.e., not as a report)? Just as a person can be a child in more than 2 families, many people have siblings other than full or even half -- that is, they are in families in which no natural parent is present. The standard definitions are: 1. Siblings share both parents, 2. half-sibs share one parent, 3. step sibs share no parents although some people do not distinguish between half sibs and step-sibs. Real example from today's email: Family group 1 consists of parents George & Judy and children George Jr. and Michael. George & Judy divorce with George marrying Karen, creating Family Group 2, and Judy marring Tom, creating family group 3. George Jr. is now in three family groups but BK does not allow this and so the arrangement must be discussed in the notes, To add a fairly typical condition, suppose Karen had a child, Katti, from a previous marriage to Alan and that George & Karen become the parents of a child Tim. When the dust settles we have: George Jr is: (1) the natural child of George & Judy (2) the step-child of Karen (who married George) (3) the step-child of Tom (who married Judy) (4) the half-sib of Tim (who is a child of George & Karen) (5) the step-sib of Katti (who is the dau of Karen & Alan) (6) the full-sib of Michael. In normal parlance, and in obituaries, the technical distinctions are often omitted: George Jr is often shown simply to have sibs Michael, Tim & Kattie. The question is, can this be displayed on the screen when one is looking at a family group? The answer is yes but it requires programming and the "two-family" limit would have to be eliminated . One needs to look at all families in which one of the principles (child, father, or mother) is present. But there are complexities and consideration would have to be given as to exactly who the user is looking at; that is, are you looking at George Jr's family group (three groups! in which case you have sibs, half-sibs, and step-sibs), or George Sr (two groups in which you have natural children & step children), etc. One might argue that the issue could be resolved by declaring that a step-parent is only the one who marries the custodial parent, but in the era of joint custody even this idea fails. Especially if the natural parent marries a second time after the death of the first step-parent. Again, these are real situations. But I do wish for a solution. _______________________________________________ Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/bk@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community
In message <CAKqTvt-oVuxpTPvtu+ti66BVua50KHduV2ctqfQN4eFzXcUaZw@mail.gmail.com>, Jim Ramaley <james.ramaley@gmail.com> writes: >I touched on this topic in a post in March 2017 but I keep running into >real life situations that beg for a solution. > >The question: Is there an easy way to show all siblings from an input >screen (i.e., not as a report)? > >Just as a person can be a child in more than 2 families, many people have >siblings other than full or even half -- that is, they are in families in >which no natural parent is present. The standard definitions are: > 1. Siblings share both parents, > 2. half-sibs share one parent, > 3. step sibs share no parents although some people do not distinguish >between half sibs and step-sibs. > >Real example from today's email: > >Family group 1 consists of parents George & Judy and children George Jr. >and Michael. George & Judy divorce with George marrying Karen, creating >Family Group 2, and Judy marring Tom, creating family group 3. > >George Jr. is now in three family groups but BK does not allow this and so >the arrangement must be discussed in the notes, > >To add a fairly typical condition, suppose Karen had a child, Katti, from a >previous marriage to Alan and that George & Karen become the parents of a >child Tim. > >When the dust settles we have: >George Jr is: > (1) the natural child of George & Judy > (2) the step-child of Karen (who married George) > (3) the step-child of Tom (who married Judy) > (4) the half-sib of Tim (who is a child of George & Karen) > (5) the step-sib of Katti (who is the dau of Karen & Alan) > (6) the full-sib of Michael. > >In normal parlance, and in obituaries, the technical distinctions are often >omitted: George Jr is often shown simply to have sibs Michael, Tim & Kattie. > >The question is, can this be displayed on the screen when one is looking at >a family group? > >The answer is yes but it requires programming and the "two-family" limit >would have to be eliminated . One needs to look at all families in which I was unaware of the "two-family" limit. Can a child only have two sets of parents? I've noticed when adding a second set, the _type_ of parent is assigned separately for each parent, so in the event of one parent having a second spouse, I assumed I'd add that parent a second time, with that parent as natural again and the second spouse as step, and same again (the other way round) if the other natural parent remarried. But I've never actually tried it. >one of the principles (child, father, or mother) is present. But there are >complexities and consideration would have to be given as to exactly who the >user is looking at; that is, are you looking at George Jr's family group >(three groups! in which case you have sibs, half-sibs, and step-sibs), or >George Sr (two groups in which you have natural children & step children), >etc. > >One might argue that the issue could be resolved by declaring that a >step-parent is only the one who marries the custodial parent, but in the >era of joint custody even this idea fails. Especially if the natural >parent marries a second time after the death of the first step-parent. >Again, these are real situations. > >But I do wish for a solution. [] I fear it'll be a long time coming, because I suspect it would require a _lot_ of work. Much like my desire to have the ability to see all the children of a person (with maybe those not by the currently-selected spouse greyed or something). If anything, yours is even more complex, if my children one excludes step-children (but includes all natural children), which would be a start. If step-children _were_ included, I think it'd be as complex as your see-all-siblings desire. Ideally, the various types - of children (natural by selected spouse, natural by other spouse, adopted/step), and of siblings (full, half, or step), would appear in different colours and/or with different-coloured backgrounds, but such is not possible with the present graphics engine. So may have to wait for version 8 or beyond. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Beatrix Potter was a bunny boiler. - Patricia Routledge, on "Today" 2016-1-26