Hi John, It's definitely not the Harvest Mouse. That's right at the other end of Irby Road, on the junction of Pensby Road and Whitfield Lane. One of my old haunts, but much more often at the Black Horse in Lower Heswall. I lived opposite the Boys' school, then moved along Irby Road just a couple of hundred meters from the Harvest Mouse. The Anchor was near to Irby Hall, then the Labour Club (?) was just up along Thingwall Road I think just passed the row of shops. Then I seem to remember a white building on the corner of Irby Road and Thingwall Road opposite Irby Hall. Irby Hall used to have the old war planes round the back, and the cows in the field at the side. Then on the opposite side of Irby and Thingwall Roads was the library. Perhaps the drink has affected my memory!! You'll have to check it out for me! Helen Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Oliver" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN,POVALL,BARLOW. > Hello helen, > I think we must be thinking about two different places, > the > one I meant was at Irby crossroads. I'll go and have look at the area you > mean tomorrow, I think it may be the Harvest Mouse, it's a Pub made to > look > like a windmill, that may be the one. Regards John Oliver (Upton, Wirral > UK) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lavendersblue" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 6:36 PM > Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. > WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN, > POVALL,BARLOW. > > >> Hi John, >> Just trying to get my barings. This must be on the corner of Irby Road >> and >> Thingwall Road, opposite Irby Hall? >> >> Helen >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Oliver" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 6:29 PM >> Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. >> > WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN, > POVALL,BARLOW. >> >> >> > Hello Helen, >> > I think you're talking about Irby Mill Inn, >> > it used to be a mill a long time ago, then it was Lumsden's Cafe, just >> > before and after the War. It was converted to an Inn (tavern) in the >> > 1980s(approx). Regards John Oliver >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "barbjack" <[email protected]> >> > To: <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 1:37 AM >> > Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. >> > > WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN, >> > POVALL,BARLOW. >> > >> > >> >> Dear Helen. It was a tavern which was converted from the old >> >> farmhouse >> > and >> >> Mill, I know it was at Irby, I will have to ask my sister who lives at >> >> Upton, her husband always took us there on a Wednesday night so that >> >> he >> >> could have his glasses of beer, and she would have 2 whiskys. It was a >> >> ritual, they did it every Wednesday night., I was staying with them > for >> > a >> >> while. My sister is Joan and her husband was Hugh. Graham. Cheers. >> > Barbara, >> >> New Zealand. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Lavendersblue" <[email protected]> >> >> To: <[email protected]> >> >> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 8:44 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. >> >> >> > > WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN, >> >> POVALL,BARLOW. >> >> >> >> >> >> > Barbara, is this the Anchor pub you're talking about on Irby Road? > When >> > I >> >> > lived over there there was a Youds family living on the opposite >> >> > side >> >> > of >> >> the >> >> > pub and a bit further down. >> >> > Helen >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "barbjack" <[email protected]> >> >> > To: <[email protected]> >> >> > Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 8:12 PM >> >> > Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. >> >> > >> >> >> > > WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN, >> >> POVALL,BARLOW. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > Dear Gordon. Well you have done your homework, Good on you. In >> >> > > my >> >> > > wanderings, looking for connections, I have come to the conclusion >> > that >> >> > > our >> >> > > origins came from Irby, because the Mill (which is now a public >> >> > > house) >> >> > > seems >> >> > > to be the place where they have been living at one time. (I have >> >> actually >> >> > > had a sherry in what would have been the kitchen ) I did not know > at >> > the >> >> > > time the significance . I am so grateful for any snippit of >> > information, >> >> > > My >> >> > > grandma Youds as we call Catherine who married John Wilkinson the >> >> younger, >> >> > > was a Quaker she was born in Bidston, but John Wilkinson was born > in >> >> > > Warrington, his father was Joseph, but I don't think Joseph was > from >> >> > > Warrington. Catherine and John had 10 children, 9 were sons, many >> >> > > were >> >> > > killed in the 1st world war, I never met them, but I did meet Jack >> >> > > and >> >> Jo, >> >> > > so they must have had children, you are spread all over the >> >> > > Wirral, >> > one >> >> > > would be a butcher, some went to sea, my grandfather followed in > the >> >> > > footsteps of his father, he was a boilermaker. John Wilkinson > played >> > the >> >> > > violin, and played for local hops, and I suspect was in the > orchestra >> >> for >> >> > > the operas. Anyway, thanks for communicating , perhaps we will >> >> eventually >> >> > > find connections, it is good, I think I have sparked a flood of > info >> > for >> >> > > others on the list. That much be good. Regards, Barbara., New >> > Zealand. >> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > > From: "gordon evans" <[email protected]> >> >> > > To: <[email protected]> >> >> > > Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 4:03 AM >> >> > > Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. >> >> > > >> >> >> > > WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN, >> >> > > POVALL,BARLOW. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> Hi Barbara >> >> > >> >> >> > >> When I said I had ALL the names in your list I meant all the >> >> > >> one's > I >> >> > >> could >> >> > >> see in the subject line viz WHARTON, YOUDS, CHATTERTON and >> >> > >> WILKINSON. >> > I >> >> > >> didn't appreciate that there were another seven names off the >> >> > >> edge >> >> > >> of >> >> the >> >> > >> page! >> >> > >> As it happens I do also have PEACOCK's, SMITH's, POVALL's and >> > BARLOW's, >> >> > > but >> >> > >> no KENYON's, DWERRYHOUSE's or COGHLAN's I'm afraid. >> >> > >> My WILKINSON's are mostly from Saughall Massey & >> >> > >> Upton-in-Overchurch, >> >> > >> whereas your great-grandfather John WILKINSON appears to be from >> >> > > Warrington. >> >> > >> My YOUD's are from Irby, Thurstaston and Hoose whereas yours are >> >> > >> from >> >> > >> Bidston. >> >> > >> I have a Frances WHARTON (b1809 Bidston) who married Joseph > SHERLOCK >> > in >> >> > > 1829 >> >> > >> but her parents were James and Elizabeth. >> >> > >> As Ann Nazari has pointed out, there will be many North Wirral >> > listers >> >> > >> who >> >> > >> can >> >> > >> identify with your names - it's just a question of finding the > right >> >> > >> ones! >> >> > >> Good luck, anyway. >> >> > >> Gordon >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >Dear Gordon. My Kenyon is John, in 1789 his daughter Alice >> >> > >> > >married >> >> > >> >John >> >> > >> >Dwerryhouse, at Childwall, Stanley Youds married Mary >> >> > >> >Chatterton, >> >> >they >> >> > > had >> >> > >> >my gt grandmother Catherine Youds who married John Wilkinson, >> >> >Catherine >> >> > >> was >> >> > >> >born in Bidston in 1833, married John in 1858, their son my >> >> >grandfather >> >> > >> was >> >> > >> >Samuel Wilkinson born 1876 in Birkenhead married my grandmother >> >> >Harriet >> >> > >> >Dwerryhouse in I think 1899, my mother Harriet Wilkinson married >> >> >Thomas >> >> > >> >Jackson Smith at St Anne , Stanley, Liverpool in April 1931, I > was >> >> >born >> >> > > in >> >> > >> >1933. that is my grandfathers line, my grandmother Harriets > mother >> >> >was >> >> > >> Eliza >> >> > >> >Jane Peacock, she married John Dwerryhouse in 1873 December , at >> >> > >> > >St >> >> > >> >Nicholas, Liverpool landing stage. her father was William >> >> > >> >Peacock >> >>and >> >> I >> >> > >> >think not proven yet, that William may have married Catherine >> >>Coghlan >> >> > > 1848 >> >> > >> >at Cork, Ireland. Povall and Barlow are intermarried with the > Youds >> >> >and >> >> > >> >Wilkinson. I know that are but cannot at this stage find the > dates, >> >> > >>Barlow >> >> > >> >was Catherine Youds (Wilkinson) sister in law who lived with her >> >> > >> >for >> > a >> >> > >> >time >> >> > >> >in Birkenhead. Catherine Wilkinson new Youds had a brother 2 > years >> >> > >>younger >> >> > >> >than her named Thomas. The Youds lived at Bidston, and I am told >> >>that >> >> > >> >we >> >> > >> are >> >> > >> >related to Robert Youds who had the flour Mill on Bidston Hill. > Any >> >> > >> >connections that you can see ? 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Hello Helen, I had a look today, it's definitely the Anchor, by Irby Hall and near to Irby Men's Club. Regards John Oliver (Upton, Wirral UK) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavendersblue" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN, POVALL,BARLOW. > Hi John, > It's definitely not the Harvest Mouse. That's right at the other end of Irby > Road, on the junction of Pensby Road and Whitfield Lane. One of my old > haunts, but much more often at the Black Horse in Lower Heswall. I lived > opposite the Boys' school, then moved along Irby Road just a couple of > hundred meters from the Harvest Mouse. > The Anchor was near to Irby Hall, then the Labour Club (?) was just up along > Thingwall Road I think just passed the row of shops. Then I seem to remember > a white building on the corner of Irby Road and Thingwall Road opposite Irby > Hall. Irby Hall used to have the old war planes round the back, and the cows > in the field at the side. Then on the opposite side of Irby and Thingwall > Roads was the library. Perhaps the drink has affected my memory!! > You'll have to check it out for me! > Helen > > Helen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Oliver" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 8:17 PM > Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. > WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN, POVALL,BARLOW. > > > > Hello helen, > > I think we must be thinking about two different places, > > the > > one I meant was at Irby crossroads. I'll go and have look at the area you > > mean tomorrow, I think it may be the Harvest Mouse, it's a Pub made to > > look > > like a windmill, that may be the one. Regards John Oliver (Upton, Wirral > > UK) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lavendersblue" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 6:36 PM > > Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. > > WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN, > > POVALL,BARLOW. > > > > > >> Hi John, > >> Just trying to get my barings. This must be on the corner of Irby Road > >> and > >> Thingwall Road, opposite Irby Hall? > >> > >> Helen > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "John Oliver" <[email protected]> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 6:29 PM > >> Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. > >> > > WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN, > > POVALL,BARLOW. > >> > >> > >> > Hello Helen, > >> > I think you're talking about Irby Mill Inn, > >> > it used to be a mill a long time ago, then it was Lumsden's Cafe, just > >> > before and after the War. It was converted to an Inn (tavern) in the > >> > 1980s(approx). Regards John Oliver > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "barbjack" <[email protected]> > >> > To: <[email protected]> > >> > Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 1:37 AM > >> > Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. > >> > > > WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN, > >> > POVALL,BARLOW. > >> > > >> > > >> >> Dear Helen. It was a tavern which was converted from the old > >> >> farmhouse > >> > and > >> >> Mill, I know it was at Irby, I will have to ask my sister who lives at > >> >> Upton, her husband always took us there on a Wednesday night so that > >> >> he > >> >> could have his glasses of beer, and she would have 2 whiskys. It was a > >> >> ritual, they did it every Wednesday night., I was staying with them > > for > >> > a > >> >> while. My sister is Joan and her husband was Hugh. Graham. Cheers. > >> > Barbara, > >> >> New Zealand. > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Lavendersblue" <[email protected]> > >> >> To: <[email protected]> > >> >> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 8:44 AM > >> >> Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. > >> >> > >> > > > WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN, > >> >> POVALL,BARLOW. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Barbara, is this the Anchor pub you're talking about on Irby Road? > > When > >> > I > >> >> > lived over there there was a Youds family living on the opposite > >> >> > side > >> >> > of > >> >> the > >> >> > pub and a bit further down. > >> >> > Helen > >> >> > > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> > From: "barbjack" <[email protected]> > >> >> > To: <[email protected]> > >> >> > Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 8:12 PM > >> >> > Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > > WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN, > >> >> POVALL,BARLOW. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > Dear Gordon. Well you have done your homework, Good on you. In > >> >> > > my > >> >> > > wanderings, looking for connections, I have come to the conclusion > >> > that > >> >> > > our > >> >> > > origins came from Irby, because the Mill (which is now a public > >> >> > > house) > >> >> > > seems > >> >> > > to be the place where they have been living at one time. (I have > >> >> actually > >> >> > > had a sherry in what would have been the kitchen ) I did not know > > at > >> > the > >> >> > > time the significance . I am so grateful for any snippit of > >> > information, > >> >> > > My > >> >> > > grandma Youds as we call Catherine who married John Wilkinson the > >> >> younger, > >> >> > > was a Quaker she was born in Bidston, but John Wilkinson was born > > in > >> >> > > Warrington, his father was Joseph, but I don't think Joseph was > > from > >> >> > > Warrington. Catherine and John had 10 children, 9 were sons, many > >> >> > > were > >> >> > > killed in the 1st world war, I never met them, but I did meet Jack > >> >> > > and > >> >> Jo, > >> >> > > so they must have had children, you are spread all over the > >> >> > > Wirral, > >> > one > >> >> > > would be a butcher, some went to sea, my grandfather followed in > > the > >> >> > > footsteps of his father, he was a boilermaker. John Wilkinson > > played > >> > the > >> >> > > violin, and played for local hops, and I suspect was in the > > orchestra > >> >> for > >> >> > > the operas. Anyway, thanks for communicating , perhaps we will > >> >> eventually > >> >> > > find connections, it is good, I think I have sparked a flood of > > info > >> > for > >> >> > > others on the list. That much be good. Regards, Barbara., New > >> > Zealand. > >> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> > > From: "gordon evans" <[email protected]> > >> >> > > To: <[email protected]> > >> >> > > Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 4:03 AM > >> >> > > Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN, > >> >> > > POVALL,BARLOW. > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> Hi Barbara > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> When I said I had ALL the names in your list I meant all the > >> >> > >> one's > > I > >> >> > >> could > >> >> > >> see in the subject line viz WHARTON, YOUDS, CHATTERTON and > >> >> > >> WILKINSON. > >> > I > >> >> > >> didn't appreciate that there were another seven names off the > >> >> > >> edge > >> >> > >> of > >> >> the > >> >> > >> page! > >> >> > >> As it happens I do also have PEACOCK's, SMITH's, POVALL's and > >> > BARLOW's, > >> >> > > but > >> >> > >> no KENYON's, DWERRYHOUSE's or COGHLAN's I'm afraid. > >> >> > >> My WILKINSON's are mostly from Saughall Massey & > >> >> > >> Upton-in-Overchurch, > >> >> > >> whereas your great-grandfather John WILKINSON appears to be from > >> >> > > Warrington. > >> >> > >> My YOUD's are from Irby, Thurstaston and Hoose whereas yours are > >> >> > >> from > >> >> > >> Bidston. > >> >> > >> I have a Frances WHARTON (b1809 Bidston) who married Joseph > > SHERLOCK > >> > in > >> >> > > 1829 > >> >> > >> but her parents were James and Elizabeth. > >> >> > >> As Ann Nazari has pointed out, there will be many North Wirral > >> > listers > >> >> > >> who > >> >> > >> can > >> >> > >> identify with your names - it's just a question of finding the > > right > >> >> > >> ones! > >> >> > >> Good luck, anyway. > >> >> > >> Gordon > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >Dear Gordon. My Kenyon is John, in 1789 his daughter Alice > >> >> > >> > >married > >> >> > >> >John > >> >> > >> >Dwerryhouse, at Childwall, Stanley Youds married Mary > >> >> > >> >Chatterton, > >> >> >they > >> >> > > had > >> >> > >> >my gt grandmother Catherine Youds who married John Wilkinson, > >> >> >Catherine > >> >> > >> was > >> >> > >> >born in Bidston in 1833, married John in 1858, their son my > >> >> >grandfather > >> >> > >> was > >> >> > >> >Samuel Wilkinson born 1876 in Birkenhead married my grandmother > >> >> >Harriet > >> >> > >> >Dwerryhouse in I think 1899, my mother Harriet Wilkinson married > >> >> >Thomas > >> >> > >> >Jackson Smith at St Anne , Stanley, Liverpool in April 1931, I > > was > >> >> >born > >> >> > > in > >> >> > >> >1933. that is my grandfathers line, my grandmother Harriets > > mother > >> >> >was > >> >> > >> Eliza > >> >> > >> >Jane Peacock, she married John Dwerryhouse in 1873 December , at > >> >> > >> > >St > >> >> > >> >Nicholas, Liverpool landing stage. her father was William > >> >> > >> >Peacock > >> >>and > >> >> I > >> >> > >> >think not proven yet, that William may have married Catherine > >> >>Coghlan > >> >> > > 1848 > >> >> > >> >at Cork, Ireland. Povall and Barlow are intermarried with the > > Youds > >> >> >and > >> >> > >> >Wilkinson. I know that are but cannot at this stage find the > > dates, > >> >> > >>Barlow > >> >> > >> >was Catherine Youds (Wilkinson) sister in law who lived with her > >> >> > >> >for > >> > a > >> >> > >> >time > >> >> > >> >in Birkenhead. Catherine Wilkinson new Youds had a brother 2 > > years > >> >> > >>younger > >> >> > >> >than her named Thomas. The Youds lived at Bidston, and I am told > >> >>that > >> >> > >> >we > >> >> > >> are > >> >> > >> >related to Robert Youds who had the flour Mill on Bidston Hill. > > Any > >> >> > >> >connections that you can see ? Cheers, Barbara <New Zealand.Oh! > >> >> > >> > >I > >> >> > > forgot > >> >> > >> >Wharton, I think he was Thomas, his daughter married William > >>Youds > >> > in > >> >> > >> 1700s. > >> >> > >> >Somewhere there is a connection with the Royal family, not sure > >> >>who, > >> >> > >> >but > >> >> > >> it > >> >> > >> >was all hushed up and we were told as children we were not > > allowed > >> >>to > >> >> > > tell > >> >> > >> >anyone, as Queen Victoria was a cousin Cheers. Barbara. > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > >> >> > >> Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > >> >> > >> > >> >> > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> ============================== > >> >> > >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new > > Immigration > >> >> > >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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Well, now we all know where the Anchor is, we should all get down there! Cheers! Helen ; ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Oliver" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN,POVALL,BARLOW. > Hello Helen, > I had a look today, it's definitely the Anchor, by Irby Hall > and near to Irby Men's Club. Regards John Oliver (Upton, Wirral UK) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lavendersblue" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 9:07 PM > Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. > WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN, > POVALL,BARLOW. > > >> Hi John, >> It's definitely not the Harvest Mouse. That's right at the other end of > Irby >> Road, on the junction of Pensby Road and Whitfield Lane. One of my old >> haunts, but much more often at the Black Horse in Lower Heswall. I lived >> opposite the Boys' school, then moved along Irby Road just a couple of >> hundred meters from the Harvest Mouse. >> The Anchor was near to Irby Hall, then the Labour Club (?) was just up > along >> Thingwall Road I think just passed the row of shops. Then I seem to > remember >> a white building on the corner of Irby Road and Thingwall Road opposite > Irby >> Hall. Irby Hall used to have the old war planes round the back, and the > cows >> in the field at the side. Then on the opposite side of Irby and Thingwall >> Roads was the library. Perhaps the drink has affected my memory!! >> You'll have to check it out for me! >> Helen >> >> Helen >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Oliver" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 8:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. >> > WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN, > POVALL,BARLOW. >> >> >> > Hello helen, >> > I think we must be thinking about two different places, >> > the >> > one I meant was at Irby crossroads. I'll go and have look at the area > you >> > mean tomorrow, I think it may be the Harvest Mouse, it's a Pub made to >> > look >> > like a windmill, that may be the one. Regards John Oliver (Upton, >> > Wirral >> > UK) >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Lavendersblue" <[email protected]> >> > To: <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 6:36 PM >> > Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. >> > > WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN, >> > POVALL,BARLOW. >> > >> > >> >> Hi John, >> >> Just trying to get my barings. This must be on the corner of Irby Road >> >> and >> >> Thingwall Road, opposite Irby Hall? >> >> >> >> Helen >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "John Oliver" <[email protected]> >> >> To: <[email protected]> >> >> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 6:29 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. >> >> >> > > WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN, >> > POVALL,BARLOW. >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hello Helen, >> >> > I think you're talking about Irby Mill Inn, >> >> > it used to be a mill a long time ago, then it was Lumsden's Cafe, > just >> >> > before and after the War. It was converted to an Inn (tavern) in the >> >> > 1980s(approx). Regards John Oliver >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "barbjack" <[email protected]> >> >> > To: <[email protected]> >> >> > Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 1:37 AM >> >> > Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. >> >> > >> > > WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN, >> >> > POVALL,BARLOW. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> Dear Helen. It was a tavern which was converted from the old >> >> >> farmhouse >> >> > and >> >> >> Mill, I know it was at Irby, I will have to ask my sister who lives > at >> >> >> Upton, her husband always took us there on a Wednesday night so >> >> >> that >> >> >> he >> >> >> could have his glasses of beer, and she would have 2 whiskys. It >> >> >> was > a >> >> >> ritual, they did it every Wednesday night., I was staying with > them >> > for >> >> > a >> >> >> while. My sister is Joan and her husband was Hugh. Graham. Cheers. >> >> > Barbara, >> >> >> New Zealand. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> From: "Lavendersblue" <[email protected]> >> >> >> To: <[email protected]> >> >> >> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 8:44 AM >> >> >> Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN, >> >> >> POVALL,BARLOW. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Barbara, is this the Anchor pub you're talking about on Irby >> >> >> > Road? >> > When >> >> > I >> >> >> > lived over there there was a Youds family living on the opposite >> >> >> > side >> >> >> > of >> >> >> the >> >> >> > pub and a bit further down. >> >> >> > Helen >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> > From: "barbjack" <[email protected]> >> >> >> > To: <[email protected]> >> >> >> > Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 8:12 PM >> >> >> > Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN, >> >> >> POVALL,BARLOW. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > Dear Gordon. Well you have done your homework, Good on you. >> >> >> > > In >> >> >> > > my >> >> >> > > wanderings, looking for connections, I have come to the > conclusion >> >> > that >> >> >> > > our >> >> >> > > origins came from Irby, because the Mill (which is now a public >> >> >> > > house) >> >> >> > > seems >> >> >> > > to be the place where they have been living at one time. (I > have >> >> >> actually >> >> >> > > had a sherry in what would have been the kitchen ) I did not > know >> > at >> >> > the >> >> >> > > time the significance . I am so grateful for any snippit of >> >> > information, >> >> >> > > My >> >> >> > > grandma Youds as we call Catherine who married John Wilkinson > the >> >> >> younger, >> >> >> > > was a Quaker she was born in Bidston, but John Wilkinson was > born >> > in >> >> >> > > Warrington, his father was Joseph, but I don't think Joseph was >> > from >> >> >> > > Warrington. Catherine and John had 10 children, 9 were sons, > many >> >> >> > > were >> >> >> > > killed in the 1st world war, I never met them, but I did meet > Jack >> >> >> > > and >> >> >> Jo, >> >> >> > > so they must have had children, you are spread all over the >> >> >> > > Wirral, >> >> > one >> >> >> > > would be a butcher, some went to sea, my grandfather followed >> >> >> > > in >> > the >> >> >> > > footsteps of his father, he was a boilermaker. John Wilkinson >> > played >> >> > the >> >> >> > > violin, and played for local hops, and I suspect was in the >> > orchestra >> >> >> for >> >> >> > > the operas. Anyway, thanks for communicating , perhaps we will >> >> >> eventually >> >> >> > > find connections, it is good, I think I have sparked a flood of >> > info >> >> > for >> >> >> > > others on the list. That much be good. Regards, Barbara., New >> >> > Zealand. >> >> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> > > From: "gordon evans" <[email protected]> >> >> >> > > To: <[email protected]> >> >> >> > > Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 4:03 AM >> >> >> > > Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN, >> >> >> > > POVALL,BARLOW. >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> Hi Barbara >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> When I said I had ALL the names in your list I meant all the >> >> >> > >> one's >> > I >> >> >> > >> could >> >> >> > >> see in the subject line viz WHARTON, YOUDS, CHATTERTON and >> >> >> > >> WILKINSON. >> >> > I >> >> >> > >> didn't appreciate that there were another seven names off the >> >> >> > >> edge >> >> >> > >> of >> >> >> the >> >> >> > >> page! >> >> >> > >> As it happens I do also have PEACOCK's, SMITH's, POVALL's and >> >> > BARLOW's, >> >> >> > > but >> >> >> > >> no KENYON's, DWERRYHOUSE's or COGHLAN's I'm afraid. >> >> >> > >> My WILKINSON's are mostly from Saughall Massey & >> >> >> > >> Upton-in-Overchurch, >> >> >> > >> whereas your great-grandfather John WILKINSON appears to be > from >> >> >> > > Warrington. >> >> >> > >> My YOUD's are from Irby, Thurstaston and Hoose whereas yours > are >> >> >> > >> from >> >> >> > >> Bidston. >> >> >> > >> I have a Frances WHARTON (b1809 Bidston) who married Joseph >> > SHERLOCK >> >> > in >> >> >> > > 1829 >> >> >> > >> but her parents were James and Elizabeth. >> >> >> > >> As Ann Nazari has pointed out, there will be many North Wirral >> >> > listers >> >> >> > >> who >> >> >> > >> can >> >> >> > >> identify with your names - it's just a question of finding the >> > right >> >> >> > >> ones! >> >> >> > >> Good luck, anyway. >> >> >> > >> Gordon >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >Dear Gordon. My Kenyon is John, in 1789 his daughter Alice >> >> >> > >> > >married >> >> >> > >> >John >> >> >> > >> >Dwerryhouse, at Childwall, Stanley Youds married Mary >> >> >> > >> >Chatterton, >> >> >> >they >> >> >> > > had >> >> >> > >> >my gt grandmother Catherine Youds who married John Wilkinson, >> >> >> >Catherine >> >> >> > >> was >> >> >> > >> >born in Bidston in 1833, married John in 1858, their son my >> >> >> >grandfather >> >> >> > >> was >> >> >> > >> >Samuel Wilkinson born 1876 in Birkenhead married my > grandmother >> >> >> >Harriet >> >> >> > >> >Dwerryhouse in I think 1899, my mother Harriet Wilkinson > married >> >> >> >Thomas >> >> >> > >> >Jackson Smith at St Anne , Stanley, Liverpool in April 1931, >> >> >> > >> >I >> > was >> >> >> >born >> >> >> > > in >> >> >> > >> >1933. that is my grandfathers line, my grandmother Harriets >> > mother >> >> >> >was >> >> >> > >> Eliza >> >> >> > >> >Jane Peacock, she married John Dwerryhouse in 1873 December , > at >> >> >> > >> > >St >> >> >> > >> >Nicholas, Liverpool landing stage. her father was William >> >> >> > >> >Peacock >> >> >>and >> >> >> I >> >> >> > >> >think not proven yet, that William may have married Catherine >> >> >>Coghlan >> >> >> > > 1848 >> >> >> > >> >at Cork, Ireland. Povall and Barlow are intermarried with the >> > Youds >> >> >> >and >> >> >> > >> >Wilkinson. I know that are but cannot at this stage find the >> > dates, >> >> >> > >>Barlow >> >> >> > >> >was Catherine Youds (Wilkinson) sister in law who lived with > her >> >> >> > >> >for >> >> > a >> >> >> > >> >time >> >> >> > >> >in Birkenhead. Catherine Wilkinson new Youds had a brother 2 >> > years >> >> >> > >>younger >> >> >> > >> >than her named Thomas. The Youds lived at Bidston, and I am > told >> >> >>that >> >> >> > >> >we >> >> >> > >> are >> >> >> > >> >related to Robert Youds who had the flour Mill on Bidston > Hill. >> > Any >> >> >> > >> >connections that you can see ? Cheers, Barbara <New > Zealand.Oh! >> >> >> > >> > >I >> >> >> > > forgot >> >> >> > >> >Wharton, I think he was Thomas, his daughter married William >> >>Youds >> >> > in >> >> >> > >> 1700s. >> >> >> > >> >Somewhere there is a connection with the Royal family, not > sure >> >> >>who, >> >> >> > >> >but >> >> >> > >> it >> >> >> > >> >was all hushed up and we were told as children we were not >> > allowed >> >> >>to >> >> >> > > tell >> >> >> > >> >anyone, as Queen Victoria was a cousin Cheers. Barbara. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== >> >> >> > >> Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> ============================== >> >> >> > >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new >> > Immigration >> >> >> > >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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