Could anyboby on the list provide any information of the condition of the St Banabas Church Cemetery. I have some relies buried there, and was wondering about the state of the headstones. TIA Peter Bundaberg Qld OZ

Hello Donna I haven't any information about your query, but thought you'd like to hear a tale about Hawarden The locals used to pronounce it, probably still do, as HARDEN I saw a program on British television many years ago, and a soldier was telling a story about a German Spy, who was posing as a British soldier, getting caught, because he told a comrade that he came from HAY WARDEN. Unfortunately for the spy, the person he told knew the area and the correct way to pronounce Hawarden. Ann Higginson Melbourne Victoria -----Original Message----- From: Eshuys [mailto:eshuys@westnet.com.au] Sent: Monday, 15 May 2006 8:33 AM To: BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BKHD-Wirral] WILLIAMS/BELLIS Hi All This is my first time on a mail list, so please forgive me any errors. I have had much trouble trying to locate my gr grandfather's history before he immigrated into Australia in 1877. On his first marriage he listed Birkenhead as his birthplace, however on his second he listed Hawarden, Flintshire. His details are: John George WILLIAMS born about 1852, father George Wright WILLIAMS, mother Mary BELLIS. Anyone have any ideas? Regards Donna Eshuys Noosa, Qld, Australia ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi All This is my first time on a mail list, so please forgive me any errors. I have had much trouble trying to locate my gr grandfather's history before he immigrated into Australia in 1877. On his first marriage he listed Birkenhead as his birthplace, however on his second he listed Hawarden, Flintshire. His details are: John George WILLIAMS born about 1852, father George Wright WILLIAMS, mother Mary BELLIS. Anyone have any ideas? Regards Donna Eshuys Noosa, Qld, Australia

Hi, while in the RAF we were posted to Hawarden(they do still say Harden!)sometimes the address would have Flintshire and others Chester,depending on who the mail came from,so that would maybe explain the Birkenhead ? wendy

I would love to hear from anyone who has ancestors by the name of Vaters in the Wirral area. Many thanks, Dorothy, Canada

hi mike my g/grandfather isthomas jones lived in cathcart st1879 and wood st birkenhead later -married alice barker and my grandmother sara jane was born 54 cathcart st 1879 and i was born in 58 cathcart st never knew my g/mother lived there until last year

-----Original Message----- From: Mike Hayes [mailto:mikeljan1@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: 05 May 2006 18:07 To: BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BKHD-Wirral] Hayes/Jones Hi List Looking for anyone researching these names Thomas Jones b 1845 -m- Margaret Hayes b 1845 1st Nov 1866 in St Andrew Bebington they had the following 10 children. Thomas was a joiner (look how he joined 10 kids!) Elizabeth b 1867 d Margaret b 1869 Liverpool Sarah b 1872 Mary E b 1875 Thomas b 1877 Catherine Hayes b 1880 All born in Tranmere Clara b 1881 Florence b 1883 Elizabeth b1885 John b 1887 Regards Mike Hayes --------------------------------- Switch an email account to Yahoo! Mail, you could win FIFA World Cup tickets. ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.4/332 - Release Date: 04/05/06

Hi List Looking for anyone researching these names Thomas Jones b 1845 -m- Margaret Hayes b 1845 1st Nov 1866 in St Andrew Bebington they had the following 10 children. Thomas was a joiner (look how he joined 10 kids!) Elizabeth b 1867 d Margaret b 1869 Liverpool Sarah b 1872 Mary E b 1875 Thomas b 1877 Catherine Hayes b 1880 All born in Tranmere Clara b 1881 Florence b 1883 Elizabeth b1885 John b 1887 Regards Mike Hayes --------------------------------- Switch an email account to Yahoo! Mail, you could win FIFA World Cup tickets.

Hello List, If you recognise the name Torpenhow Open Air School which used to be located on Montgomery Hill in Frankby Wirral from around 1945 to around 1995, then perhaps you were there as a pupil or staff member? If not then perhaps you have a relative, friend or neighbour who was at this school? Anyone who attended Torpenhow as a pupil or staff member is invited to a reunion to be held in June, so if you or anyone you know was there and would be interested in attending this reunion please get in touch with me as soon as possible for more details. Eric Dodman Ottawa Canada

Hi list, Please can I add Judy to the list of wonderful people, Best wishes, Pat.

Dear List, I am so very grateful to all those people who replied to my call for help, what a lovely bunch you are. I thank you so very much. Gordon, Geoff, Andy, Robert, Kathy and George. I do hope I have not missed anyone, thank you if I have. I thought I would never solve this one, and now I feel confident I will. My best wishes to you all, Pat.

Kathy, The libraries only have records to 1960. I was looking for a burial in 1993. I sent numerous emails which were not replied to and phoned a few times. They agreed that they had seen the emails and I had an exact date but told me each time that they would look for the information when they had the time. They always sounded very helpful and very willing to look up the information for me but nothing ever came of it. David -----Original Message----- From: Kathybinns@aol.com [mailto:Kathybinns@aol.com] Sent: 29 April 2006 12:20 To: BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Wirral Cemeteries Records In a message dated 29/04/2006 09:45:55 GMT Standard Time, david@railtond.freeserve.co.uk writes: Has any list member found a way of accessing Wirral Cemeteries records? One used to be able to visit the office at Landican Cemetery and look at the burial records and grave registers. I am told that that due to over use these are no longer available to the public. They don't appear to have been microfilmed or digitised so the only means of access is asking cemetery staff to do any look ups. The staff give every indication of being helpful but I have found that they never come back with an answer. I suppose that they are too busy carrying out there other duties. Hi David, I have asked the staff for a lookup only once. I knew the date of death of the person I was researching and I made my query by phone. I waited on the line while the staff member found the record and read it out to me. I have also used the filmed burial records for Flaybrick which are at Birkenhead Library. I did not know the exact date of death and the archive staff were very helpful and helped me find the burial record and also the records of other family members who had been buried in the same grave. good luck Kathy ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Correction to previous email - I was not specific enough. I was referring to burial records from 1960 to date which are only held at the Cemeteries office at Landican. David _____ From: David Railton [mailto:david@railtond.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 29 April 2006 09:45 To: BIRKENHEAD-L (BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com); (ENG-CHS-WIRRAL-L@rootsweb.com) Subject: Wirral Cemeteries Records Has any list member found a way of accessing Wirral Cemeteries records? One used to be able to visit the office at Landican Cemetery and look at the burial records and grave registers. I am told that that due to over use these are no longer available to the public. They don't appear to have been microfilmed or digitised so the only means of access is asking cemetery staff to do any look ups. The staff give every indication of being helpful but I have found that they never come back with an answer. I suppose that they are too busy carrying out there other duties. David

David, I think Birkenhead Library has copies of Landican and Flaybrichk hill and earlston road library for rake lane cemetery. Keith in Malta. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Railton" <david@railtond.freeserve.co.uk> To: <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 10:45 AM Subject: [BKHD-Wirral] Wirral Cemeteries Records > Has any list member found a way of accessing Wirral Cemeteries records? > One > used to be able to visit the office at Landican Cemetery and look at the > burial records and grave registers. I am told that that due to over use > these are no longer available to the public. They don't appear to have > been > microfilmed or digitised so the only means of access is asking cemetery > staff to do any look ups. The staff give every indication of being helpful > but I have found that they never come back with an answer. I suppose that > they are too busy carrying out there other duties. > > > > David > > > > > > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >

Has any list member found a way of accessing Wirral Cemeteries records? One used to be able to visit the office at Landican Cemetery and look at the burial records and grave registers. I am told that that due to over use these are no longer available to the public. They don't appear to have been microfilmed or digitised so the only means of access is asking cemetery staff to do any look ups. The staff give every indication of being helpful but I have found that they never come back with an answer. I suppose that they are too busy carrying out there other duties. David

In a message dated 29/04/2006 12:21:35 GMT Standard Time, Kathybinns@aol.com writes: . I knew the date of death of the person I was researching The year was a little earlier than your research David - 1954, and I discovered that a cremation had taken place at Landican and I was told where the ashes were scattered. Kathy

In a message dated 29/04/2006 09:45:55 GMT Standard Time, david@railtond.freeserve.co.uk writes: Has any list member found a way of accessing Wirral Cemeteries records? One used to be able to visit the office at Landican Cemetery and look at the burial records and grave registers. I am told that that due to over use these are no longer available to the public. They don't appear to have been microfilmed or digitised so the only means of access is asking cemetery staff to do any look ups. The staff give every indication of being helpful but I have found that they never come back with an answer. I suppose that they are too busy carrying out there other duties. Hi David, I have asked the staff for a lookup only once. I knew the date of death of the person I was researching and I made my query by phone. I waited on the line while the staff member found the record and read it out to me. I have also used the filmed burial records for Flaybrick which are at Birkenhead Library. I did not know the exact date of death and the archive staff were very helpful and helped me find the burial record and also the records of other family members who had been buried in the same grave. good luck Kathy

Hi George, Thanks so much, I am so lucky to have this info sent to me. Thanks, I could imagine he could have walked to Eastham from Birkenhead. I would think it was before the tunnel was built, and that would have made a difference. You are helping me so much, yes another kind person found their Marriage and that is the very first thing I will do. Thank you George, I am so excited. My best wishes, Pat. GEORGE HIGHTON wrote: >Hi Pat once again Chester St is the start of the main Road from Birhkenhead ferry to Cester .the A41 and is still there allthough is bypassed by the Mersey Tunnel you will have to apply for the birth or marriage certificate to find fathers name you don't say the no of the house in Chester St. Richard Carrol should be on the 1841 if you ask someone will look it up for you then if you specify the mothers name you should be able to find more information (address, children, mothers mainen name etc. best of luck George > >Robert Tennant <birkenheadtram@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Pat, Eastham is 5 miles south of Birkenhead. Birkenhead as a township in >1841 was only 20 years old having grow from a population of 200 in 1821 to >8,223, its main Church St Mary's being built in 1819. Prior to Birkenhead's >development, Tranmere was the main near township. The main church here is St >Catharine's Church Road. The main road from Birkenhead to Eastham in 1841 >would be Old Chester Road as it is now known. This highway traverses the >Wirral towards Chester the Principal County Town via Bebington and >Bromborough, both have Churches St Andrews and St Barnabus respectively. I >think it right to say that Eastham although a very old hamlet developed with >the expansion of the ferry services to Liverpool and prior to that, >community affiliations would have been focused around the above villages or >possibly Hooton, Willaston, Childer Thornton or Great Sutton. The above is >just an overview of the area at a given point in time not a comprehensive >history, the hamlets and villages of Wirral changed beyond peoples >comprehension in the space of 50 years. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "patluv57" > >To: >Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 3:00 AM >Subject: [BKHD-Wirral] Carroll > > > > >>Hi There, >>I am new to your list, I live in Victoria Australia. >>I have joined your group to try and solve my on going puzzle. >>The name that I am having so much trouble with is Carroll. >>I have got back to Richard Carroll who was born approx 1835-6. On each >>census records he states that he was born in Eastham Cheshire, I have >>search but with no results because I have been told there was no Church in >>Eastham for those years. >>I have found a Richard Carroll who's age fits on the 1841 census living in >>Birkenhead which looks like Bk Chester Street. >>None of the Family names seem to fit, but I was wondering if anyone would >>know how close it is to Eastham and is it possible they baptised children >>when living in Birkenhead and it be classed as part of Eastham.? >>I hope there is someone who knows the area, and of a few surrounding >>Churches. >>I have Richard married with his wife and Children for later years, that is >>easy. >>What I would love to know is his Father & Mother names. >>Please can anyone advice, I would be so very grateful. >>My best wishes, >>Pat. >> >> >>==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== >>Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy >>http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html >> >>============================== >>Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >>last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >>http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> >> >> > > >==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== >Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > > >Cheers George > > >==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== >Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > >

Hi Kathy, Nice to hear from you, and yes a kind person found their Marriage at New Forest Hamp. I had tried to find it and I never had success, it just shows you new eyes find new things. I am so excited now, this is great. Thank you so much Kathy, this help is so very much appreciated. Best wishes, Pat. Kathybinns@aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 27/04/2006 13:07:50 GMT Standard Time, >patluv57@iprimus.com.au writes: > >I have Richard married with his wife and Children for later years, > > >>>that is easy. >>>What I would love to know is his Father & Mother names. >>>Please can anyone advice, I would be so very grateful. >>>My best wishes, >>> Pat. >>> >>> > > > >Hi Pat, >his marriage certificate, if he married in England, will give the name and >occupation of his father. I always try to get that before I look for birth >records. It is easy to research the wrong person otherwise. > >good luck >Kathy > > >==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== >Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > >============================== >Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for >ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > >

Hi Robert, Thank you so much for your information, it is such a great help. I now have a better understanding of the area, to know names of churches really does make a difference when ordering films from the Mormon library. This is the main source of information for us living in Australia when doing research for the UK, I have noticed there is a lot more info coming out on the Internet, which is a bonus. Without the history and knowledge of the area you can get lost a bit, so thank you so very much for passing on your expertise. It is very much appreciated. My best wishes, Pat. Robert Tennant wrote: > Hi Pat, Eastham is 5 miles south of Birkenhead. Birkenhead as a > township in 1841 was only 20 years old having grow from a population > of 200 in 1821 to 8,223, its main Church St Mary's being built in > 1819. Prior to Birkenhead's development, Tranmere was the main near > township. The main church here is St Catharine's Church Road. The main > road from Birkenhead to Eastham in 1841 would be Old Chester Road as > it is now known. This highway traverses the Wirral towards Chester the > Principal County Town via Bebington and Bromborough, both have > Churches St Andrews and St Barnabus respectively. I think it right to > say that Eastham although a very old hamlet developed with the > expansion of the ferry services to Liverpool and prior to that, > community affiliations would have been focused around the above > villages or possibly Hooton, Willaston, Childer Thornton or Great > Sutton. The above is just an overview of the area at a given point in > time not a comprehensive history, the hamlets and villages of Wirral > changed beyond peoples comprehension in the space of 50 years. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "patluv57" <patluv57@iprimus.com.au> > To: <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 3:00 AM > Subject: [BKHD-Wirral] Carroll > > >> Hi There, >> I am new to your list, I live in Victoria Australia. >> I have joined your group to try and solve my on going puzzle. >> The name that I am having so much trouble with is Carroll. >> I have got back to Richard Carroll who was born approx 1835-6. On >> each census records he states that he was born in Eastham Cheshire, I >> have search but with no results because I have been told there was no >> Church in Eastham for those years. >> I have found a Richard Carroll who's age fits on the 1841 census >> living in Birkenhead which looks like Bk Chester Street. >> None of the Family names seem to fit, but I was wondering if anyone >> would know how close it is to Eastham and is it possible they >> baptised children when living in Birkenhead and it be classed as part >> of Eastham.? >> I hope there is someone who knows the area, and of a few surrounding >> Churches. >> I have Richard married with his wife and Children for later years, >> that is easy. >> What I would love to know is his Father & Mother names. >> Please can anyone advice, I would be so very grateful. >> My best wishes, >> Pat. >> >> >> ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== >> Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html >> >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >