Hello David According to http://www.fhsc.org.uk/fhsc/fiche.htm a fiche of Upton (Wirral) St Mary MI's can be purchased at minimal cost from the Family History Society of Cheshire. The Registers of Upton-in-Overchurch 1600-1812 were transcribed by William Ferguson Irvine and printed privately in London in 1900 for the Parish Register Society. I have access to a copy of this publication should you care to mention a few names & approximate dates. Regards Gordon From: "David Railton" <railton.david@btinternet.com> To: "BIRKENHEAD" <birkenhead@rootsweb.com>; "ENG-CHS-WIRRAL" <ENG-CHS-WIRRAL@rootsweb.com>; "cheshire@rootsweb. com" <cheshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 3:46 PM Subject: [BIRKENHEAD] Parish Church of Upton (Overchurch) - MIs >Can anyone please tell me if there are transcriptions available of the >monumental inscriptions at Upton (Overchurch) parish church. >David

Can anyone please tell me if there are transcriptions available of the monumental inscriptions at Upton (Overchurch) parish church. David

Janet Thanks for that. I've been pleased with the help I've had and am now pretty sure the destroyer in question was HMS Derwent. Regards, Gil -----Original Message----- From: birkenhead-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:birkenhead-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Janet Sent: 07 November 2006 23:03 To: birkenhead@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BIRKENHEAD] General - lost warship WW1 I'm not sure if this will help, but thought it was worth suggesting. I've found their contact team very responsive. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/militaryhistory/?homelink=main_military Find out which of the services the individual served in - the army, Royal Navy (including Royal Marines) or Royal Air Force. Any further details of the regiment and battalion, ship or squadron will also speed things up. You might get someone here to point you in the right direction perhaps http://www.royalnavalmuseum.org/ A D-Day Veteran friend of mine found one of his relatives who had gone down with a ship off Cornwall on a Memorial list in Portsmouth. Those circumstances were odd when there was very little activity off that coastline. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gilbert Upton" > Hi Marilyn, > > Unfortunately, there is no info about where it all happened. Presumably > there was some clampdown for security reasons which prevented such things > being published - I just have the family death notice in their local paper, > as mentioned. The casualty is not a family member so is a stranger to me. > Hence, no oral history to work with either. > > Your info looks spot on if only because of the date which is the one in the > family notice. Even better that there's just the one such loss on that date. > The sailor was a stoker so if it was a cataclysmic end to his ship he'd have > had poor odds on getting out alive. Any info on casualty numbers you know > of? > > Very many thanks for responding. I might just send the info to CWGC to see > if it helps them. > > With regards, > > Gil Upton > > -----Original Message----- > From: birkenhead-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:birkenhead-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marilyn McHaffie > Sent: 07 November 2006 21:46 > To: birkenhead@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BIRKENHEAD] General - lost warship WW1 > > Report of WW1 British warships that were sunk: On 2 May 1917 the > Derwent, British, River class Destroyer sank, mined near Le > Harve. > > Does this make sense re your records of where the sailor may > have been? > > Cheers > Marilyn > > > >>>> uptonga@tesco.net 8/11/2006 10:01 a.m. >>> > Does anyone have any info on where I might find a record of an > unknown RN > destroyer lost at sea on or about 2 May 1917? A family death > notice just > says 'one of HM destroyers'. Presumably, as a security measure, > they were > not allowed to publish such details. > > The sailor in question, who was lost on board, is unknown to > CWGC and so not > on their Debt of Honour Register. Although I have given them the > details of > his name and the date, CWGC have been unable to make a > connection with any > other casualties at that time or a lost RN vessel. > > Thanks for any leads you can give. > > Gil Upton > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BIRKENHEAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BIRKENHEAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BIRKENHEAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BIRKENHEAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi,not sure if this is what you mean but it does say "Cheshire: Overchurch - Register of Upton in Overchurch (Christenings, Marriages & Burials), 1600-1812"on the list at _http://www.bigenealogy.com/articles/5856.htm_ (http://www.bigenealogy.com/articles/5856.htm) Wendy

Report of WW1 British warships that were sunk: On 2 May 1917 the Derwent, British, River class Destroyer sank, mined near Le Harve. Does this make sense re your records of where the sailor may have been? Cheers Marilyn >>> uptonga@tesco.net 8/11/2006 10:01 a.m. >>> Does anyone have any info on where I might find a record of an unknown RN destroyer lost at sea on or about 2 May 1917? A family death notice just says 'one of HM destroyers'. Presumably, as a security measure, they were not allowed to publish such details. The sailor in question, who was lost on board, is unknown to CWGC and so not on their Debt of Honour Register. Although I have given them the details of his name and the date, CWGC have been unable to make a connection with any other casualties at that time or a lost RN vessel. Thanks for any leads you can give. Gil Upton ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BIRKENHEAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm not sure if this will help, but thought it was worth suggesting. I've found their contact team very responsive. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/militaryhistory/?homelink=main_military Find out which of the services the individual served in - the army, Royal Navy (including Royal Marines) or Royal Air Force. Any further details of the regiment and battalion, ship or squadron will also speed things up. You might get someone here to point you in the right direction perhaps http://www.royalnavalmuseum.org/ A D-Day Veteran friend of mine found one of his relatives who had gone down with a ship off Cornwall on a Memorial list in Portsmouth. Those circumstances were odd when there was very little activity off that coastline. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gilbert Upton" > Hi Marilyn, > > Unfortunately, there is no info about where it all happened. Presumably > there was some clampdown for security reasons which prevented such things > being published - I just have the family death notice in their local paper, > as mentioned. The casualty is not a family member so is a stranger to me. > Hence, no oral history to work with either. > > Your info looks spot on if only because of the date which is the one in the > family notice. Even better that there's just the one such loss on that date. > The sailor was a stoker so if it was a cataclysmic end to his ship he'd have > had poor odds on getting out alive. Any info on casualty numbers you know > of? > > Very many thanks for responding. I might just send the info to CWGC to see > if it helps them. > > With regards, > > Gil Upton > > -----Original Message----- > From: birkenhead-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:birkenhead-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marilyn McHaffie > Sent: 07 November 2006 21:46 > To: birkenhead@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BIRKENHEAD] General - lost warship WW1 > > Report of WW1 British warships that were sunk: On 2 May 1917 the > Derwent, British, River class Destroyer sank, mined near Le > Harve. > > Does this make sense re your records of where the sailor may > have been? > > Cheers > Marilyn > > > >>>> uptonga@tesco.net 8/11/2006 10:01 a.m. >>> > Does anyone have any info on where I might find a record of an > unknown RN > destroyer lost at sea on or about 2 May 1917? A family death > notice just > says 'one of HM destroyers'. Presumably, as a security measure, > they were > not allowed to publish such details. > > The sailor in question, who was lost on board, is unknown to > CWGC and so not > on their Debt of Honour Register. Although I have given them the > details of > his name and the date, CWGC have been unable to make a > connection with any > other casualties at that time or a lost RN vessel. > > Thanks for any leads you can give. > > Gil Upton > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BIRKENHEAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BIRKENHEAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BIRKENHEAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Marilyn, Unfortunately, there is no info about where it all happened. Presumably there was some clampdown for security reasons which prevented such things being published - I just have the family death notice in their local paper, as mentioned. The casualty is not a family member so is a stranger to me. Hence, no oral history to work with either. Your info looks spot on if only because of the date which is the one in the family notice. Even better that there's just the one such loss on that date. The sailor was a stoker so if it was a cataclysmic end to his ship he'd have had poor odds on getting out alive. Any info on casualty numbers you know of? Very many thanks for responding. I might just send the info to CWGC to see if it helps them. With regards, Gil Upton -----Original Message----- From: birkenhead-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:birkenhead-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marilyn McHaffie Sent: 07 November 2006 21:46 To: birkenhead@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BIRKENHEAD] General - lost warship WW1 Report of WW1 British warships that were sunk: On 2 May 1917 the Derwent, British, River class Destroyer sank, mined near Le Harve. Does this make sense re your records of where the sailor may have been? Cheers Marilyn >>> uptonga@tesco.net 8/11/2006 10:01 a.m. >>> Does anyone have any info on where I might find a record of an unknown RN destroyer lost at sea on or about 2 May 1917? A family death notice just says 'one of HM destroyers'. Presumably, as a security measure, they were not allowed to publish such details. The sailor in question, who was lost on board, is unknown to CWGC and so not on their Debt of Honour Register. Although I have given them the details of his name and the date, CWGC have been unable to make a connection with any other casualties at that time or a lost RN vessel. Thanks for any leads you can give. Gil Upton ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BIRKENHEAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BIRKENHEAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone have any info on where I might find a record of an unknown RN destroyer lost at sea on or about 2 May 1917? A family death notice just says 'one of HM destroyers'. Presumably, as a security measure, they were not allowed to publish such details. The sailor in question, who was lost on board, is unknown to CWGC and so not on their Debt of Honour Register. Although I have given them the details of his name and the date, CWGC have been unable to make a connection with any other casualties at that time or a lost RN vessel. Thanks for any leads you can give. Gil Upton

Is it possible that there is a veteran's group for the crew and officers of HMS Derwent? Also, if you do a Google search for "HMS Derwent" (be sure to use the quote marks) you get quite a few hits. Jon Raymond St Paul Park, MN, USA Web site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~raymond/

Hi Dorothy No I don't think this would work with the GRO, probably because they are working from the national indices. The local offices on the other hand have far fewer records to look at and, importantly, may have records that didnt make it to the central office. It may well be a legal requirement that they are not allowed to give away information or it may be for commercial reasons. So you cant ask, 'what is the father's name, what is the address' etc, but you can ask if the father's name is, say James, and they can tell you if you are correct. There may however be a difference between what they *can* do and what they *will* do - it maybe that answering questions like that is legal but not mandatory. So its a question of asking if they mind checking for you. There is a negative side to this, which doesn't seem to get mentioned very often, and that's the value of the unexpected. For example, you 'know' the father's name is George from census records, but on the birth cert it might be something else - people were often known by more than one name, or variants. So rather obviously, specifying details has its risks. And for marriages, you would need to know where it took place, because the records are usually done by individual church etc and it is a lot to look through. Hope this helps! Judy On 30 Oct 2006, at 15:00, Dorothy Spence wrote: > Hi Judy, > > Are you referring to ALL register offices? How about the GRO? I > wish I had > known that all along. I had ordered two certs. the other week and > got an > email Friday to say that neither one was right as the specified > father was > the wrong name! So instead of the 14 pounds it ONLY cost me 6 to find > nothing!!!!!!!!!! I have been down this road before but not too > many times. > > I will be waiting for your reply as I would love to find this > ancestor but I > can't afford to just keep throwing money away. > > Eagerly waiting, > Dorothy, Calgary, Canada > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BIRKENHEAD- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hello I have a marriage certficate for the Parish Church in the parish of Birkenhead, dated 8th October 1874 for the marriage between David Blair a 25 year old bachelor and Mary Walker a 22 year old spinster. David was a joiner living at 8 Ridley Street, with his father noted as Robert Blair, a farmer. Mary Walker lived at what looks like 114 Oxton Road, with her father listed as William Walker, a Gentleman. The certificate was signed by what looks like Francis W.C. Rigby the curate, and by witnesses George Magee and Jane Edwards. I would be extremely grateful for any information about David Blair and Mary Walker. My wife is descended from them and we have been trying to find out more about them. Family "legend" has it that Mary Walker came from Ireland and was descended from Reverend George Walker who was involved in the Seige of Derry. We live in Scotland and so cannot easily visit to do our own research, so any help would be much appreciated. Thanks Andrew Murray (and Christine nee Blair)

hi beverley my grand mother was sara jane jones her father thomas jones and mother alice and she married owen henshaw

you probably get info in the birkenhead town hall mortima street if i get the time im going to birkenhead near xmas i now live in scotland i will try and get some gen for you alice

That's very sweet of you Alice. Am looking for Ann Jones parents, her father a labourer Owen Jones. The name is so common. I have access to all the census' but need more to go on. If someone else gets there before you do have any spare time, l will let you know. Kind regards, Beverley ----- Original Message ----- From: <Alicerawley@aol.com> To: <birkenhead@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [BIRKENHEAD] S(Z)ion Chapel, Oliver Street records > you probably get info in the birkenhead town hall mortima street if i get > the time im going to birkenhead near xmas i now live in scotland i will > try and > get some gen for you alice > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BIRKENHEAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Two possible work-rounds. Register offices are not allowed to give out information before you buy a cert, but they ARE allowed to confirm specific details. If you phone up and ask nicely they can confirm which children have the 'correct' parents so you only order the right ones. Eg You can ask, are the parents named as Jacob HASTINGS and Ellen formerly ADAMS? And they say yes or no. I have used this method many times to confirm I had the right person before sending off a cheque. Method two: see if you can find marriages for the children. If you can identify the church, you can then contact the local record office for photocopies of the records. These should include fathers' details and if you are lucky, one or more siblings as witnesses. The photocopies are much cheaper than actual certs. Judy snip > > Thanks for the help, but I'll have to order certificates, I guess.

Thanks Alice, guess l won't be able to get anymore informaton..regards Beverley ----- Original Message ----- From: <Alicerawley@aol.com> To: <birkenhead@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 1:50 AM Subject: Re: [BIRKENHEAD] S(Z)ion Chapel, Oliver Street records > oliver st is all pulled down ecept for shop in grange rd which backs onto > oliver st, alice > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BIRKENHEAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Judy, Are you referring to ALL register offices? How about the GRO? I wish I had known that all along. I had ordered two certs. the other week and got an email Friday to say that neither one was right as the specified father was the wrong name! So instead of the 14 pounds it ONLY cost me 6 to find nothing!!!!!!!!!! I have been down this road before but not too many times. I will be waiting for your reply as I would love to find this ancestor but I can't afford to just keep throwing money away. Eagerly waiting, Dorothy, Calgary, Canada

oliver st is all pulled down ecept for shop in grange rd which backs onto oliver st, alice

Margaret HASTINGS on 1901 census RG13 3391 p14 All born Birkenhead Cheshire Albert Head 28 General Carter Emily wife 27 Sarah 7 Emily 5 Elizabeth 3 Margaret 4 months Henry Levell 22 Boarder Coal Labourer Robert Levell 19 Boarder Living 4 in 3 Payson St, Cleveland St, Birkenhead (?odd numbering) Albert Henry HASTINGS married Emily Maria Le Vell 1892 June qtr Birkenhead 8a 912 So Henry and Robert look like Emily, wife, brothers? If this is your family you can now get the marriage certificate instead of the birth for Margaret and take the family back a generation? Regards Pam -----Original Message----- From: birkenhead-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:birkenhead-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of M. Shaw Sent: 29 October 2006 23:54 To: Graham Pointon; BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com; ENG-CHS-WIRRAL-L@rootsweb.com; CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BIRKENHEAD] [CHS] Hastings births in Birkenhead Thanks for the information, Graham. That's what I was afraid of. LOL Regards, Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Pointon" <graham_pointon@lineone.net> To: "M. Shaw" <m_shaw@telusplanet.net>; <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com>; <ENG-CHS-WIRRAL-L@rootsweb.com>; <CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 3:04 PM Subject: RE: [CHS] Hastings births in Birkenhead > Marie - > > I'm afraid the only way you will find out who the parents of these > children are is to buy the certificates - LDS microfilm will have > no more information. > > Apologies for the bad news. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:cheshire-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of M. Shaw > Sent: 29 October 2006 20:34 > To: BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com; ENG-CHS-WIRRAL-L@rootsweb.com; > CHESHIRE@rootsweb.com > Subject: [CHS] Hastings births in Birkenhead > > > Hi, > > > > I'm not certain if this is an unreasonable request, but will ask anyway. > Is it possible for anyone to check these entries from the > FreeBMD for me so I could find out who the parents of the children are? > The nearest LDS FHC is too far away for me to order > microfilm. Or, is there any other resource available that I could check? > > > > Births Mar 1901 > > > Hastings Margaret Birkenhead 8a 466 > > Hastings Margaret Sophia Birkenhead 8a 466 > > > > Births Dec 1901 > > HASTINGS Dorothy Maude Birkenhead 8a 528 > > > > Births Mar 1904 > > > HASTINGS Frederick Birkenhead 8a 468 > > > > Births Jun 1906 > > Hastings Albert Henry Birkenhead 8a 505 > > > > Births Dec 1906 > > Hastings Albert Birkenhead 8a 466 > > > > Marie > > Alberta, Canada > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CHESHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.17/505 - Release Date: 27/10/06 > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.17/505 - Release Date: 27/10/06 > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BIRKENHEAD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Marie, The first one might be traceable in 1901. A Margaret shows up as daughter of Albert & Emily, aged 4 months. Let me know if you want the transcription. Sue