To Dale H Cook OK, I will fix that. John Steed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale H. Cook via" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 10:21 AM Subject: [BK] Move Up/Down with New Source > While working with 7.0.50 I have noticed that, after adding a new source > to an event that already has a source, the Move Up / Move Down buttons are > grayed out, and I have to exit the source list and re-enter it in before I > can put the sources in order. > > Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; > Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project > Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net > > Remember - Use the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

While working with 7.0.50 I have noticed that, after adding a new source to an event that already has a source, the Move Up / Move Down buttons are grayed out, and I have to exit the source list and re-enter it in before I can put the sources in order. Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project Administrator of http://plymouthcolony.net

Thank you John, Split now done with your help. Mick. IOW, UK. -----Original Message----- From: John Steed [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 23 June 2015 19:37 To: Michael Cant; [email protected] Subject: Re: [BK] Can I split my database and keep the original BK Numbers To Michael Cant When it asks you to select the people, press F3 and a pop-up message will say that it will keep the same BK code numbers. John Steed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Cant via" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 1:21 PM Subject: [BK] Can I split my database and keep the original BK Numbers > Hi All, > > I am using a registered copy of BK 7.0.50 with 13129 names and > 4010 > families. > > > > After many attempts I have worked out how to split my database to create a > smaller tree from one person and keep all his descendants with spouses > parents. > > And keep all attachments. > > > > All is ok, except everyone has been renumbered, is there a way to keep the > original BK Numbers please? > > > > Mick. > > IOW, UK. > > > > > > Remember - Use the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

John, Now that you point it out, that's the behaviour I see. It's no real concern, just strange. Now that I know, it won't bother anymore. Thanks. Gilles Paquette Le 2015-06-23 20:36, John Steed a ecrit : To Gilles OK, it looks like it loads the dates when you start the program. If you then make changes, it still shows the date of the files when you started the program. After you stop the program and restart, it shows the new date. I will try to fix that. John Steed

To Gilles OK, it looks like it loads the dates when you start the program. If you then make changes, it still shows the date of the files when you started the program. After you stop the program and restart, it shows the new date. I will try to fix that. John Steed ----- Original Message ----- From: Gilles Paquette To: John Steed ; [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [BK] Dates don't match John, That's what I did today, I added two persons then I deleted someone in another family. I also modified a couple of names and birth dates , then I re-indexed the database to take into account the changed and added names. Gilles Paquette Le 2015-06-23 14:38, John Steed a ecrit : To Gilles Paquette On the Database Statistics screen, the date on the right is not the date it was indexed. It is the date that the date in the file was changed. In other words the date you added someone or modified a date, etc. John Steed

Hi All, I am using a registered copy of BK 7.0.50 with 13129 names and 4010 families. After many attempts I have worked out how to split my database to create a smaller tree from one person and keep all his descendants with spouses parents. And keep all attachments. All is ok, except everyone has been renumbered, is there a way to keep the original BK Numbers please? Mick. IOW, UK.

John, That's what I did today, I added two persons then I deleted someone in another family. I also modified a couple of names and birth dates , then I re-indexed the database to take into account the changed and added names. Gilles Paquette Le 2015-06-23 14:38, John Steed a ecrit : To Gilles Paquette On the Database Statistics screen, the date on the right is not the date it was indexed. It is the date that the date in the file was changed. In other words the date you added someone or modified a date, etc. John Steed

To Gilles Paquette On the Database Statistics screen, the date on the right is not the date it was indexed. It is the date that the date in the file was changed. In other words the date you added someone or modified a date, etc. John Steed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gilles Paquette via" <[email protected]> To: "BK - RootsWeb" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 1:05 PM Subject: [BK] Dates don't match > > Hi, > Today, tuesday June 23, I re-indexed my database after making a few > modificayions. Then I used the *Database statistics* feature and, in > the > rightmost column, it states that the operation was performed... > yesterday, > June 22. > I use BK 7.0.50 on a PC with Win 7 SP1 family edition. > Not significant, but confusing. > Thanks. > Gilles Paquette > Remember - Use the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

To Michael Cant When it asks you to select the people, press F3 and a pop-up message will say that it will keep the same BK code numbers. John Steed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Cant via" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 1:21 PM Subject: [BK] Can I split my database and keep the original BK Numbers > Hi All, > > I am using a registered copy of BK 7.0.50 with 13129 names and > 4010 > families. > > > > After many attempts I have worked out how to split my database to create a > smaller tree from one person and keep all his descendants with spouses > parents. > > And keep all attachments. > > > > All is ok, except everyone has been renumbered, is there a way to keep the > original BK Numbers please? > > > > Mick. > > IOW, UK. > > > > > > Remember - Use the Archives at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, Today, tuesday June 23, I re-indexed my database after making a few modificayions. Then I used the *Database statistics* feature and, in the rightmost column, it states that the operation was performed... yesterday, June 22. I use BK 7.0.50 on a PC with Win 7 SP1 family edition. Not significant, but confusing. Thanks. Gilles Paquette

In message <[email protected]>, David Youse via <[email protected]> writes: >I would enter the name as it was at the time of the event, and then make >note of any subsequent name changes in the Place's Note field . One of the disadvantages of doing that sort of thing is that, if you have events in the same place but at times when it had different names, if you then use the "list places and the events that happened there" function, they will appear in different parts of the list. Less of a problem if you don't use that function and never intend to. [] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)[email protected]+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Science isn't about being right every time, or even most of the time. It is about being more right over time and fixing what it got wrong. - Scott Adams, 2015-2-2

I would enter the name as it was at the time of the event, and then make note of any subsequent name changes in the Place's Note field . David Youse -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 3:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: BK Digest, Vol 10, Issue 128 To all Digest receivers: There are two forms of the "Digest" differing in appearance. The default is "Plain" and the other choice is "MIME" - if you would like to try the other view send a private message to me at [email protected] Today's Topics: 1. I can dream: something for BK version 10 ... place histories (J. P. Gilliver (John)) 2. Re: I can dream: something for BK version 10 ... place histories (Otto J?rgensen) 3. Re: I can dream: something for BK version 10 ... place histories (Heiko Ahlers) 4. Re: I can dream: something for BK version 10 ... place histories (Otto J?rgensen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 11:55:24 +0100 From: "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <[email protected]> Subject: [BK] I can dream: something for BK version 10 ... place histories To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed Would need the ability to enter place histories, though. A huge change! I'm using BK in the year 2045. I enter someone born say in 1950; I start to enter Newc, and select "Newcastle, Northumberland, England" from the choices that pop up. I enter their death in 2010. I select "same as above" for the location, and "Newcastle, Tyne & Wear, England" appears ... Similarly for places that change name rather than county (or country!): wasn't Brighton called Brighthelmstone at one point? And Aachen used to be Aix-la-chapelle, of course. It would avoid all the angst about how to enter placenames that have different names and details over history, but are the same place, if the prog. itself could be told about the changes (what and when), and automatically show the correct one for the event being entered. Well, I can dream, can't I - it won't be our concern (-:! -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)[email protected]+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf It's an artist's duty to bite the hand that feeds him... but not too hard. Grayson Perry, interviewed in Radio Times 12-18 October 2013 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:50:20 +0200 From: Otto J?rgensen <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BK] I can dream: something for BK version 10 ... place histories To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 11:55:24 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John) via" <[email protected]> wrote: >Would need the ability to enter place histories, though. A huge change! > >I'm using BK in the year 2045. I enter someone born say in 1950; I start >to enter Newc, and select "Newcastle, Northumberland, England" from the >choices that pop up. > >I enter their death in 2010. I select "same as above" for the location, >and "Newcastle, Tyne & Wear, England" appears ... > >Similarly for places that change name rather than county (or country!): >wasn't Brighton called Brighthelmstone at one point? And Aachen used to >be Aix-la-chapelle, of course. > >It would avoid all the angst about how to enter placenames that have >different names and details over history, but are the same place, if the >prog. itself could be told about the changes (what and when), and >automatically show the correct one for the event being entered. > >Well, I can dream, can't I - it won't be our concern (-:! Change of name and history to the location has been asked for , in a long time. You can add history f a lolcatikon at the present vesion of BK7, but it does not handle the fact the border of countries and smal and large area are merged during the time of livin.g The capital of Norway, Oslo was previous a litke place and then becomes Kristiania, before it then was renamed Oslo, and the naibouring area become a part of the new Oslo -- Otto J?rgensen http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/ All email is checked by NIS2014 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 21:29:41 +0200 From: Heiko Ahlers <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BK] I can dream: something for BK version 10 ... place histories To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Hello all, this might be easily possible if BK could link to some geographical database like GOV. And Aachen never "was" Aix-la-Chapelle, this still is just it's French name, just like Aken is it's Dutch name. The same goes for e.g. Liege which in Dutch is Luik and L?ttich in German. A good place name database could keep track of this. Yours Heiko Am 20.06.2015 um 12:55 schrieb J. P. Gilliver (John) via: > Would need the ability to enter place histories, though. A huge change! > > I'm using BK in the year 2045. I enter someone born say in 1950; I start > to enter Newc, and select "Newcastle, Northumberland, England" from the > choices that pop up. > > I enter their death in 2010. I select "same as above" for the location, > and "Newcastle, Tyne & Wear, England" appears ... > > Similarly for places that change name rather than county (or country!): > wasn't Brighton called Brighthelmstone at one point? And Aachen used to > be Aix-la-chapelle, of course. > > It would avoid all the angst about how to enter placenames that have > different names and details over history, but are the same place, if the > prog. itself could be told about the changes (what and when), and > automatically show the correct one for the event being entered. > > Well, I can dream, can't I - it won't be our concern (-:! ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 21:46:56 +0200 From: Otto J?rgensen <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BK] I can dream: something for BK version 10 ... place histories To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 21:29:41 +0200, Heiko Ahlers via <[email protected]> wrote: >Hello all, > >this might be easily possible if BK could link to some geographical >database like GOV. > >And Aachen never "was" Aix-la-Chapelle, this still is just it's French >name, just like Aken is it's Dutch name. The same goes for e.g. Liege >which in Dutch is Luik and L?ttich in German. A good place name database >could keep track of this. If one do doujbleclick to the field of location, there are many otion to add more information, I'm not happy with it total, but it is a step forward to what we want her. -- Otto J?rgensen http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/ All email is checked by NIS2014 ------------------------------ To contact the BK list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the BK mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of BK Digest, Vol 10, Issue 128 ***********************************

On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 21:29:41 +0200, Heiko Ahlers via <[email protected]> wrote: >Hello all, > >this might be easily possible if BK could link to some geographical >database like GOV. > >And Aachen never "was" Aix-la-Chapelle, this still is just it's French >name, just like Aken is it's Dutch name. The same goes for e.g. Liege >which in Dutch is Luik and Lüttich in German. A good place name database >could keep track of this. If one do doujbleclick to the field of location, there are many otion to add more information, I'm not happy with it total, but it is a step forward to what we want her. -- Otto Jørgensen http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/ All email is checked by NIS2014

Hello all, this might be easily possible if BK could link to some geographical database like GOV. And Aachen never "was" Aix-la-Chapelle, this still is just it's French name, just like Aken is it's Dutch name. The same goes for e.g. Liege which in Dutch is Luik and Lüttich in German. A good place name database could keep track of this. Yours Heiko Am 20.06.2015 um 12:55 schrieb J. P. Gilliver (John) via: > Would need the ability to enter place histories, though. A huge change! > > I'm using BK in the year 2045. I enter someone born say in 1950; I start > to enter Newc, and select "Newcastle, Northumberland, England" from the > choices that pop up. > > I enter their death in 2010. I select "same as above" for the location, > and "Newcastle, Tyne & Wear, England" appears ... > > Similarly for places that change name rather than county (or country!): > wasn't Brighton called Brighthelmstone at one point? And Aachen used to > be Aix-la-chapelle, of course. > > It would avoid all the angst about how to enter placenames that have > different names and details over history, but are the same place, if the > prog. itself could be told about the changes (what and when), and > automatically show the correct one for the event being entered. > > Well, I can dream, can't I - it won't be our concern (-:!

On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 11:55:24 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John) via" <[email protected]> wrote: >Would need the ability to enter place histories, though. A huge change! > >I'm using BK in the year 2045. I enter someone born say in 1950; I start >to enter Newc, and select "Newcastle, Northumberland, England" from the >choices that pop up. > >I enter their death in 2010. I select "same as above" for the location, >and "Newcastle, Tyne & Wear, England" appears ... > >Similarly for places that change name rather than county (or country!): >wasn't Brighton called Brighthelmstone at one point? And Aachen used to >be Aix-la-chapelle, of course. > >It would avoid all the angst about how to enter placenames that have >different names and details over history, but are the same place, if the >prog. itself could be told about the changes (what and when), and >automatically show the correct one for the event being entered. > >Well, I can dream, can't I - it won't be our concern (-:! Change of name and history to the location has been asked for , in a long time. You can add history f a lolcatikon at the present vesion of BK7, but it does not handle the fact the border of countries and smal and large area are merged during the time of livin.g The capital of Norway, Oslo was previous a litke place and then becomes Kristiania, before it then was renamed Oslo, and the naibouring area become a part of the new Oslo -- Otto Jørgensen http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/ All email is checked by NIS2014

Would need the ability to enter place histories, though. A huge change! I'm using BK in the year 2045. I enter someone born say in 1950; I start to enter Newc, and select "Newcastle, Northumberland, England" from the choices that pop up. I enter their death in 2010. I select "same as above" for the location, and "Newcastle, Tyne & Wear, England" appears ... Similarly for places that change name rather than county (or country!): wasn't Brighton called Brighthelmstone at one point? And Aachen used to be Aix-la-chapelle, of course. It would avoid all the angst about how to enter placenames that have different names and details over history, but are the same place, if the prog. itself could be told about the changes (what and when), and automatically show the correct one for the event being entered. Well, I can dream, can't I - it won't be our concern (-:! -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)[email protected]+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf It's an artist's duty to bite the hand that feeds him... but not too hard. Grayson Perry, interviewed in Radio Times 12-18 October 2013

In message <[email protected]>, David Youse via <[email protected]> writes: >I'm not sure of the effect on gedcoms but I just enter spaces for the >unknown parts of a date. So "June ?? 1814" is entered >"06[space][space]1864". This prints out as "Jun 1864". >Cir, Abt, Aft, Bef are entered just that way - "Cir[space]1814' or >'Abt[space]06[space][space]1814". I haven't found the need for quarters but >if I did I would enter "Q2[space]1814". [] If you have entered a birth and a death date for a person, and one or both is in these various forms you have described, for which ones does BK show an age for the person (on the edit screen, between the "unknown" radio button for gender and the last-changed date)? When you say you haven't found the need for quarters, does that mean you have not used the birth, marriage, and death indexes for England (between 1837 and I think 1984)? -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)[email protected]+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf If you like making stuff there's always somebody ready to say that its ridiculous. But, actually, I don't think it is. In fact, enthusiasms are good. Hobbies are healthy. They don't harm anybody. - James May in RT, 6-12 November 2010.

I'm not sure of the effect on gedcoms but I just enter spaces for the unknown parts of a date. So "June ?? 1814" is entered "06[space][space]1864". This prints out as "Jun 1864". Cir, Abt, Aft, Bef are entered just that way - "Cir[space]1814' or 'Abt[space]06[space][space]1814". I haven't found the need for quarters but if I did I would enter "Q2[space]1814". -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 3:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: BK Digest, Vol 10, Issue 125 To all Digest receivers: There are two forms of the "Digest" differing in appearance. The default is "Plain" and the other choice is "MIME" - if you would like to try the other view send a private message to me at [email protected] Today's Topics: 1. Re: How do I write month and year only? Now date entry generally. (Otto J?rgensen) 2. Re: How do I write month and year only? Now dateentry generally. (Andrew Jackett) 3. Re: How do I write month and year only? Now date entry generally. (Max van Dam) 4. Re: How do I write month and year only? Now dateentry generally. (Otto J?rgensen) 5. Re: How do I write month and year only? Nowdateentry generally. (Andrew Jackett) 6. Re: How do I write month and year only? Nowdateentry generally. (Andrew Jackett) 7. Re: How do I write month and year only? Nowdateentry generally. (Otto J?rgensen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 09:52:23 +0200 From: Otto J?rgensen <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BK] How do I write month and year only? Now date entry generally. To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, 17 Jun 2015 07:17:37 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John) via" <[email protected]> wrote: >In message <[email protected]>, Otto J?rgensen >via <[email protected]> writes: >[] >>In Norrway we recomend ddmmmyyyy >>thats giv >>1814 >>may 1814 >>17 may 1814 >[] >I think you have to enter the unknown characters, so for your examples >__ ___ 1814 or ____1814 >__ May 1814 or __051814 > >- if you just enter 1814, BK won't recognise it properly. I do not need to enter anything different from what I said in my message, We enter correct and the result is correct in gedcom We have made the correct description in our national helpfile to BK. It is a complete desciption of all items i "Option of BK" -- Otto J?rgensen http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/ All email is checked by NIS2014 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 20:38:38 +1200 From: "Andrew Jackett" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BK] How do I write month and year only? Now dateentry generally. To: Otto J?rgensen <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original To John Gilliver, There are two settings you can have in BK for dates. With one you can allow your input to be in a series of numbers or underscores and what you say is correct for that. It has to be in that format or it gets confused. The other option is to use your own formatting and then just a year on its own is OK. Year on its own is fine e.g. 1948 (or 197_ this meaning some year in the 1970's). You can also record for instance wedding anniversaries without the year stated by entering 6-Mar-____ for the 6th of March in an unknown year so the system is quite flexible. Andrew Jackett of New Zealand. -----Original Message----- From: Otto J?rgensenvia Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 7:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BK] How do I write month and year only? Now dateentry generally. On Wed, 17 Jun 2015 07:17:37 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John) via" <[email protected]> wrote: >In message <[email protected]>, Otto J?rgensen >via <[email protected]> writes: >[] >>In Norrway we recomend ddmmmyyyy >>thats giv >>1814 >>may 1814 >>17 may 1814 >[] >I think you have to enter the unknown characters, so for your examples >__ ___ 1814 or ____1814 >__ May 1814 or __051814 > >- if you just enter 1814, BK won't recognise it properly. I do not need to enter anything different from what I said in my message, We enter correct and the result is correct in gedcom We have made the correct description in our national helpfile to BK. It is a complete desciption of all items i "Option of BK" -- Otto J?rgensen http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/ All email is checked by NIS2014 Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 11:44:00 +0300 From: "Max van Dam" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BK] How do I write month and year only? Now date entry generally. To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I mentioned it already earlier why not ABT 15 MAY 1814, if the event has been MAY 1814 You give the correct information and it is o.k. for the gedcom. With my best regards, Max van Dam Rechovoth Israel http://www.maxvandam.info/ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of J. P. Gilliver (John) via Sent: 17 June 2015 09:18 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BK] How do I write month and year only? Now date entry generally. In message <[email protected]>, Otto J?rgensen via <[email protected]> writes: [] >In Norrway we recomend ddmmmyyyy >thats giv >1814 >may 1814 >17 may 1814 [] I think you have to enter the unknown characters, so for your examples __ ___ 1814 or ____1814 __ May 1814 or __051814 - if you just enter 1814, BK won't recognise it properly. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)[email protected]+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Play dirty. If a fellow contestant asks the audience if they've got any requests for what he or she should play, reply, "Yeah... Monopoly." Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 14:21:16 +0200 From: Otto J?rgensen <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BK] How do I write month and year only? Now dateentry generally. To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, 17 Jun 2015 20:38:38 +1200, "Andrew Jackett" <[email protected]> wrote: >To John Gilliver, > >There are two settings you can have in BK for dates. With one you can >allow >your input to be in a series of numbers or underscores and what you say is >correct for that. It has to be in that format or it gets confused. The >other option is to use your own formatting and then just a year on its own >is OK. Year on its own is fine e.g. 1948 (or 197_ this meaning some year >in >the 1970's). You can also record for instance wedding anniversaries >without >the year stated by entering 6-Mar-____ for the 6th of March in an unknown >year so the system is quite flexible. > the drawback is that if we use the standard form that gives us 17 mai 1814 and it is correct accoring to that, but the coverting to gedcom does not convert 17 mai 1814 to 17 may 1814 But if we use figures 170151814 that is OK, but then we have to convert the month of the date separately (wjat ever language) allso the abbr. as AFT BEF we ad before date isnot coverted to the word use is the language. Her we should hav BEF 17 may 1814 converted to f?r 17 mai 1814 -- Otto J?rgensen http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/ All email is checked by NIS2014 ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 09:35:44 +1200 From: "Andrew Jackett" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BK] How do I write month and year only? Nowdateentry generally. To: Otto J?rgensen <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Thanks for that, Otto. I can see your areas of need. If all the language were converted to one GEDCOM language for months and abbreviations and restored to the desired language from GEDCOM on the other end that would probably make a big difference. I was thinking if your number system allowed zeroes to be converted to underscores you could enter 23 April of an unknown year as 23040000 or April 1806 as 00041806. Another possibility might be to use 99031848 to be converted to registration date of (3) 1848 with the first four numbers starting 9901 going to (1), 9902 going to (2), 9903 going to (3), and 9904 going to (4) if this system was going to be regarded as universally acceptable for quarters of the year. Hoping that a later GEDCOM version may be able to cope with things like that. Just a thought. Andrew Jackett of New Zealand. -----Original Message----- From: Otto J?rgensenvia Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 12:21 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BK] How do I write month and year only? Nowdateentry generally. On Wed, 17 Jun 2015 20:38:38 +1200, "Andrew Jackett" <[email protected]> wrote: >To John Gilliver, > >There are two settings you can have in BK for dates. With one you can >allow >your input to be in a series of numbers or underscores and what you say is >correct for that. It has to be in that format or it gets confused. The >other option is to use your own formatting and then just a year on its own >is OK. Year on its own is fine e.g. 1948 (or 197_ this meaning some year >in >the 1970's). You can also record for instance wedding anniversaries >without >the year stated by entering 6-Mar-____ for the 6th of March in an unknown >year so the system is quite flexible. > the drawback is that if we use the standard form that gives us 17 mai 1814 and it is correct accoring to that, but the coverting to gedcom does not convert 17 mai 1814 to 17 may 1814 But if we use figures 170151814 that is OK, but then we have to convert the month of the date separately (wjat ever language) allso the abbr. as AFT BEF we ad before date isnot coverted to the word use is the language. Her we should hav BEF 17 may 1814 converted to f?r 17 mai 1814 -- Otto J?rgensen http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/ All email is checked by NIS2014 Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 10:18:39 +1200 From: "Andrew Jackett" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BK] How do I write month and year only? Nowdateentry generally. To: Otto J?rgensen <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Oops. My thinking was clouded. The use of zeroes instead of underscore characters was out. They have quite separate meanings in BK. Maybe CIR, ABT, BEF, AFT etc. and the numbers and the underscore character as well could all be acceptable input for working with the quick date display set of characters. I said last time: "I was thinking if your number system allowed zeroes to be converted to underscores you could enter 23 April of an unknown year as 23040000 or April 1806 as 00041806." What I should've said was instead of 23040000 for 23 April of an unknown year use 2304____ and instead of 00041806 for April 1806 use __041806 Andrew Jackett of New Zealand. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Jackett via Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 9:35 AM To: Otto J?rgensen ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [BK] How do I write month and year only? Nowdateentry generally. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 00:46:50 +0200 From: Otto J?rgensen <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BK] How do I write month and year only? Nowdateentry generally. To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, 18 Jun 2015 10:18:39 +1200, "Andrew Jackett" <[email protected]> wrote: >Oops. My thinking was clouded. The use of zeroes instead of underscore >characters was out. They have quite separate meanings in BK. > >Maybe CIR, ABT, BEF, AFT etc. and the numbers and the underscore character >as well could all be acceptable input for working with the quick date >display set of characters. > >I said last time: "I was thinking if your number system allowed zeroes to >be >converted to >underscores you could enter 23 April of an unknown year as 23040000 or >April >1806 as 00041806." > >What I should've said was instead of 23040000 for 23 April of an unknown >year use 2304____ and instead of 00041806 for April 1806 use __041806 > Rember that we are in non-english language countries and even the month are in BK and Gedcom for three characters as mai des not MaY Dec and AFT are ett We mus have it correct as we also print reports and for som reports we use full name of monthj as desember, not December The converting part in BK are at this point not perfect and John does know that as well as we in Scandinatian. The same are in other non-english language Using 00 XX __(underscaore) are not accroding to Gedcom and will make troubles withe eg. gedcom to MyH or Geni or similar webtree systems -- Otto J?rgensen http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/ All email is checked by NIS2014 ------------------------------ To contact the BK list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the BK mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of BK Digest, Vol 10, Issue 125 ***********************************

Oops. My thinking was clouded. The use of zeroes instead of underscore characters was out. They have quite separate meanings in BK. Maybe CIR, ABT, BEF, AFT etc. and the numbers and the underscore character as well could all be acceptable input for working with the quick date display set of characters. I said last time: "I was thinking if your number system allowed zeroes to be converted to underscores you could enter 23 April of an unknown year as 23040000 or April 1806 as 00041806." What I should've said was instead of 23040000 for 23 April of an unknown year use 2304____ and instead of 00041806 for April 1806 use __041806 Andrew Jackett of New Zealand. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Jackett via Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 9:35 AM To: Otto Jørgensen ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [BK] How do I write month and year only? Nowdateentry generally.

Thanks for that, Otto. I can see your areas of need. If all the language were converted to one GEDCOM language for months and abbreviations and restored to the desired language from GEDCOM on the other end that would probably make a big difference. I was thinking if your number system allowed zeroes to be converted to underscores you could enter 23 April of an unknown year as 23040000 or April 1806 as 00041806. Another possibility might be to use 99031848 to be converted to registration date of (3) 1848 with the first four numbers starting 9901 going to (1), 9902 going to (2), 9903 going to (3), and 9904 going to (4) if this system was going to be regarded as universally acceptable for quarters of the year. Hoping that a later GEDCOM version may be able to cope with things like that. Just a thought. Andrew Jackett of New Zealand. -----Original Message----- From: Otto Jørgensenvia Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 12:21 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BK] How do I write month and year only? Nowdateentry generally. On Wed, 17 Jun 2015 20:38:38 +1200, "Andrew Jackett" <[email protected]> wrote: >To John Gilliver, > >There are two settings you can have in BK for dates. With one you can >allow >your input to be in a series of numbers or underscores and what you say is >correct for that. It has to be in that format or it gets confused. The >other option is to use your own formatting and then just a year on its own >is OK. Year on its own is fine e.g. 1948 (or 197_ this meaning some year >in >the 1970's). You can also record for instance wedding anniversaries >without >the year stated by entering 6-Mar-____ for the 6th of March in an unknown >year so the system is quite flexible. > the drawback is that if we use the standard form that gives us 17 mai 1814 and it is correct accoring to that, but the coverting to gedcom does not convert 17 mai 1814 to 17 may 1814 But if we use figures 170151814 that is OK, but then we have to convert the month of the date separately (wjat ever language) allso the abbr. as AFT BEF we ad before date isnot coverted to the word use is the language. Her we should hav BEF 17 may 1814 converted to før 17 mai 1814 -- Otto Jørgensen http://home.online.no/~otjoerge/ All email is checked by NIS2014 Remember - Use the Archives at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message