To get a marriage cert. from the GRO, according to their website, one has has to produce full details of both parties concerned. If I only have one party, but have the quarter and reference no., will this suffice? I suspect one of the other names on free BMD is the othe party , but can't be sure. Advice would be appreciated. John

Hi List Looking for help with a HAYES enquiry. I have just bought my 2nd Great Grandfather John Hayes's marriage certificate who was born in abt 1863 in Parkgate. In the 1881 census he is recorded as the grandson of John & Margaret Hayes (both from Ireland) and living at 162 Beckwith Street Birkenhead. John Hayes is 71 Margaret 65 and John the elders occupation is Officer in H.M.Customs. John the grandson's marriage certificate says his father was a Customs Officer, John himself is an engine fitter's apprentice in 1881 and in 1882 just a fitter when he married Mary Jane Wills. This becomes an engine fitter on his son Robert Wills Hayes's birth certificate in 1883. I am trying to find John's father John the 2nd (son of John and Margaret ~are you still with me confusing when having the same name of offspring!) and whether his occupation is that of John the first and who he married. John the 3rd disappears from the census in 1891 when his wife and sons are living in 57 Duke Street with Mary's mother Maria Wills. Up until I got this marriage certificate I was tracing the wrong John Hayes. Is there a contact for tracing Customs Officers? Regards Mike Hayes PS I hope it does not come across as confusing as it looks!! --------------------------------- Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!. Enter now.

I am interested in making contact with anyone who has information about Eric Derwent WARD a garage proprietor who had premises on Leasowe Road Wallasey in the 1930s and also ran an aviation business from the same location. David

Sorry, not on line-I found it in the census film in London at the Family Record Centre. Pat

http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl 1841 to 1891 Census, though it is not complete, you may be lucky. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: <gonefshn@bristolbay.com> > Where are you getting access to the 1841 census? On-line > somewhere? Rhonda in Alaska. > > On 1 Apr 2006, at 1:48, Poundhousepair@aol.com wrote: > >> Does anyone know what or where "Oneadora Line"was - or thats what it >> looks like, given as the street, on the 1841 census for Tranmere? >> Thanks Pat

Where are you getting access to the 1841 census? On-line somewhere? Rhonda in Alaska. On 1 Apr 2006, at 1:48, Poundhousepair@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone know what or where "Oneadora Line"was - or thats what it > looks like, given as the street, on the 1841 census for Tranmere? > Thanks Pat > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.h > tml > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Does anyone know what or where "Oneadora Line"was - or thats what it looks like, given as the street, on the 1841 census for Tranmere? Thanks Pat

Hi List Looking for relatives of Edward Powell b1855 adopted son of Thomas & Ellen (Johnson) Sherlock from Tranmere Birkenhead. He may have married (not confirmed yet) Elizabeth A Shellon/Skillen. Do not know who Edwards parents were as yet or what happened to them. Just curious from doing Sherlock family research. Any help gratefully appreciated Regards Mike Hayes --------------------------------- Yahoo! Cars NEW - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online search now ---------------------------------

From: ed_thomas@wxc.net.nz Subject: Joseph .PRICE / COLDSTREAM GUARDS Date; 21st. .March, 2006 Dear List, Could SKS please, help with any information of the PRICE, families of Wervin, Stoak, and Little Stanney, in Cheshire, where Edward PRICE, was born c1782. Several other family members were also living in Haslingden, Rawtenstall, Middleton, and Bury, in Manchester, Lancashire. where Susannah HUTCHINSON, nee, PRICE, was born in Heywood, c1867 last known living at 21, Irwell Terrace, Warth, Bury, 1919. I wonder if someone would be able to discover for me the whereabouts of a Joseph Henry PRICE, after the 1901 census. Born in ,1860 at Beattie's ? Farm, Middleton. In the 1891 census Joseph, was in the COLDSTREAM GUARDS. In the 1901.census he's living in a Lodging House, at 9, Front Gate Mill, Rawtenstall, Single, age 40 working as a Mason's Labourer. . T I A Ted.

Hi Dorothy sorry you are having trouble, try my daughters addy. helen.tennant@ntlworld.com Thanks Bob T >-- Original Message -- >From: "Dorothy Spence" <rottimum@platinum.ca> >Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral]Firemen >Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 21:37:47 -0700 >To: BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com > > >Hi Bob, > >I have tried to send some photos to you but they keep coming back as not > >enough room in your file. Is there another email address that I can send > >them to that would be able to receive them? > >Best wishes, >Dorothy > > >==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== >Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > >============================== >Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/

Hi Bob, I have tried to send some photos to you but they keep coming back as not enough room in your file. Is there another email address that I can send them to that would be able to receive them? Best wishes, Dorothy

Thank you to Wendy and Janet for your replies on the above posting. That was a useful tip about inverting the image. Yes that did improve it. Not everything came up though, I'll pop in when I'm up that way some time and take a look myself. Thanks once again. Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <wightway@tiscali.co.uk> To: <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] MI's at Landican > Try inverting the photograph to a "negative" appearance. You might be able > to read more. You'll need photo software to do that of course. > > Janet > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug" <d.s.mason@btinternet.com> > > >>I have received a photograph of a headstone at landican that I am >>interested in but the inscription is now too faint to read it in full. One >>of the deaths recorded on it is for Robert DUDGEON died 1943 and the other >>is for Susan Christie Duncan WALKER, who died January 1941. Is there >>anyone with access to Landican MI's that could give me the full >>transcription? >> Doug >> >> > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.6/288 - Release Date: 22/03/2006 >

Try inverting the photograph to a "negative" appearance. You might be able to read more. You'll need photo software to do that of course. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug" <d.s.mason@btinternet.com> >I have received a photograph of a headstone at landican that I am interested in but the inscription is now too faint to read it in full. One of the deaths recorded on it is for Robert DUDGEON died 1943 and the other is for Susan Christie Duncan WALKER, who died January 1941. Is there anyone with access to Landican MI's that could give me the full transcription? > Doug > >

I have received a photograph of a headstone at landican that I am interested in but the inscription is now too faint to read it in full. One of the deaths recorded on it is for Robert DUDGEON died 1943 and the other is for Susan Christie Duncan WALKER, who died January 1941. Is there anyone with access to Landican MI's that could give me the full transcription? Doug

Hi Susan, the marriage for Thomas MUTCH & Mary YOUDS shows up on the Free BMD site. They were married in Liverpool in 1852 (see entry below) Marriages Mar 1852 Mutch Thomas Liverpool 8b 240 Youds Mary Liverpool 8b 240 Stanley YOUDS and Mary CHATTERTON had a daughter, Mary baptised 11 May 1828 at Woodchurch. In the 1851 census of Bidston Mary is shown as single and living with her parents (see entry below) 1851 Census of Marsh, Bidston, Cheshire. STANLEY YOUDS widower 53 Farm Lab Prenton JOHN YOUDS son 24 Plasterer Bidston MARY YOUDS dau 22 Servant at Home Bidston ANNE YOUDS dau dau 18 Servant at Home Bidston THOMAS YOUDS son 14 Servant at Home Bidston CATHERINE YOUDS dau ll Bidston It seems that a lot of people want to lay claim to the last miller of Bidston Mill. I think that this is your Mary and a copy of the marriage certificate would prove it one way or another, Good Luck, Anne. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.3/281 - Release Date: 3/14/2006

Hi Sandy, it tells you some things about it on here, _http://www.wirral.gov.uk/er/bidwind.htm_ (http://www.wirral.gov.uk/er/bidwind.htm) Wendy

Hi Listers, Just wondering about Bidston Mill. How would anyone learn who were the millers at Bidston? Is there be a there a list somewhere? I read in a brief family history written years ago that my ggrandfather Henry Fairclough milled there. This may have been the mid to late 1860's. He later owned a bake shop in Birkenhead. How did the running of the mill work? Was there one miller who milled there at a specific time, or did they take turns? Sandy in Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Rylands" <pub20009@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] YOUDS - Bidston Mill - and MUTCH (Lower Meols/West Kirby, Bidston, Oxton) > Hi Again Susan, > > As you probably know the last owner prior to the Mill ceasing operation in > 1875 was a YOUDS. In the 1871 census in Upton Road, Bidston lived..- > > Robert YOUDS, h, m, 49, farmer of 12 acres & miller, emp 2 boys, Woodchurch > cheshire > Ann, wife, 53, Bidston > Margaret HALE, unm, niece, 20, Bidston > Charles COTRELL, servant, unm, 16, labourer, Oxton > Walter JONES, servant, unm, 14, Claughton > > Whether he's yours is another question! > > Sue > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Mutch" <susan.mutch@gmail.com> > To: <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 3:18 PM > Subject: [BKHD-Wirral] YOUDS - Bidston Mill - and MUTCH (Lower Meols/West > Kirby, Bidston, Oxton) > > > > Would anyone be able to tell me the first name of the last miller at > > Bidston > > Mill? I believe he was a Mr. Youds, and I believe his daughter is my > > great > > great grandmother. From what we know so far, it looks like her name was > > Mary (b. 1829 approx), who married a Thomas Mutch (b. 1825 approx in Lower > > Meols/West Kirby area). They in turn had at least 7 children that I know > > of > > born in either Bidston or Oxton: John, Thomas, William, Mary, Joseph (my > > g > > grandfather), Elizabeth and Jane. > > > > Although I have not found a marriage certificate yet to confirm that Mary, > > the spouse of Thomas Mutch, is actually a YOUDS, anecdotal evidence from > > now > > deceased relatives has her as a YOUDS and the daughter of the miller at > > Bidston Mill, the last of which I've also confirmed to be a YOUDS - so it > > definitely appears that there's a connection somewhere down the line. As > > there are a couple of different YOUDS branches on the census, I'd be > > really > > grateful if anyone knew the millers first name so I could try and narrow > > my > > search down further. > > > > Also, if anyone has any details on the MUTCH side I would also love to > > hear. > > > > Many thanks, > > > > Susan Mutch > > > > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > > > > ============================== > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > > ______________________________

Hi Again Susan, As you probably know the last owner prior to the Mill ceasing operation in 1875 was a YOUDS. In the 1871 census in Upton Road, Bidston lived..- Robert YOUDS, h, m, 49, farmer of 12 acres & miller, emp 2 boys, Woodchurch cheshire Ann, wife, 53, Bidston Margaret HALE, unm, niece, 20, Bidston Charles COTRELL, servant, unm, 16, labourer, Oxton Walter JONES, servant, unm, 14, Claughton Whether he's yours is another question! Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Mutch" <susan.mutch@gmail.com> To: <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 3:18 PM Subject: [BKHD-Wirral] YOUDS - Bidston Mill - and MUTCH (Lower Meols/West Kirby, Bidston, Oxton) > Would anyone be able to tell me the first name of the last miller at > Bidston > Mill? I believe he was a Mr. Youds, and I believe his daughter is my > great > great grandmother. From what we know so far, it looks like her name was > Mary (b. 1829 approx), who married a Thomas Mutch (b. 1825 approx in Lower > Meols/West Kirby area). They in turn had at least 7 children that I know > of > born in either Bidston or Oxton: John, Thomas, William, Mary, Joseph (my > g > grandfather), Elizabeth and Jane. > > Although I have not found a marriage certificate yet to confirm that Mary, > the spouse of Thomas Mutch, is actually a YOUDS, anecdotal evidence from > now > deceased relatives has her as a YOUDS and the daughter of the miller at > Bidston Mill, the last of which I've also confirmed to be a YOUDS - so it > definitely appears that there's a connection somewhere down the line. As > there are a couple of different YOUDS branches on the census, I'd be > really > grateful if anyone knew the millers first name so I could try and narrow > my > search down further. > > Also, if anyone has any details on the MUTCH side I would also love to > hear. > > Many thanks, > > Susan Mutch > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Susan, The only entry which looks as though it could fit for a Mary YOUDS born around then would include a father William YOUDS, a labourer born Bidston, Chester c1802. In 1851 there is a nephew, William DAULBY, if that means anything to you. Sue The Mutch family seemed to be concerned with quarry work after that.

iemember a doctor mutch who had a surgery near cavendish st and park rd north,