> Hello List, > I found out this morning the Poem I sent LEST WE FORGET is the same poem > as JUST A COMMON SOLDER Author A. Lawrence Vaincourt. I checked it out on > .www.Google.com . It has the history of this beautiful poem. > It was past on to me a few years ago, I did not know were it came from or > who the Author was. I just knew it was a beauiful poem. My Thanks to > A.Lawrence Vaincourt. and I will change my copy. > Pat and Bill > pat0bill@telusplanet.net >

CAn someone e mail me the regular mail address for St La2urence Roman Catholic Church in Birkenhead? fred waring jfwaring @compuserve.com

Hi Gil, Thanks for your reply to my e-mail. I have just started researching the Uptons'. John Elderson was married to Roberta Jane Upton on the 1st. March 1898 and they had a son John , born Oct. 19, 1898 in Liscard Reberta.s father was Robert Upton and I think his wife was Ellen. Thanks for your interest you never know somewhere along the line we may link up. Regards, John

John I am an Upton but no known connection with an Elderson. My Upton family (gg/gps and offspring) came over from Westmeath/Offaly in the mid-1880s. If this sounds at all interesting, let me know. Gil Upton -----Original Message----- From: JohnSwarb1139903@aol.com [mailto:JohnSwarb1139903@aol.com] Sent: 09 November 2001 20:00 To: BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BKHD] baker-journeyman Hi, I am researching the following names that are linked to ELDERSON by marriage in the Birkenhead area. William ELDERSON had nine children and owned a bakery in Birkenhead in the 1870's . I would appreciate any information on the following families as the Elderson's married into them :- THRELFALL JORDAN UPTON DE GRAY PLUNKET If anybody is researching the above names and comes across any information it would be appreciated. I have the 1881 census details of William Elderson. Regards, John S. ============================== Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history learning and how-to articles on the Internet. http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library

Hi, I am researching the following names that are linked to ELDERSON by marriage in the Birkenhead area. William ELDERSON had nine children and owned a bakery in Birkenhead in the 1870's . I would appreciate any information on the following families as the Elderson's married into them :- THRELFALL JORDAN UPTON DE GRAY PLUNKET If anybody is researching the above names and comes across any information it would be appreciated. I have the 1881 census details of William Elderson. Regards, John S.

> LEST WE FORGET > > He was getting old and paunchy and his hair was falling fast > And he sat around the Legion telling stories of the past. > Of a war that he fought in and the deeds that he had done, > In his exploits with his buddies ; they were heroes, everyone. > > And tho' sometimes to his neighbours, his tales became a joke, > All his Legion buddies listened, for they knew whereof he spoke. > But we'll hear his tales no longer, for old Bill has passed away > And the world's a little poorer, for a soldier died today. > > He well not be mourned by many, just his children and his wife, > For he lived an ordinary quiet and unevenful life, > Held a job and raised a family, quietly going his own way; > And the world won,t note his passing, 'tho a soldier died today. > > When politicians leave this earth, there bodies lie in state, > While thousands note there passing and proclaim that they are great, > Papers tell there life stories from the time that they are young, > But the passing of a soldier goes unnoticed and unsung. > > In the greatest contribution to the welfare of our land > A guy who breaks his promises and cons his fellow man ? > Or the ordinary fellow who in times of war and strife > Goes off to serve his country and offers up his life? > > A politician's stipend and the style in which he lives > Are sometimes disproportionate to service that he gives, > While the ordinary soldier, who offers up his all, > Is payed off with a medal, and perhaps a pension small. > > It's so easy to forget them, for it was so long ago > That the Old Bill's of out country went to battle, but we knew > It was not the politicians, with there compromise and ploys, > Who won for us the freedom that our country now enjoys. > > Should you find yourself in danger with your enemies at hand, > Would you want a politician with his ever shifting stand ? > Or would you prefer a soldier who has sworn to defend > His home, his kin and country and would fight until the end ? > > He was just a common soldier and his ranks are growing thin > But his presence should remind us we may need his like again, > For when countries are in conflict then we find the soldier's part > Is to clean up all the troubles that the politicians start. > > If we cannot do him honour while he's here to hear the praise > Then at least let's give him homage at the ending of his days, > Perhaps just a simple headline in a paper that would say; > OUR COUNTRY IS IN MOURNING, FOR A SOLDIED DIED TODAY.

Hello List, I feel Good today, I think I may have gotten help with my V.B.C.E Birkenhead. that is on my Grandfathers Attestation Papers. It has been suggested Royal Engineers, Welsh Division Cheshire Field Company.the address 79a Harrowby Road, Birkenhead. Now my next step , I would think my Grandfather would have been with this Volunteer Battalion between 1900 and 1909. as he was born in 1883 Birkenhead, and was here in Canada in 1910. (It says he served with them for three years ) Can anyone tell me any thing about this Battalion, could it have been with the Boer War ??Is they maybe somewere that has records ?? Does this 79a Harrowby Road still exist ??I ,m full of questions again.But Oh I feel Good. It seems I have been working on this for such a long time. If you feel you can help me Please do. It would truely be appreciated. Pat and Bill (/___/) (= ',' =) (")__(") pat0bill@telusplanet.net

List, Has anyone heard when the film of the Flaybrick Cemetery records made by the LDS church will be available in their catalog? Tom Wood Pittsburgh, PA USA _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

This is a wee bit before my time but I noticed the following in the Liverpool Echo 'Old Pals' Sat Nov 3rd "We are making a documentary about the Home Front during WW1. If you have any interesting memories, contact Ellen Quinn, Testimony Films, 12 Great George street, Bristol BS1 5RS Tel: 0117-9258589" By the way the Echo also has a message board if you are looking for an old pal or relative at www.icLiverpool.co.uk Caryl Williams Birkenhead-L List Owner Wirral Memories List Owner http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Wirral-Memories Liverpool Churches http://caryl_williams.tripod.com/churches-2.html Liverpool marriages and Obits http://caryl_williams.tripod.com/Liverpool.html Liverpool Snippets http://caryl_williams.tripod.com/Liversnips.html

A while ago while I was in CRO, I copied a number of MATTHEWS marriages and baptisms for St John's Parish church Birkenhead Here they are, they may help someone else: 2nd April James Hill MATTHEWS widower age 41, Occupation accountant married Jane GLENDENNING, age 40 Father of James, James MATTHEWS occupation metal worker Father of Jane Thomas GLENDENNING occupation farmer 15th July 1865 James MATTHEWS widower aged 49 Occupation joiner Married Anne SANDERS age 38 Father of James, not mentioned Father of Anne, Robert SANDERS Occupation miner 21st July 1872 Mary Catherine MATTHEWS, no ages shown for bride and groom Married Walter DAVIES, Occupation Engine Fitter Father of Mary Edward MATTHEWS Occupation Blacksmith Father of Walter, Edward DAVIES, occupation Grocer 28th February 1875 Sarah MATTHEWS aged 19 Married John GOODWIN, no age shown, Occupation miller Father of Sarah, Thomas MATTHEWS, occupation tailor Father of John John GOODWIN occupation Miller Baptisms 6th February 1873 Florence Alice Mary MATTHEWS 19 Grosvenor rd Mother and father not mentioned 24th January 1884 John MATTHEWS 1 Chapel Place Father Daniel EDWARDS, labourer Mother Jane MATTHEWS 28th November Ann MATTHEWS 35 Thomas street Father Thomas MATTHEWS, occupation labourer Mother Mary MATTHEWS 25th May Abilene Hester MATTHEWS 42 Menai street Father Robert MATTHEWS, occupation plumber Mother Charlotte Elizabeth MATTHEWS 17th July 1907 Franny Dickenson MATTHEWS 26 Ridley street Father Andrew MATTHEWS, occupation Railway porter Mother Mary MATTHEWS 6th July 1910 Elizabeth MATTHEWS 12 Moon street Father Andrew MATTHEWS, occupation driver Mother Mary MATTHEWS Also have some trade Directory entries for MATTHEWS 1869 and 1874 if anyone is interested Caryl Williams List Owner

The PRO website has been updated to give more details about the online 1901 Census: http://www.census.pro.gov.uk/news.htm Best Wishes, Karen EYES Family History http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~karenohare Liverpool Photographers http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpoolphotographers

Hi all from gorgeous Michigan (in the US of A) where the Northern Lights are at their very most spectacular!! Have never seen any so brilliant and so colorful! But back to genealogy. BIRKENHEAD is the name I am trying to track, and it seems to me that there just might be some long-ago connection between the BIRKENHEAD family and the city of the same name. Here is the scanty bit that I have been able to trace. "My" BIRKENHEAD connection was Bridget BIRKENHEAD, born about 1578 in Huxley, Cheshire or Chester, depending on the source. Her father appears to have been Henry (Dr. Henry?) BIRKENHEAD, also of Huxley, who married first Mary BOSTOCK/BOSTWICK, daughter of Hugh BOSTOCK or BOSTWICK, Esq of Huxley. No children there, but 8-10 of them from second marriage to Elizabeth BUNBURY, daughter of Margaret ALDERSEY and Henry BUNBURY, Esq of Stanney. Henry and Elizabeth's daughter, Bridget, married John CHETWODE, Esq, of Oakley. Oakley Hall in Oakley, Staffs, to be precise. I know that these people are not from Birkenhead, but I do wonder what connection there might be between this family and the city. Anyone have any speculations? Thanks. Nancy keithnancy@t-one.net

Hi Tom. My apology. The address should have read html at the end not htm sorry. On the site is a list of stays from Cheshire who was living around Romsbottom at the time of the 1891census. But only one DAVIES. My search for the name Bird is centred in the Wirral. Jack

Greetings, My great grandparents lived at 43, Bromborough Road, Bebington, before moving to Port Sunlight. Current computer locating maps show 43 and other odd numbers missing. which would indicate the houses on one side of the street were torn down to make way for somthing else. Can anyone tell me what happened to the houses and what is located there now? Just curious. Cheers and regards, John Farrall Burke, Virginia USA Researching: FARRALL BEBINGTON DAWSON WHITEHEAD

Nice to see you on the list Jack. Say Hi to Lillian for me if you speak to her. Best Wishes, Sue. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jack11" <jack11@tinyonline.co.uk> To: <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 3:04 PM Subject: [BKHD] Lillian Horton > Hi Sue > Yes Lillian Horton is my great Aunt. > You brought us together when she was looking for the name BUSTARD. > "Great" to hear you again. > Jack > > > ============================== > Ancestry.com--Your #1 Source for Family History Online--FREE for 14 Days > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1238 >

Hi Sue Yes Lillian Horton is my great Aunt. You brought us together when she was looking for the name BUSTARD. "Great" to hear you again. Jack

Hi Jack, you're not the Jack related to Lilian Horton are you? Sue. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jack11" <jack11@tinyonline.co.uk> To: <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 7:42 PM Subject: [BKHD] re name RAMSBOTTOM > Tom > Have you seen the site > http://website.lineone.net/~davghalgh/ramsbottom.httm > > Jack > searching the name BIRD > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 >

Hello All, My genealogy interest in Birkenhead include three families: ELLIS, STRATTON and McALPINE. Richard Ellis, who was a police inspector in Amlwch and Holyhead until c1865, arrived in Birkenhead in c 1870 with his wife Sarah and six children (Margaret, Thomas, John Samuel, William, Edward Rowland and Robert). Local directories record him as a Mail Contractor and Car Proprieter. John Samuel (my GGrandfather) and his family moved to Bootle before returning to the Clifton area of Birkenhead. I know nothing of the fortunes (or otherwise) of the other children. The Strattons came from Newtown in Hampshire. Henry owned a wringing machine dealership in Borough Road while his son George was Librarian at Birkenhead Library and Curator at the Williamson Art Gallery during the 1930's and 1940's. Robert William Stewart (Wilhelm Steinmetz) McAlpine came to Birkenhead from Belfast and was, at one time, agent in Liverpool for the Great Northern Railway (Ireland). He married Eliza Stratton and one of their daughters married a son of John Samuel Ellis. None of these people could be said to have changed the world but, like all ancestors, must have an interesting story to tell. I should be grateful for information to get me out of my present cul de sac from anyone who might have links with their family tree. Thank you, John Ellis

Jack, I just tried this website and got the following message: Sorry, this user has not setup their web page. However why not check out the LineOne's Member Website of the Week or Search LineOne's Member Websites or Create/edit your Website ______________ Have you ever accessed the site? Also, I see you are interested in the BIRD name. Does any of your research pass through Ince in Makerfield in Lancashire? Tom >From: "jack11" <jack11@tinyonline.co.uk> >Reply-To: BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com >To: BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [BKHD] re name RAMSBOTTOM >Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 19:42:19 -0000 > >Tom >Have you seen the site >http://website.lineone.net/~davghalgh/ramsbottom.httm > >Jack >searching the name BIRD > > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Tom Have you seen the site http://website.lineone.net/~davghalgh/ramsbottom.httm Jack searching the name BIRD