Hello List, I see you all scurrying to try and help me. And this is truely appreciated. I have Rebecca and Thomas FULTON in the 1881 census. I also have them on IGI familysearch. Thomas being born 1852.. So I would think his father JAMES would be about 1830 ?? So that would put James about 51 in 1881. If he was still alive ?? On the cert. it just says Thomas was full age. Rebecca miner (She was 19 according to the 1881 census.Both Thomas and his Father were carters. It gives no Mothers names. And no perents address. This it witnessed by John HARDING and Elizabeth HARDING. (could be family or just friends )?? I have to find James FULTON ~grin ~. I guess the only other way is to send for Thomas FULTON birth cert. after Christmas. But there I just have 1852 from the census. I have looked in the Cheshire BMD and also the IGI. Just nothing that I can find. Except Thomas and Rebecca marriage. Thank You so much everyone for trying to help. Lets crack this branch. Pat and Bill (/)__(/) (= ',' =) (")__(") pat0bill@telusplanet.net