With regard to Cammell Lairds, I tried writing to their personnel department a few years ago, with no luck I'm afraid. I suspect that with several changes of ownership over the years and appointment of receivers from time to time that these sort of records could very well be lost, but like you I have various ancestors that worked in the yards, and would interested to hear if anybody else has got anywhere. Phil McLachlan -----Original Message----- From: Cpwill5@aol.com [mailto:Cpwill5@aol.com] Sent: 07 September 2001 10:50 To: BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Birkenhead-L] Hemingford street school/Cammell Lairds Does anyone know if there are any records/photo's for Hemingford street school and where they would be located, are they in the CRO? My dad Norman MATTHEWS went to Hemingford street school along with his brothers Andy and Alfie Also I'm interested in the existence and/or whereabouts of any records relating to Cammell Lairds workers, quite a few of my ancestors and relations were employed there. TIA Caryl List Owner ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== If you have any problems with this list please contact: List Owner Caryl Williams at cpwill5@aol.com ============================== Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! The information in this E-Mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It may not represent the views of WebX Limited. It is intended solely for the addressees. Access to this E-Mail by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any unauthorised recipient should advise the sender immediately of the error in transmission.

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I'm researching in Birkenhead: LEECH/LEACH Provisions dealer & Tobacco Manufacturer James LEECH b abt 1799 Newcastle Under Lyme Staffs, married Ann (?) lived in Higher Tranmere from abt 1830 until James died 1850 (admon 1851 CRO, Ann is still living) Their son John LEECH was born in 1821 Alford CHS, he married Ellen BALL (b 1823 Edge Green Lancs 1823) in 1850 in Liverpool, they had two children Elizabeth b 1852 Birkenhead,and John b 1855 Birkenhead. John LEECH is listed on 1861 Tranmere census living in 96 Alma Villas Bebington and 1871 Tranmere census living in 44 Derby road, on both census his occupation is given as Provisions dealer Also researching in Birkenhead MATTHEWS GORDON HORE and in Liverpool and Dublin GARVEY CARNEY FARRELL McMAHONE Caryl List Owner

Does anyone know if there are any records/photo's for Hemingford street school and where they would be located, are they in the CRO? My dad Norman MATTHEWS went to Hemingford street school along with his brothers Andy and Alfie Also I'm interested in the existence and/or whereabouts of any records relating to Cammell Lairds workers, quite a few of my ancestors and relations were employed there. TIA Caryl List Owner

Hello to Everone You all are probably on some of the other lists that I am on. but for those that are new and not on the other lists, here are my names. JONES - Liverpool and now Birkenhead especially at this stage Percival JONES. He married Lilian BROMILOW the rest are around West Derby, Everton, Abercrombe, Warrington, DURHAM & YKS as far as I know at this stage, BUT my lot travelled around a fair bit so I never know where they are going to turn up next. PIMBLETT ROBERTS BEAMISH BROMILOW If you send me an email and I don't answer please forgive me as I am having some problems with my pc.and I don't know how many emails I am not getting try again in a weeks time and hopefully I will receive it then.and have all my bugs sorted out. thanks Sharyn AUSTRALIA

Hi all I am sending this post to a few people and lists so if you receive it more than once I am sorry. I am having some major pc problems ( no I haven't got a virus, just worn out pc) and may be unable to reply to any mail sent to me. Some of my mail already I have not received. So please if you have sent me something I am sorry for not getting back to you. I am going to have to put my Hard drive in for a major overhall is seems, so I do not know how long I will be off air. Please try sending me an email again If I do not reply to your emails now, as hopefully I should be back on top of it all soon. Thanks Sharyn

Does anyone know what time of the year/month the airshows were held at Hooton in the mid/late 1950s? On a Saturday as I vaguely recall it. I particularly want to get details of the 1955 one - my first flight - in a De Havilland Rapide. My dad paid £5 each for us to go up for 15 mins or so. Gil Upton www.tranmereroversbooks.com

Flaybrick Hill cemetery, Tollemache Road Ruth Wilson Wallasey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Madison L Sheely" <madison123@juno.com> To: <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 5:22 PM Subject: [Birkenhead-L] Looking for cemetery > Hi! > > I have just come upon a reference to a "Flaybuck Hill" as a location of a > cemetery where my gt-grandparents are buried. "Flaybuck" is the best I > can make out from the handwriting. > > Can anyone help with identifying and locating this area/cemetery? > > Thanks in advance. > > Madison in Minnesota > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > If you have any problems with this list please contact: > List Owner Caryl Williams at cpwill5@aol.com > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

Hello Madison, you will probably have many replies to this question. Landigan Cemetary Record Office hold all the local Cemetary Records, The one you are looking for is Flaybrick , the office is open to inspect the records on a wednesday by appointment, obviously you can't get there but if you give them a ring, the phone number is 0151-677-2361, the office there are very helpful , You need the following info:- Name, Religion, Date of death or Burial for one person, that will give you the grave number, then referring to the grave number will give you the Names of the other people in that grave, The records for Flaybrick have also been microfilmed recently and are held at the new archives facility at Birkenhead Town Hall. Tel:0151 666 3903 e-mail archives@wirral-libraries.net Address Wirral Archives Wirral Museum Town Hall Hamilton Square Birkenhead Wirral CH41 5BR Regards John Oliver (Upton, Wirral) ---------- Original Message ----- From: Madison L Sheely <madison123@juno.com> To: <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 5:22 PM Subject: [Birkenhead-L] Looking for cemetery > Hi! > > I have just come upon a reference to a "Flaybuck Hill" as a location of a > cemetery where my gt-grandparents are buried. "Flaybuck" is the best I > can make out from the handwriting. > > Can anyone help with identifying and locating this area/cemetery? > > Thanks in advance. > > Madison in Minnesota > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > If you have any problems with this list please contact: > List Owner Caryl Williams at cpwill5@aol.com > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Do you know anything about the descendants of Charles Thompson of Hemingford St Mission fame? The reason I ask is that, as a child, I lived across Ben Nevis Rd from Hugh Thompson and his wife. I believe Hugh was the son (or perhaps nephew?) of Charles Thompson. In any event, when we were little boys, my brother and I went to the Mission quite often and called Miss Annie Thompson, who ran it in the 40's and 50's, "Auntie Annie". Regards. __________________________________________________________________ David N. Burton 95 Thatcher Drive Winnipeg, MB, CANADA R3T 2L6 Phone: (204)-269-8774 EMail: DN_Burton@UManitoba.Ca "These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others". Groucho Marx. __________________________________________________________________

Flaybrick Memorial Gardens Flaybrick Memorial Gardens (formerly Flaybrick Cemetery) is Wirral's finest Victorian cemetery. Opened on the 30th May 1864 it is the final resting place of many of Wirral's famous and interesting people. Set in 26 acres of landscaped gardens containing a great variety of memorial architecture with inscriptions relating to events both local and world-wide it makes an interesting and different way to study Birkenhead and Wirral's social history. From large family vaults to public graves all levels of society are buried there. Designed by Mr Edward Kemp curator of Birkenhead Park, Flaybrick has many fine examples of mature trees, some of them quite rare. As part of the development of Flaybrick new species of trees are being added every year to create an arboretum. With many of the trees having identifying labels and other interesting shrub areas it makes for a pleasant stroll even if social history is not your interest. Part of the cemetery has been developed into a summer flowering meadow to help attract even more species of butterflies and other insects. Management of other parts of the cemetery has been changed to encourage the wildflowers that naturally occur, and wildlife oasis are being created. With it's diverse bird population, mammals, insects and wildflowers, British nature is well represented thus giving another reason to visit. Since no new graves are permitted in Flaybrick Cemetery the name was changed in 1994 to Flaybrick Memorial Gardens. Some to the more interesting personages who are buried there include Alderman Frederick Smith, father of the illustrious F.E. Smith who became Lord Birkenhead and (some say) the greatest of all Lord Chancellors. An obelisk commemorates Charles Thompson whose Mission (still operating in Hemingford Street) helps the poor and underprivileged. A headstone with a Celtic cross marks the grave of James Cochrane whose ironworks built the Resurgam, the world's first submarine. Another grave holds the remains of Dr Arthur Doodson who devised the tide prediction machine (a sort of manual computer) at Bidston Observatory which prepared the tidal charts for the 1944 D-Day landings in Normandy. There is the story of the hapless Lock Ah Tan, a greatly respected member of the Chinese community in Birkenhead, who, in a fit of rage, killed his wife and two daughters. He was defended by the legendary Marshall Hall who pleaded insanity. It was to no avail and Lok Ah Tan was found guilty and hanged in Walton Gaol. His family is buried in Flaybrick. The most intriguing tale is that of Isaac Roberts FRS, a pioneer in celestial photography, who was the first man to photograph anything outside the earth's own galaxy. His striking granite monument, bearing astronomical symbols and designs, is arguably the finest in Flaybrick. But there are many others, all with a tale to tell. The address for Flaybrick Cemetery/Memorial Gardens is: Tollemache Road, Birkenhead

>Does anyone know what time of the year/month the >airshows were held at Hooton in the mid/late 1950s? On >a Saturday as I vaguely recall it. > >I particularly want to get details of the 1955 one - my >first flight - in a De Havilland Rapide. My dad paid £5 >each for us to go up for 15 mins or so. > >Gil Upton >www.tranmereroversbooks.com Hello Gil, I don't remember the dates, but I do recall riding my bike (Hercules) all the way from Higher Tranmere (Ben Nevis Rd) to see the air show -- especially the Meteors, when jet aircraft were a novelty. Also, I remember seeing an F-86 Sabre in the ground display and being amazed at how thin the metal was! I had (wish I had it now) a piece of Mosquito wing fabric purloined from the fence around Hooton airfield. Thanks for reviving a few old memories. Regards. __________________________________________________________________ David N. Burton 95 Thatcher Drive Winnipeg, MB, CANADA R3T 2L6 Phone: (204)-269-8774 EMail: DN_Burton@UManitoba.Ca "These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others". Groucho Marx. __________________________________________________________________

I am posting my interests to this list in the hope that someone will recognise the names I am researching. I am searching for my father's birth certificate - Michael Martin PIERCE - born around 1906, possibly Seacombe, Wallasey or Birkenhead. His father's name was Richard and he also had a brother called Richard, a sister who's name I do not know and a niece called Patricia. I am also interested to find out if anyone is researching the name JOY. I am particulary interested in a Daniel and Hannah Joy who lived at 72 Kelvin Road, Seacombe in 1939,and Daniel and Patricia Joy and Margaret and Arthur McCulloch (Margaret McCulloch's maiden name may have been Joy and they were possibly married in 1925 in Birkenhead area) who lived at the same address in 1945. Were these people related to Michael Martin PIERCE. He gave 72 Kelvin Road as his discharge address when he left the army in 1945. I have tried everything I can to locate his birth certificate all to no avail. He died in 1963. Some of you may have heard my story before from the Cheshire mailing list and to those people I apologise but any information will be gratefully received. Many thanks, Maureen - Oxfordshire

>Hi! > >I have just come upon a reference to a "Flaybuck Hill" as a location of a >cemetery where my gt-grandparents are buried. "Flaybuck" is the best I >can make out from the handwriting. > >Can anyone help with identifying and locating this area/cemetery? > >Thanks in advance. > >Madison in Minnesota It's Flaybrick Cemetery in the Claughton area of Birkenhead. I believe it is now full so there are no modern burials. I'm not sure who'd have the records but Wirral is the local government area I think. __________________________________________________________________ David N. Burton 95 Thatcher Drive Winnipeg, MB, CANADA R3T 2L6 Phone: (204)-269-8774 EMail: DN_Burton@UManitoba.Ca "These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others". Groucho Marx. __________________________________________________________________

Hi! I have just come upon a reference to a "Flaybuck Hill" as a location of a cemetery where my gt-grandparents are buried. "Flaybuck" is the best I can make out from the handwriting. Can anyone help with identifying and locating this area/cemetery? Thanks in advance. Madison in Minnesota

Hi all Just moved across the water, chasing people in Birkenhead, Wirral, and Eastham to name a few places. McCormick James born, 18 Jackson st Birkenhead Jul 1853 Father Michael, mother Margaret (nee Driscoll) In 1851 Michael was in Livingstone St Roberts Susan born Eastham sep 1858, father Thomas mother Harriet (nee Stones) Helsby anywhere. Any information on these families appreciated. Regards Peter Peter Helsby Albany Western Australia FHS Cheshire Member No. 3565UN

Hello All Can anyone help with any information on the THORBURN Family of Birkenhead. They we believe lived at 11 Cearns Road Birkenhead and we ask:- Is Cearns Road still current and if so does anyone know whether number 11 is still standing and what it is now? Can anyone shed any light on the family ? Names such as LOUIS KENNETH THORBURN Eleanor Jane THORBURN Ian Campbell Thorburn Ida Mary Thorburn Madeline Preston Keith Preston Nellie Male We know that Louis is buried in the Flaybrick Hill cemetery, and his wife died in 1913 but not much else. Places such as Wirral, West Kirby, Oxton, Withington all are mentioned a lot in old letters but we need a decent map source to find out where they were. Any information would be a great help Please . My Email address is adams@firedream.net John Adams

Thanks for all the information Andy and for such a clear picture of how all the parishes fit together. My knowledge of Birkenhead is mainly confined to Grange Road, the Market, the Ritz Cinema (probably now demolished), Tranmere Rovers and Hamilton Square, mostly a long time ago though I have revisited twice recently. I believe that a new church(St. Paul's?) was built in Tranmere to cover, amongst other people's, the needs of Hr. Bebington residents until they had a church of their own. It was supposed to be handier for them than St. Andrew's in Lr. Bebington but was not used all that much by "Fir Bob" residents who continued to attend St. Andrews. There is a reference to Tranmere being within the parish of Bebington in the details of a charity which was specifically for the poor of the township of Tranmere. I found this in a book about St. Andrew's by Richard Lancelyn Green. Tara well, Hazel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Bell" <ajb1605@hotmail.com> To: <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 04 September 2001 14:20 Subject: [Birkenhead-L] Re: BIRKENHEAD-D Digest V01 #1 > For Hazel > > To the best of my knowledge, Tranmere (and Higher Tranmere) have never been > part of Bebington, but certainly next to it. (Likewise there is a Lower and > Higher Bebington) > > The frontage of the Wirral facing the Mersey, opposite Liverpool, is a > string of townships, all incorporating numerous villages, and in VERY > simplistic terms runs from North to Southeast as follows...Wallasey, > Birkenhead, Bebington, Bromborough/Eastham. > > This frontage must run for at least 8-10 miles, at a guess, hence the answer > to your question, why would marriages take place in a chapel in Birkenhead > instead of Bebington Parish Church. Long way - lots of churches in between. > > Tranmere is a part of Birkenhead that sits pretty much next to Bebington, > and it's constituent villages of Rock Ferry and New Ferry (Note all the > "Ferry" connections - the Priory is at a place actually formerly called > Monks Ferry, now next door to the current landing stage of Woodside. The > other current ferry terminal is in Wallasey, at Seacombe. New Brighton, at > the Northern end of Wallasey, which once was, and is becoming again, a major > local seaside attraction, used to have a pier and it's own Ferry). > > (Next to Tranmere is Prenton, home of the greatest Football team in the > world, the mighty Tranmere Rovers FC.) > > No doubt I will attract a load of responses telling me I didn't mention > this, or I should have said that, but this is just a very brief mental image > for you of the area of which you are enquiring. > > Hope it helps. > Andy Bell > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ______________________________

Will someone kindly explain what the Wirral is and how it fits into Birkenhead - maybe there is a good map site I could go to - I do have a modern Multiscale map of Britain that is too general - but at least I can find out where places are Joy in Melbourne Australia

Greetings all; My first posting on the new list. My great great grand parents were WILLIAM HOUGHTON and SARAH JANE McGRATH. They married at Birkenhead Parish Church (where was that?) on 1st July 1855. William (a baker by occupation) was the son of William Houghton who was "an organist" who would have employed an organist in the 1850's? Sarah Jane was the daughter of Joseph McGrath who was a shop keeper Are there any directories where he might be listed? Witnesses were John Edwards and Jane Donohue. No addresses were given, they were both of "full age" On 14th April 1859 at 93 Brook Street (area?) they had a daughter Sarah Catherine. In the 1881 census she was in service for a family called Hengler in Liverpool. She married Henry Alexander Sim in Liverpool in 1883; on the marriage certificate her fathers occupation looks like "coin sampler" (what was that?). She had six children, my grand father was her last, she died shortly afterwards aged just 36. Any help or information would be much appreciated. Alan Westbury sub Mendip