Can anybody suggest which Church of England a person living on Warwick Street between 1871 and 1881 would likely attend? I suppose the question is which church is nearest. fred waring jfwaring@compuserve.com

Hello Ann Remember me, we met at the Hoylake Lifeboat Day a couple of years back? I was the one with the dogs! I have a copy of the Roberts book and as far as I know the post office on Market Street is still selling old copies off. If you want a copy let me know and I'll get one sent off to you. Kind regards Cath Mrs C E McGrath BA MA Chief Dogsbody of Boxer Rescue (UK) e-mail: boxerlady@quista.net www.boxer-rescue.co.uk Postal address: PO Box 127 Hoylake CH47 2AU UK Home: 0151 632 5887 - until 31/12/01 New home: 01352 714833 - from about 15/11/01 0775 925 0496 - until the dogs eat yet another mobile phone! Best contact times: 9-12 most mornings 8-10 most evenings The dogs here rely on our dedicated care and your generosity! ----- Original Message ----- From: Anne Nazari <parkjoy@alphalink.com.au> To: <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2001 10:55 PM Subject: [BKHD] Book: Hoylake and Meols Past by ROBERTS > Hi To All, I did not receive any reply to my request on the Cheshire Mailing > List so thought I'd try my luck again, and also with the Birkenhead List. > > Does anyone remember the book by ROBERTS called "Hoylake and Meols Past" It > was written by a man who lived in Hoylake as a youth, his families on both > sides were Hoylake fishermen. I think he was from the SHERLOCK and ROBERTS > line. I am very interested in obtaining a copy of this book and would > appreciate any help in doing so. I tried several online bookshops, but could > not find it listed. > > At one time there was a relative of Mr > ROBERTS interested in genealogy on the Cheshire List. Are you still around? > > Kind Regards from Anne in Australia. > > > > > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Mrs C E McGrath BA MA Chief Dogsbody of Boxer Rescue (UK) e-mail: boxerlady@quista.net www.boxer-rescue.co.uk Postal address: PO Box 127 Hoylake CH47 2AU UK Home: 0151 632 5887 - until 31/12/01 New home: 01352 714833 - from about 15/11/01 0775 925 0496 - until the dogs eat yet another mobile phone! Best contact times: 9-12 most mornings 8-10 most evenings The dogs here rely on our dedicated care and your generosity!

sorry Fred, I should explain. In the LDS 1881 census index, there are 12 matches for furniture+dealer+martha on the West Midlands disc, and the entry I found is the only one where the furniture dealer begins with 'V'. There is another John and Martha VENABLES in Birkenhead, with a quite different occupation. Further evidence might be found in trade directories. I also found the entry for Ann WARING which 'PINKS' found and thought it a likely match - Ann WARING here is a widow of course. As for the connection between the two, I wonder whether John VENABLES's mother was a WARING. Judy ---------- >From: "J A Olsen" <Copywriter@tesco.net> >To: BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [BKHD] baptism certificate puzzles >Date: Mon, Nov 19, 2001, 6:37 pm > > removed to numbers 75&77 Price Street... > > John Venables furniture dealer and wife Martha. > > Could someone with a PC cut and paste the complete entry for Fred? > > > Judy > > > ---------- >>From: Fred & Joan Waring <jfwaring@compuserve.com> >>To: BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [BKHD] baptism certificate puzzles >>Date: Mon, Nov 19, 2001, 1:23 pm >> > >> >> I have an 1875 baptism record from St Mary's in Birkenhead which includes >> an indecipherable name. >> The name starts with "Ve......" but that is all I can be sure about. The >> address of Mr John Ve & Mrs. Martha Ve is 143 Price Street. >> >> >> ============================== >> Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >> Source for Family History Online. Go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 >> >> > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi To All, if anyone has access to the 1871 census for Tranmere, could you please look up the family who were living at "Kindav Villa" Dingle Road Tranmere. This is an address from a marriage certificate of 1870. The McKNIGHT family should be listed there in that year, but I could not find them on the 1881 census. Regards from Anne in Australia.

Hello To All, I am open to suggestions for finding my COX family address for the years 1920 to 1931. I would also very much like to find some or their descendents. Two very kind people have looked up the COX name references in the 1891 Birkenhead Census for me, but my COX family who were all born in Leicester, were not listed. I looking for a Mary Ann b1855 in Leicester married to William Hodgkins COX. There were 2 children, W.H.K. COX b1875 Leic and Francis C. COX b1878 Leicester. (as in the 1881 census of Leicester) As far as I can ascertain, Mary Ann COX was living in Birkenhead in 1920 and at least until 1931 when her brother, Edwin KILBY died in Vancouver Canada. Mary Ann COX of Birkenhead was named as a beneficiary. When a sister Alice KILBY died in Vancouver Canada in 1931, there was no mention of Mary Ann COX in the obituary. Perhaps Mary Ann COX died between 1931 and 1934? I am trying to establish a link between this COX family and Anna ANDERSON who was born in Birkenhead in 1859. Anna ANDERSON married William BOYLE of St Helens Lancashire, and they were my G. Grandparents. Any help would be appreciated. Anne.

by the way, note the middle initial "W" for 2 of John and Martha;s kids..... Judy ---------- >From: Fred & Joan Waring <jfwaring@compuserve.com> >To: BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [BKHD] baptism certificate puzzles >Date: Mon, Nov 19, 2001, 1:23 pm > > > I have an 1875 baptism record from St Mary's in Birkenhead which includes > an indecipherable name. > The name starts with "Ve......" but that is all I can be sure about. The > address of Mr John Ve & Mrs. Martha Ve is 143 Price Street.

Some of these might fit? Dwelling: 38 Warwick St Census Place: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Source: FHL Film 1341857 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3580 Folio 133 Page 35 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Ann WARING W 52 F Heswall, Cheshire, England Rel: Head Occ: Laundress Robert WARING U 24 M Bhead, Cheshire, England Rel: Son Occ: Joiner James WARING U 18 M Bhead, Cheshire, England Rel: Son Occ: Dairyman Andrew WARING U 8 M Bhead, Cheshire, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar John WARING U 6 M Bhead, Cheshire, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Thomas IVORY U 60 M Ireland Rel: Visitor Occ: Tailor John WIER M 38 M Ireland Rel: Lodger Occ: Gardener (Dom) Dwelling: 75 & 77 Price St Census Place: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Source: FHL Film 1341856 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3577 Folio 11 Page 16 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Jno VENABLES M 36 M Bebington, Cheshire, England Rel: Head Occ: Furniture Dealer Employing 2 Boys Martha VENABLES M 28 F Northop, Flint, Wales Rel: Wife Jno. W. VENABLES 5 M Bhead, Cheshire, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Henry F. VENABLES 4 M Bhead, Cheshire, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Fred W. VENABLES 1 M Bhead, Cheshire, England Rel: Son Ann QUINN U 17 F Bhead, Cheshire, England Rel: Servt Occ: General Servant Sarah A. LEDSHAN U 14 F Bhead, Cheshire, England Rel: Nurse Occ: General Servant Building: 143 Price St UNINHABITED Census Place: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Source: FHL Film 1341856 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3577 Folio 53 Page 15 Dwelling: 9 Ridley St Census Place: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Source: FHL Film 1341857 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3581 Folio 73 Page 62 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John K. VENABLES M 44 M Liverpool, Lancashire, England Rel: Head Occ: Collector Of Gas & Water A C (Serv) Martha VENABLES M 43 F Puddington, Cheshire, England Rel: Wife Elizabeth VENABLES U 18 F Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Rel: Dau William A. VENABLES U 15 M Oxton, Cheshire, England Rel: Son Occ: Apprentice Provision Merchant Everton VENABLES 14 M Oxton, Cheshire, England Rel: Son Occ: Apprentice Charterd Accountant Percy VENABLES 12 M Oxton, Cheshire, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Lily VENABLES 10 F Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Cleara VENABLES 9 F Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Dwelling: No 143 Price St Census Place: Harborne, Stafford, England Source: FHL Film 1341708 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2961 Folio 12 Page 18 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Joseph MILES M 21 M Handsworth, Warwick, England Rel: Head Occ: Railway Servant Emma MILES M 22 F Worcester, Worcester, England Rel: Wife ---- Original Message ----- From: Fred & Joan Waring <jfwaring@compuserve.com> To: <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 01:23 Subject: [BKHD] baptism certificate puzzles > > I have an 1875 baptism record from St Mary's in Birkenhead which includes > an indecipherable name. > The name starts with "Ve......" but that is all I can be sure about. The > address of Mr John Ve & Mrs. Martha Ve is 143 Price Street. Mr. V was a > furniture dealer.. Possible readings of the name include Vemabled, > Venabled, Vemables, Verables, etc. > > Can anyone, possibly somebody with easy access to the 1881 or 1871 census > clarify for me what the name actually is. > > There is a second puzzle about this baptism, certificate which perhaps > somebody can clear up. The baptism is for John Waring, the younger brother > of my grandfather Andrew. The parents column of the certificate lists Mr. > & Mrs. Ve.. but I feel fairly confident that the mother was actually Ann > Waring. So what does this discrepancy mean? Were Mr. & Mrs. Ve the > godparents? Was Mr. Ve the actual father? Why isn't the actual mother > (shown as an unwed mother of John in 1881) listed? > > fred waring > jfwaring@compuserve.com > > Any suggestions/speculations about the second puzzle would be appreciated. > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > >

removed to numbers 75&77 Price Street... John Venables furniture dealer and wife Martha. Could someone with a PC cut and paste the complete entry for Fred? Judy ---------- >From: Fred & Joan Waring <jfwaring@compuserve.com> >To: BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [BKHD] baptism certificate puzzles >Date: Mon, Nov 19, 2001, 1:23 pm > > > I have an 1875 baptism record from St Mary's in Birkenhead which includes > an indecipherable name. > The name starts with "Ve......" but that is all I can be sure about. The > address of Mr John Ve & Mrs. Martha Ve is 143 Price Street. > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Fred Sorry the result is disappointing. Building: 143 Price St UNINHABITED Census Place: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England Source: FHL Film 1341856 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3577 Folio 53 Page 15. George Ellis george@ellisg.freeserve.co.uk

I don't know if this will help but in the 1851 census of Birkenhead, the only names present were VENABLES, VERNON, VETCH and VEY. Juliet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred & Joan Waring" <jfwaring@compuserve.com> To: <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 1:23 PM Subject: [BKHD] baptism certificate puzzles > > I have an 1875 baptism record from St Mary's in Birkenhead which includes > an indecipherable name. > The name starts with "Ve......" but that is all I can be sure about. The > address of Mr John Ve & Mrs. Martha Ve is 143 Price Street. Mr. V was a > furniture dealer.. Possible readings of the name include Vemabled, > Venabled, Vemables, Verables, etc. > > Can anyone, possibly somebody with easy access to the 1881 or 1871 census > clarify for me what the name actually is. > > There is a second puzzle about this baptism, certificate which perhaps > somebody can clear up. The baptism is for John Waring, the younger brother > of my grandfather Andrew. The parents column of the certificate lists Mr. > & Mrs. Ve.. but I feel fairly confident that the mother was actually Ann > Waring. So what does this discrepancy mean? Were Mr. & Mrs. Ve the > godparents? Was Mr. Ve the actual father? Why isn't the actual mother > (shown as an unwed mother of John in 1881) listed? > > fred waring > jfwaring@compuserve.com > > Any suggestions/speculations about the second puzzle would be appreciated. > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 >

----- Original Message ----- From: Juliet Evans To: BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 1:36 PM Subject: New Lister; EVANS,PEERS Hi, Researching EVANS and PEERS. I have HENRY EVANS who married SUSANNAH PEERS in Tranmere in 1894. Her father was John PEERS and in she was born in 1867 at Birkenhead. During 1871 and 1881 they lived at Seafield House, New Chester Road. Susannah had brothers Charles, William and Samuel - does anybody have these in their tree? Henry EVANS is harder to locate. He may be the Henry living at 1 Birkenhead Cliffs, Tranmere in 1881, aged 22. If that is him, his mother was Ellen and he had a brother John and sister Rachel. From his marriage cert, I know his father was WILLIAM EVANS, gent, deceased. But the age on his marriage cert does not add up to age on the 1881 census and I cannot find him on any other census. Any ideas most welcome!! Juliet

Hi To All, if anyone has access to the 1871 census for Tranmere, could you please look up the family who were living at "Kindav Villa" Dingle Road Tranmere. This is an address from a marriage certificate of 1870. The McKNIGHT family should be listed there in that year, but I could not find them on the 1881 census. Regards from Anne in Australia.

Hello To All, I am open to suggestions for finding my COX family address for the years 1920 to 1931. I would also very much like to find some or their descendents. Two very kind people have looked up the COX name references in the 1891 Birkenhead Census for me, but my COX family who were all born in Leicester, were not listed. I looking for a Mary Ann b1855 in Leicester married to William Hodgkins COX. There were 2 children, W.H.K. COX b1875 Leic and Francis C. COX b1878 Leicester. (as in the 1881 census of Leicester) As far as I can ascertain, Mary Ann COX was living in Birkenhead in 1920 and at least until 1931 when her brother, Edwin KILBY died in Vancouver Canada. Mary Ann COX of Birkenhead was named as a beneficiary. When a sister Alice KILBY died in Vancouver Canada in 1931, there was no mention of Mary Ann COX in the obituary. Perhaps Mary Ann COX died between 1931 and 1934? I am trying to establish a link between this COX family and Anna ANDERSON who was born in Birkenhead in 1859. Anna ANDERSON married William BOYLE of St Helens Lancashire, and they were my G. Grandparents. Any help would be appreciated. Anne.

A few messages are trickling through to Australia, only about 7 messages all up today. Anne.

which census was that?

Hi Fred, I am no authority in this area (Cheshire)so am answering you off list, but wonder if the name could be Venables. I read the other day on this list that that was a common Cheshire name and it stood out in my mind because I know of a Venables family here in Ontario. I kept that list on file and yes it is one of the families written up in the 1957 August edition of the Cheshire Life. Crewe Library= CL 1957-CRO August -VENABLES "There was from 1957 until 1985 an article published about old Cheshire Family names in most issues of the Cheshire Life. The back issues of the Cheshire life are available at Crewe library and those not at that location, along with the complete range are at the Chester records office." This info was in one of the postings just last week. Hope this helps. Sandy Stokes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred & Joan Waring" <jfwaring@compuserve.com> To: <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 8:23 AM Subject: [BKHD] baptism certificate puzzles I have an 1875 baptism record from St Mary's in Birkenhead which includes an indecipherable name. The name starts with "Ve......" but that is all I can be sure about. The address of Mr John Ve & Mrs. Martha Ve is 143 Price Street. Mr. V was a furniture dealer.. Possible readings of the name include Vemabled, Venabled, Vemables, Verables, etc. Can anyone, possibly somebody with easy access to the 1881 or 1871 census clarify for me what the name actually is. There is a second puzzle about this baptism, certificate which perhaps somebody can clear up. The baptism is for John Waring, the younger brother of my grandfather Andrew. The parents column of the certificate lists Mr. & Mrs. Ve.. but I feel fairly confident that the mother was actually Ann Waring. So what does this discrepancy mean? Were Mr. & Mrs. Ve the godparents? Was Mr. Ve the actual father? Why isn't the actual mother (shown as an unwed mother of John in 1881) listed? fred waring jfwaring@compuserve.com Any suggestions/speculations about the second puzzle would be appreciated. ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237

I have an 1875 baptism record from St Mary's in Birkenhead which includes an indecipherable name. The name starts with "Ve......" but that is all I can be sure about. The address of Mr John Ve & Mrs. Martha Ve is 143 Price Street. Mr. V was a furniture dealer.. Possible readings of the name include Vemabled, Venabled, Vemables, Verables, etc. Can anyone, possibly somebody with easy access to the 1881 or 1871 census clarify for me what the name actually is. There is a second puzzle about this baptism, certificate which perhaps somebody can clear up. The baptism is for John Waring, the younger brother of my grandfather Andrew. The parents column of the certificate lists Mr. & Mrs. Ve.. but I feel fairly confident that the mother was actually Ann Waring. So what does this discrepancy mean? Were Mr. & Mrs. Ve the godparents? Was Mr. Ve the actual father? Why isn't the actual mother (shown as an unwed mother of John in 1881) listed? fred waring jfwaring@compuserve.com Any suggestions/speculations about the second puzzle would be appreciated.

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LUCY M. CROSS of 813 Sixte (the last letter hard to read) Street, New Westminster, British Columbia That would be sixth street Mary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary O'Brien" <maryob@cqnet.com.au> To: <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 2:20 AM Subject: Re: [BKHD] SPARK/E/S--MINSHALL/WILLIAMS-Childer Thornton-Neston-Birkenhead > Hello Sandy, > > I am afraid that I can't help you with you request but you came like a gift > from above when you said that you live in Ontario. > > I am in Australia and I don't know whare to start with my problem. I have > just received a copy of a Will probated in 1958 and in the bequests there > are two women from Canada (as well as other people in Australia and New > Zealand). This person died age 98 and was to our knowledge unmarried. My > problem is were these close friends or perhaps daughters or widows of close > friends. If they were related then I am sure he would have described the > relationship in the Will. > > Is it possible to access any records that may help me to solve the problem. > I will list these people because it might give you some ideas about advising > me. > > LUCY M. CROSS of 813 Sixte (the last letter hard to read) Street, New > Westminster, British Columbia, Canada, widow, > > JENNIE BRIGGS of 13 Oneida Avenue, Algonquin Island, Toronto, Canada, Widow. > > Any suggestions will be gratefully received. > > Regards, > > Mary O'Brien > Queensland > Australia > > > > > I am a new subscriber as of today. I live in Ontario, Canada near the > city where my grandparents settled after they married and moved from > Birkenhead in 1909. > > > > > > > > The first name I am researching in Birkenhead is the Spark/e/s surname. > Our origins are in the Great Sutton & Eastham areas of Cheshire. > > > > > > > > What I am now hoping to learn is the whereabouts of more recent family > members as they moved towards Birkenhead. > > > > > > > > My great grandfather was Robert Spark, a tailor, born 1854 in Childer > Thornton, Cheshire, son of John Spark, a gardener and Ann WILLIAMS. His > siblings & their approximate birth dates were: Elizabeth (1849), Thomas > (1850), Sarah (1851), John (1852), Joseph (1855), Sarah (1857), Lowe (1859), > Ann (1861), Margaret (1862), Edward (1866), Frederick (1870), & Arthur > (1872). Most of these children were born in Eastham. > > > > > > > > Robert married Elizabeth MINSHALL in Liverpool in 1878. > > > > > > > > Their children as far as I know at this time were: Arthur (B'head-1878), > Sydney (B'head-1880), William Alfred (B'head-1881), Frederick (my > grandfather) (Neston-1884), & Eulalia (B'head-1891). My grandfather married > Maggie Hoylake FAIRCLOUGH in 1909 & they emigrated from Birkenhead to > Ontario Canada. Wm. Alfred came here in 1913. I have a feeling that Eulalia > may have died at a young age. > > > > > > > > My grandfather was a "ships carpenter" as my aunts described him and I > have recently learned about the Camill Laird shipyard in Birkenhead. Would > there be any further information about it out there somewhere? Would there > be any other shipyards in Birkenhead besides this one at the turn of the > last century? > > > > > > > > I am wondering if anyone has any connection with Robert & Elizabeth's > family and could tell me if there are descendents of Sydney still around > today or any other family members that I may not even know about as there is > such a gap in age between Frederick & Eulalia? I am also hoping to make > connections with descendents of John & Ann's other 12 children > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > Sandy (Spark) Stokes in Canada > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

Hello Sandy, I am afraid that I can't help you with you request but you came like a gift from above when you said that you live in Ontario. I am in Australia and I don't know whare to start with my problem. I have just received a copy of a Will probated in 1958 and in the bequests there are two women from Canada (as well as other people in Australia and New Zealand). This person died age 98 and was to our knowledge unmarried. My problem is were these close friends or perhaps daughters or widows of close friends. If they were related then I am sure he would have described the relationship in the Will. Is it possible to access any records that may help me to solve the problem. I will list these people because it might give you some ideas about advising me. LUCY M. CROSS of 813 Sixte (the last letter hard to read) Street, New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada, widow, JENNIE BRIGGS of 13 Oneida Avenue, Algonquin Island, Toronto, Canada, Widow. Any suggestions will be gratefully received. Regards, Mary O'Brien Queensland Australia > I am a new subscriber as of today. I live in Ontario, Canada near the city where my grandparents settled after they married and moved from Birkenhead in 1909. > > > > The first name I am researching in Birkenhead is the Spark/e/s surname. Our origins are in the Great Sutton & Eastham areas of Cheshire. > > > > What I am now hoping to learn is the whereabouts of more recent family members as they moved towards Birkenhead. > > > > My great grandfather was Robert Spark, a tailor, born 1854 in Childer Thornton, Cheshire, son of John Spark, a gardener and Ann WILLIAMS. His siblings & their approximate birth dates were: Elizabeth (1849), Thomas (1850), Sarah (1851), John (1852), Joseph (1855), Sarah (1857), Lowe (1859), Ann (1861), Margaret (1862), Edward (1866), Frederick (1870), & Arthur (1872). Most of these children were born in Eastham. > > > > Robert married Elizabeth MINSHALL in Liverpool in 1878. > > > > Their children as far as I know at this time were: Arthur (B'head-1878), Sydney (B'head-1880), William Alfred (B'head-1881), Frederick (my grandfather) (Neston-1884), & Eulalia (B'head-1891). My grandfather married Maggie Hoylake FAIRCLOUGH in 1909 & they emigrated from Birkenhead to Ontario Canada. Wm. Alfred came here in 1913. I have a feeling that Eulalia may have died at a young age. > > > > My grandfather was a "ships carpenter" as my aunts described him and I have recently learned about the Camill Laird shipyard in Birkenhead. Would there be any further information about it out there somewhere? Would there be any other shipyards in Birkenhead besides this one at the turn of the last century? > > > > I am wondering if anyone has any connection with Robert & Elizabeth's family and could tell me if there are descendents of Sydney still around today or any other family members that I may not even know about as there is such a gap in age between Frederick & Eulalia? I am also hoping to make connections with descendents of John & Ann's other 12 children > > > > Thank you, > > Sandy (Spark) Stokes in Canada > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 >