John, I also have a relative, my great grandmother, born in 1850, the same year as yours who doesn't seem to possess a birth certificate either. One census says she is born in Birkenhead, another says Hoylake. I had a researcher investigate a few years ago and he could find no baptismal record either. I am wondering how you went about finding your information from the Birkenhead News? Sandy Stokes in Ontario, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Farrall" <jfarrall@cox.rr.com> To: <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 5:38 PM Subject: [BKHD] Missing Birthdates Listers, I am puzzled. Somebody educate me. I have a great grandfather, born c. 1852, great grandmother, born exactly 6 June 1850 (according to the Birkenhead News) and two great aunts, born c 1873 and 1883, who's birth records (date and place of birth) do not officially exist. That doesn't puzzle me as much as how someone could spent a 70 - 100 year lifespan and NOT have to record ones date and place of birth somewhere. Weren't there SOME documents, registrations (like school), rental papers, or other type documents where one must list their birthdates or where they were born? How was employment handled? Were there wages taxed? Did they register to vote - How? How did they obtain housing? Did they just come out of the woods and smile? I am looking for other options or venues to obtain birthdates. Any "out of the envelope" ideas? Maybe I am just too used to having to produce an identification document several times daily. I would appreciate any unique ideas or sugg! estions. Thanks! Moving Forward With Glacial Speed, John Farrall Burke, Virginia Researching: FARRALL, DAWSON, WHITEHEAD, HALL, ROBERTS, BRAITHWAITE, BEBINGTON, GREEN, FERGUSSON, WHITE ______________________________

Sandy, The only information our family in the US had on our great grandmother was a Birkenhead News clipping mentioning her 100th birthday on 6 June 1950 and that there was to be a big celebration at the home of her unmarried daughter, Susan. They mentioned her husband having died in 1911, which was incorrect - he died in 1906. They gave a numerical count of her children. grandchildren and great grandchildren. They also mentioned the congratulatory telegram from King George. That is all the information any of my family had. How she knew when she was born is beyond me! I had three separate individuals, in England, research the official records to no avail. I personally sent a letter and an application to the GRO and it came back with a note that the information was not on file. John Farrall Burke, Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Stokes" <sandystokes@cogeco.ca> To: <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [BKHD] Missing Birthdates > John, > > I also have a relative, my great grandmother, born in 1850, the same year as > yours who doesn't seem to possess a birth certificate either. One census > says she is born in Birkenhead, another says Hoylake. I had a researcher > investigate a few years ago and he could find no baptismal record either. I > am wondering how you went about finding your information from the Birkenhead > News? > > Sandy Stokes in Ontario, Canada > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Farrall" <jfarrall@cox.rr.com> > To: <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 5:38 PM > Subject: [BKHD] Missing Birthdates > > > Listers, > I am puzzled. Somebody educate me. I have a great grandfather, born c. > 1852, great grandmother, born exactly 6 June 1850 (according to the > Birkenhead News) and two great aunts, born c 1873 and 1883, who's birth > records (date and place of birth) do not officially exist. That doesn't > puzzle me as much as how someone could spent a 70 - 100 year lifespan and > NOT have to record ones date and place of birth somewhere. Weren't there > SOME documents, registrations (like school), rental papers, or other type > documents where one must list their birthdates or where they were born? How > was employment handled? Were there wages taxed? Did they register to > vote - How? How did they obtain housing? Did they just come out of the > woods and smile? I am looking for other options or venues to obtain > birthdates. Any "out of the envelope" ideas? Maybe I am just too used to > having to produce an identification document several times daily. I would > appreciate any unique ideas or sugg! > estions. Thanks! > > Moving Forward With Glacial Speed, > John Farrall > Burke, Virginia > > Researching: FARRALL, DAWSON, WHITEHEAD, HALL, ROBERTS, BRAITHWAITE, > BEBINGTON, GREEN, FERGUSSON, WHITE > > ______________________________ > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > To contact the administrator of this mailing list, send mail to > BIRKENHEAD-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >