Hi To All, is anyone out there researching the name of POTTER? I really need to get a handle on the POTTER family who were born in Rock Ferry Chs, and moved to Liverpool, Lan. William POTTER was born in 1844 Liverpool Lancashire, he married Margaret ANDERSON in Wirral. At the time of the 1881 census they had 3 children who were all born in Rock Ferry. Frederick b 1874, Stuart b 1877 and Ethel b 1880. Regards from Anne in Australia. I use, support and recommend the Archive CD Books Project, and find them invaluable for genealogy research. Look them up on: http://www.archivecdbooks.org

My sincere thanks to Chris,Carl,Jan,Alan,Lesley,Caryl and the Kinsellas.There was a unanimous opinion that my g g grandfather,William Cox, was an employee of the Railway employed in construction of the railway, as opposed to operating trains.To pursue this further, William Cox was identified as an Engineer in the 1841 Census when he was 2-3 months short of his 19th. birthday.How would such a young man have become qualified as an Engineer in the late 1830's?Ray.Jones,Ontario

Listers, I want to thank all you responded to my query about Sycamore Road and Smethwich's Safest Milk. I was trying learn where a family member might have been in 1925 standing beside a horse drawn milk wagon and wearing a white apron. Based on the responses that I received, I was able to determine that Sycamore Road was located in the town of Smethwich near Birmingham. I had assumed it was a surname. I wrote the Smethwich Historical Society for information. They did not know of the parent company - Bray & Bailey, but were familiar with the milk. They asked if I could provide a copy of the photograph for their archives, which I obliged. Genealogy can work both ways! In this case, the local historical society was grateful to received the information that I had, instead of the other way around. They were very nice and friendly folks. The end result of this was that I also received additional help and information from the list members, who were instrumental in locating and validating a good number of lost family members. My cousin, for instance, was finally able to learn the names of her maternal great grandparents, from West Bromwich - north of Smethwich. Thanks again to all! Kind regards, John Farrall Burke, Virginia Researching: FARRALL, DAWSON, WHITEHEAD, ROBERTS, BEBINGTON and BRAITHWAITE

Hi my name is Tom I hope to go to the fair on Sunday ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Cowderoy" <Derekdwc@btopenworld.com> To: <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [BKHD] Wirral Family History Fair > hi my name is Derek > I hope to go to the fair Saturday > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ray jones" <nantwich@istar.ca> > To: <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 1:37 PM > Subject: [BKHD] Wirral Family History Fair > > > > I would appreciate hearing from any lister who is planning to attend the > Wirral Family History Fair at Hulme Hall,Bolton Road,Bebington on > Saturday,March 17th.Ray.Jones,Ontario > > > > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > > Search the archives of Birkenhead-L > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/BIRKENHEAD.html > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > To contact the administrator of this mailing list, send mail to > BIRKENHEAD-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Dave, I want to update my address book so am sending a test message to you. We have been in touch in the past. Kind Regards from Anne in Australia. I use, support and recommend the Archive CD Books Project, and find them invaluable for genealogy research. Look them up on: http://www.archivecdbooks.org

Anita, I live in Australia and am sure there are some ship lists on the web. It will be just a matter of finding them. If you can send me any relevant details ie Names, ages(DOB) arrival dates etc. I will have a look and see what I can find. Regards Dave Miller

Hi John , I got to thinking about this census and it does resemble the description of my carter family with the exception of one name Joseph Carter who went to Australia , any way I was wondering if you would do me a huge favor and see if you can find him and if you cant then just maybe this would narrow down a time frame of when he left for Australia of course as long as this is Roberts family of course . I am guessing that he would of been born Tranmere Like the others ? thank you a bunch !!!! for your help Anita ----- Original Message ----- From: Elisabeth Wegener Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 3:14 PM To: BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [BKHD] Can somebody please!!! tell me how to start Yes, they are more or less next to each other. I suggest that you have a look at http://www.multimap.com you can put in any address and it will give the map of the area. You can also look at an aerial photograph of the area and have the map overlaid. I have been able to find actual houses, in more remote areas, using this method. You will certainly be able to find the street provided it still exists. -----Original Message----- From: anita bracken [mailto:eeyore_lover29@msn.com] Sent: Friday, 15 March 2002 12:04 To: BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BKHD] Can somebody please!!! tell me how to start John, I think I need to get a map and study it to see if these places are close together Tranmere Chester, Great Mollington, example if someone lived in Tranmere would they go to Birkenhead to have a photo taken ? thank you Very much for your help Anita ----- Original Message ----- From: John Oliver Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:39 AM To: BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BKHD] Can somebody please!!! tell me how to start Hello Anita, I have enclosed the 1881 census for the only Robert Carter born in Tranmere at that time Dwelling: Coalpit Lane Census Place: Great Mollington, Cheshire, England Source: FHL Film 1341853 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3562 Folio 91 Page 21 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John CARTER M 44 M Willaston, Cheshire, England Elizabeth CARTER M 44 F Woodbank, Cheshire, England John CARTER U 19 M Tranmere, Cheshire, England Edward CARTER U 18 M Tranmere, Cheshire, England James TILSTON U 17 M Woodbank, Cheshire, England Mary CARTER U 15 F Tranmere, Cheshire, England Robt. CARTER 10 M Tranmere, Cheshire, England Henry CARTER 6 M Mollington, Cheshire, England Anne CARTER 5 F Mollington, Cheshire, England Matthew CARTER 3 M Mollington, Cheshire, England Elizabeth CARTER 1 F Mollington, Cheshire, England Matilda TEASDALE U 31 F Gilless, Flint, Wales Robert GRIFFITH U 23 M Saughall, Cheshire, England This would appear to be the family you're looking for. Regards John Oliver (Upton, Wirral UK) ----- Original Message ----- From: anita bracken <eeyore_lover29@msn.com> To: <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 7:26 PM Subject: [BKHD] Can somebody please!!! tell me how to start > Hello List I am new and need some beginner tips . > this is my problem > my great grandfather Robert Sylvester Carter was born in Cheshire England > Date Dec. 31 year > one obit for him say's Dec 31 1869 , another obit. say's 1870 ,and his citizenship papers say Dec 31, 1872 ugh. > birth place > both obituaries say Chester Cheshire England , Citizenship papers say Lower Tranmere > One photo of his mother taken by Watson Bro. Birkenhead abt 1860 or so (very strange Clothing) > His mothers name is Ellen E. ? father is john Carter > John carter Had children with his first wife and became a widow married another who also was a widow with children and then had more children together > names of siblings for my great grandfather in a family bible > 1) Joseph > married Claira > migrated to Australia Joseph did travel to the us. to visit his brother Robert stayed about 2 weeks and returned to Australia around 1920 or so is when he visited I have a photo of the two. > > 2) Edward > > 3) John > married with 5 children > > 4) Mary (Polly) > 1 son > > 5) Samuel > died in 1920 in a shipyard married with children > > 6) William Carter . > > later I was told that all the children went to Australia but Robert lived in Canada for 2 years . one family member told me someone use to go visit the uncles in Canada . there is just not enough or consistent data for me to figure this mess out Robert was the only one who came to the United states can anyone out there tell me how I can start this Project very frustrated > Begging for Help > Anita > Get more from the Web. 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Please does any one have any information on the McClennan family in Birkenhead or in Liverpool Anne / Annie McClennan was my grandmother. ( She married James Dalziel) Her father was Patrick McClennan. He died aged 38 in 1890. Can't find the family on 1881 census Does he appear in any Directories? Thanks Dot

Many thanks to all of the NZ listers who responded to my mail. Think I have what I was looking for now Caryl List admin

Would SKS please look up the 1871 census for Birkenhead for one RICHARD DAVEY living at 19 Watson Street, Birkenhead......... who was living at that address with him........PLEASE Bryan .......in Colorado Springs, Colorado.

I can think of one possible explanation - that he worked on the Railways? Try this link - North Wales Railway History, it gives a good account of the dates of events in Railway History of North Wales and other areas. http://www.page27.co.uk/nwales/nwhist.htm The Irish Mail went to Holyhead for the first time in 1848 Crewe was and still is an important railway junction between North and South England. Caryl > My g g grandfather William Cox was an Engineer and lived in the following > communities in the years > > > > > > > > > > > > indicated.Holyhead(1848),Birkenhead(1851),Crewe(1851),Liverpool(1853),Birkenhead(1855) > and Crewe(1858).Do any listers have any suggestions as to what type of > employment could have required him to move around so much?When he did > finally settle down in Crewe he purchased a Ginger Beer Co. and it > continued as Cox Mineral water Co. for many years. > >

Yes, they are more or less next to each other. I suggest that you have a look at http://www.multimap.com you can put in any address and it will give the map of the area. You can also look at an aerial photograph of the area and have the map overlaid. I have been able to find actual houses, in more remote areas, using this method. You will certainly be able to find the street provided it still exists. -----Original Message----- From: anita bracken [mailto:eeyore_lover29@msn.com] Sent: Friday, 15 March 2002 12:04 To: BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BKHD] Can somebody please!!! tell me how to start John, I think I need to get a map and study it to see if these places are close together Tranmere Chester, Great Mollington, example if someone lived in Tranmere would they go to Birkenhead to have a photo taken ? thank you Very much for your help Anita ----- Original Message ----- From: John Oliver Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:39 AM To: BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BKHD] Can somebody please!!! tell me how to start Hello Anita, I have enclosed the 1881 census for the only Robert Carter born in Tranmere at that time Dwelling: Coalpit Lane Census Place: Great Mollington, Cheshire, England Source: FHL Film 1341853 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3562 Folio 91 Page 21 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John CARTER M 44 M Willaston, Cheshire, England Elizabeth CARTER M 44 F Woodbank, Cheshire, England John CARTER U 19 M Tranmere, Cheshire, England Edward CARTER U 18 M Tranmere, Cheshire, England James TILSTON U 17 M Woodbank, Cheshire, England Mary CARTER U 15 F Tranmere, Cheshire, England Robt. CARTER 10 M Tranmere, Cheshire, England Henry CARTER 6 M Mollington, Cheshire, England Anne CARTER 5 F Mollington, Cheshire, England Matthew CARTER 3 M Mollington, Cheshire, England Elizabeth CARTER 1 F Mollington, Cheshire, England Matilda TEASDALE U 31 F Gilless, Flint, Wales Robert GRIFFITH U 23 M Saughall, Cheshire, England This would appear to be the family you're looking for. Regards John Oliver (Upton, Wirral UK) ----- Original Message ----- From: anita bracken <eeyore_lover29@msn.com> To: <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 7:26 PM Subject: [BKHD] Can somebody please!!! tell me how to start > Hello List I am new and need some beginner tips . > this is my problem > my great grandfather Robert Sylvester Carter was born in Cheshire England > Date Dec. 31 year > one obit for him say's Dec 31 1869 , another obit. say's 1870 ,and his citizenship papers say Dec 31, 1872 ugh. > birth place > both obituaries say Chester Cheshire England , Citizenship papers say Lower Tranmere > One photo of his mother taken by Watson Bro. Birkenhead abt 1860 or so (very strange Clothing) > His mothers name is Ellen E. ? father is john Carter > John carter Had children with his first wife and became a widow married another who also was a widow with children and then had more children together > names of siblings for my great grandfather in a family bible > 1) Joseph > married Claira > migrated to Australia Joseph did travel to the us. to visit his brother Robert stayed about 2 weeks and returned to Australia around 1920 or so is when he visited I have a photo of the two. > > 2) Edward > > 3) John > married with 5 children > > 4) Mary (Polly) > 1 son > > 5) Samuel > died in 1920 in a shipyard married with children > > 6) William Carter . > > later I was told that all the children went to Australia but Robert lived in Canada for 2 years . one family member told me someone use to go visit the uncles in Canada . there is just not enough or consistent data for me to figure this mess out Robert was the only one who came to the United states can anyone out there tell me how I can start this Project very frustrated > Begging for Help > Anita > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > Search the archives of Birkenhead-L > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/BIRKENHEAD.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== To contact the administrator of this mailing list, send mail to BIRKENHEAD-admin@rootsweb.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== Search the archives of Birkenhead-L http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/BIRKENHEAD.html ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

My g g grandfather William Cox was an Engineer and lived in the following communities in the years indicated.Holyhead(1848),Birkenhead(1851),Crewe(1851),Liverpool(1853),Birkenhead(1855) and Crewe(1858).Do any listers have any suggestions as to what type of employment could have required him to move around so much?When he did finally settle down in Crewe he purchased a Ginger Beer Co. and it continued as Cox Mineral water Co. for many years.

Hi Caryl, I suppose you have had a reply to your email,but thought I answer on the off chance you havent. Elsie Mcleod Auckland New Zealand. > > Is there anyone from New Zealand on this list ? > Could they PM me please > > Thanks > > Caryl > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > To contact the administrator of this mailing list, send mail to > BIRKENHEAD-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 -- [InternetShortcut] URL=http://www.msn.com/

In a message dated 14/03/2002 22:58:03 GMT Standard Time, eeyore_lover29@msn.com writes: > if someone lived in Tranmere would they go to Birkenhead to have a photo > taken ? > Tranmere is part of Birkenhead, so the answer is probably YES. Sue, Ellesmere Port, Cheshire Researching - ANDREWS - Walworth, Surrey ANKERS - Leeswood, Mold, Pontblyddyn AVERY - Liverpool, Wallasey BODEN - Birkenhead BURKETT - Birkenhead and possibly London CHADWICK - Liverpool, Oldham DAVIES - Mold DRAPER - Frome, Somerset DICKINSON - Liverpool DEWHURST - Liverpool GILLAM - Liverpool, Ludlow, Ulverston HADFIELD - Ludlow HANNAY - Kirkinner, Penninghame, Wigtown HARRIS - London HEYES - Keswick, Cumbria HOWARD - Liverpool, Birkenhead, Rock Ferry HUGHES - Mold, Leeswood, and Caernarvon JONES - Ludlow KNOWLES - Liverpool LADBROOK - Colchester, Essex McCLELLAND - Liverpool, Kirkinner, Penninghame, Wigtown McGILL - Kirkinner, Penninghame, Wigtown MORELAND - Liverpool, Westmorland PALING - Liverpool, London, Nottingham, Berkshire (Cookham) SAYLE - Norfolk SMITH - Liverpool, Birkenhead WATSON - Liverpool, Birkenhead "I use Archive CD Books to help with my research." <A HREF="http://www.archivecdbooks.com">http://www.archivecdbooks.com</A>

Hello Heather, If you don't mind me asking, were in the Yukon are you ? I was born in Mayo Landing Yukon. I see by your email address you may be close to Marsh Lake ? near Carcross. If so that mail coach that sits there, my Grandfather used to deliver mail from Dawson to Whitehorse . This was my mothers family BREADEN.( Also from Wales ) And they spent much time with the steamer boats up and down the Yukon River. They have a lot of history up there. My fathers family come from Birkenhead, Hoylake, Cheshire. and Liverpool. What a small world this really is. Pat and Bill Alberta, Canada pat0bill@telusplanet.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather Fromme" <fromme@marshlake.polarcom.com> To: <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [BKHD] Can somebody please!!! tell me how to start > Anita > Don't give up - I'm in the YUKON in Canada and trying to look for a family > in Tranmere/or/Birkenhead..It is amazing how little pieces show up..Have you > tryed a mailing list using the surname?? Maybe someone else is researching > same family surname. > Heather > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "anita bracken" <eeyore_lover29@msn.com> > To: <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 4:42 PM > Subject: Re: [BKHD] Can somebody please!!! tell me how to start > > > > his citizen ship papers show that he Left Liverpool the 17th. 1898 of > march on the vessel Dominion he arrived in the port of Portland . a ship > list would help to see if anyone came with him but I don't know how to get > it. as far as a census I was going to try and get the 1871 census for > tranmere but there were 2 in the lds. site and didn't know which one to get > or if I would have to get both and sift ? but then I dont even know if the > family was in Tranmere ,chester, or Birkenhead his mothers photo was in > taken in Birkenhead ? I think this just might be hopeless : ( I am to far > away to eliminate the possibilities to narrow it down. especially with names > like ellen, john, william, and edward carter. needle in a haystack thank > you for your reply . > > Anita > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Heather Fromme > > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:19 AM > > To: BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [BKHD] Can somebody please!!! tell me how to start > > > > Anita > > GET A BLACKBOARD I find it helps.. > > See if you can get the 1841 and 1851 census data and compile family lists > > then you can see who vanished when, maybe.. Did you try shipslists?? > Maybe > > someone has access to early directory that would give you a start.. > > Heather > > Good Luck > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "anita bracken" <eeyore_lover29@msn.com> > > To: <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 1:26 PM > > Subject: [BKHD] Can somebody please!!! tell me how to start > > > > > > > Hello List I am new and need some beginner tips . > > > this is my problem > > > my great grandfather Robert Sylvester Carter was born in Cheshire > England > > > Date Dec. 31 year > > > one obit for him say's Dec 31 1869 , another obit. say's 1870 ,and his > > citizenship papers say Dec 31, 1872 ugh. > > > birth place > > > both obituaries say Chester Cheshire England , Citizenship papers say > > Lower Tranmere > > > One photo of his mother taken by Watson Bro. Birkenhead abt 1860 or so > > (very strange Clothing) > > > His mothers name is Ellen E. ? father is john Carter > > > John carter Had children with his first wife and became a widow married > > another who also was a widow with children and then had more children > > together > > > names of siblings for my great grandfather in a family bible > > > 1) Joseph > > > married Claira > > > migrated to Australia Joseph did travel to the us. to visit his > brother > > Robert stayed about 2 weeks and returned to Australia around 1920 or > so > > is when he visited I have a photo of the two. > > > > > > 2) Edward > > > > > > 3) John > > > married with 5 children > > > > > > 4) Mary (Polly) > > > 1 son > > > > > > 5) Samuel > > > died in 1920 in a shipyard married with children > > > > > > 6) William Carter . > > > > > > later I was told that all the children went to Australia but Robert > lived > > in Canada for 2 years . one family member told me someone use to go visit > > the uncles in Canada . there is just not enough or consistent data for me > to > > figure this mess out Robert was the only one who came to the United states > > can anyone out there tell me how I can start this Project very frustrated > > > Begging for Help > > > Anita > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > > > Search the archives of Birkenhead-L > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/BIRKENHEAD.html > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > > To contact the administrator of this mailing list, send mail to > > BIRKENHEAD-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237Get more > from the Web. 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On a recent trip to my home town of Birkenhead, I spent a profitable hour in the library on Borough Rd looking at the 1901 census on microfiche. While I was there I saw a notice indicating that indexes to burials were available for a number of local cemeteries, including Flaybrick and Bebington. Unfortunately, I ran out of time before I could look at them. So, I was wondering if anyone who happens to be going to the Borough Rd library might be able to see if they can find a burial for Sarah Louisa BURTON (born 1848). I know she was alive in 1913 but is not in the same grave as her husband who died in 1937 (at age 94) and is buried in Bebington Cemetery. Given his age, it's probable that she predeceased him. Her father Josiah EASTMAN (b 1822) also lived in Birkenhead, at least at the time of the 1881 census, so she might be buried with him. I'm hoping she might be in Flaybrick or, perhaps, in a different grave from her husband, in Bebington. Thanks in advance to anyone who might be able to help. __________________________________________________________________ David N. Burton 95 Thatcher Drive Winnipeg, MB, CANADA R3T 2L6 Phone: (204)-269-8774 EMail: DN_Burton@UManitoba.Ca "These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others". Groucho Marx. __________________________________________________________________

I am on the Carter surname List but there is rarely anybody researching in England as early as I am they are in the united states way back to the 1600's I also was on the Cheshire list. Even if I did find another family member researching I don't have anything solid to go on to Identify them . they would be in England , Australia and or Possibly Canada the things I have tried are tracking 2 obituaries ordered his citizenship papers tracked down his naturalization papers in Iowa and interviewed surviving family members who had the opportunity of knowing him or has heard stories about him and I still dont know enough to find his family. He is not listed in the LDS files or in the Cheshire Marriage and Birth Index so I just don't know what to do next : ( I sure dont want to give up but dont know what to do . Anita ----- Original Message ----- From: Heather Fromme Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 3:34 PM To: BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BKHD] Can somebody please!!! tell me how to start Anita Don't give up - I'm in the YUKON in Canada and trying to look for a family in Tranmere/or/Birkenhead..It is amazing how little pieces show up..Have you tryed a mailing list using the surname?? Maybe someone else is researching same family surname. Heather ----- Original Message ----- From: "anita bracken" <eeyore_lover29@msn.com> To: <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [BKHD] Can somebody please!!! tell me how to start > his citizen ship papers show that he Left Liverpool the 17th. 1898 of march on the vessel Dominion he arrived in the port of Portland . a ship list would help to see if anyone came with him but I don't know how to get it. as far as a census I was going to try and get the 1871 census for tranmere but there were 2 in the lds. site and didn't know which one to get or if I would have to get both and sift ? but then I dont even know if the family was in Tranmere ,chester, or Birkenhead his mothers photo was in taken in Birkenhead ? I think this just might be hopeless : ( I am to far away to eliminate the possibilities to narrow it down. especially with names like ellen, john, william, and edward carter. needle in a haystack thank you for your reply . > Anita > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Heather Fromme > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:19 AM > To: BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BKHD] Can somebody please!!! tell me how to start > > Anita > GET A BLACKBOARD I find it helps.. > See if you can get the 1841 and 1851 census data and compile family lists > then you can see who vanished when, maybe.. Did you try shipslists?? Maybe > someone has access to early directory that would give you a start.. > Heather > Good Luck > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "anita bracken" <eeyore_lover29@msn.com> > To: <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 1:26 PM > Subject: [BKHD] Can somebody please!!! tell me how to start > > > > Hello List I am new and need some beginner tips . > > this is my problem > > my great grandfather Robert Sylvester Carter was born in Cheshire England > > Date Dec. 31 year > > one obit for him say's Dec 31 1869 , another obit. say's 1870 ,and his > citizenship papers say Dec 31, 1872 ugh. > > birth place > > both obituaries say Chester Cheshire England , Citizenship papers say > Lower Tranmere > > One photo of his mother taken by Watson Bro. Birkenhead abt 1860 or so > (very strange Clothing) > > His mothers name is Ellen E. ? father is john Carter > > John carter Had children with his first wife and became a widow married > another who also was a widow with children and then had more children > together > > names of siblings for my great grandfather in a family bible > > 1) Joseph > > married Claira > > migrated to Australia Joseph did travel to the us. to visit his brother > Robert stayed about 2 weeks and returned to Australia around 1920 or so > is when he visited I have a photo of the two. > > > > 2) Edward > > > > 3) John > > married with 5 children > > > > 4) Mary (Polly) > > 1 son > > > > 5) Samuel > > died in 1920 in a shipyard married with children > > > > 6) William Carter . > > > > later I was told that all the children went to Australia but Robert lived > in Canada for 2 years . one family member told me someone use to go visit > the uncles in Canada . there is just not enough or consistent data for me to > figure this mess out Robert was the only one who came to the United states > can anyone out there tell me how I can start this Project very frustrated > > Begging for Help > > Anita > > Get more from the Web. 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Hello Anita, I have enclosed the 1881 census for the only Robert Carter born in Tranmere at that time Dwelling: Coalpit Lane Census Place: Great Mollington, Cheshire, England Source: FHL Film 1341853 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3562 Folio 91 Page 21 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John CARTER M 44 M Willaston, Cheshire, England Elizabeth CARTER M 44 F Woodbank, Cheshire, England John CARTER U 19 M Tranmere, Cheshire, England Edward CARTER U 18 M Tranmere, Cheshire, England James TILSTON U 17 M Woodbank, Cheshire, England Mary CARTER U 15 F Tranmere, Cheshire, England Robt. CARTER 10 M Tranmere, Cheshire, England Henry CARTER 6 M Mollington, Cheshire, England Anne CARTER 5 F Mollington, Cheshire, England Matthew CARTER 3 M Mollington, Cheshire, England Elizabeth CARTER 1 F Mollington, Cheshire, England Matilda TEASDALE U 31 F Gilless, Flint, Wales Robert GRIFFITH U 23 M Saughall, Cheshire, England This would appear to be the family you're looking for. Regards John Oliver (Upton, Wirral UK) ----- Original Message ----- From: anita bracken <eeyore_lover29@msn.com> To: <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 7:26 PM Subject: [BKHD] Can somebody please!!! tell me how to start > Hello List I am new and need some beginner tips . > this is my problem > my great grandfather Robert Sylvester Carter was born in Cheshire England > Date Dec. 31 year > one obit for him say's Dec 31 1869 , another obit. say's 1870 ,and his citizenship papers say Dec 31, 1872 ugh. > birth place > both obituaries say Chester Cheshire England , Citizenship papers say Lower Tranmere > One photo of his mother taken by Watson Bro. Birkenhead abt 1860 or so (very strange Clothing) > His mothers name is Ellen E. ? father is john Carter > John carter Had children with his first wife and became a widow married another who also was a widow with children and then had more children together > names of siblings for my great grandfather in a family bible > 1) Joseph > married Claira > migrated to Australia Joseph did travel to the us. to visit his brother Robert stayed about 2 weeks and returned to Australia around 1920 or so is when he visited I have a photo of the two. > > 2) Edward > > 3) John > married with 5 children > > 4) Mary (Polly) > 1 son > > 5) Samuel > died in 1920 in a shipyard married with children > > 6) William Carter . > > later I was told that all the children went to Australia but Robert lived in Canada for 2 years . one family member told me someone use to go visit the uncles in Canada . there is just not enough or consistent data for me to figure this mess out Robert was the only one who came to the United states can anyone out there tell me how I can start this Project very frustrated > Begging for Help > Anita > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > Search the archives of Birkenhead-L > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/BIRKENHEAD.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

John, I think I need to get a map and study it to see if these places are close together Tranmere Chester, Great Mollington, example if someone lived in Tranmere would they go to Birkenhead to have a photo taken ? thank you Very much for your help Anita ----- Original Message ----- From: John Oliver Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 10:39 AM To: BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BKHD] Can somebody please!!! tell me how to start Hello Anita, I have enclosed the 1881 census for the only Robert Carter born in Tranmere at that time Dwelling: Coalpit Lane Census Place: Great Mollington, Cheshire, England Source: FHL Film 1341853 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 3562 Folio 91 Page 21 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John CARTER M 44 M Willaston, Cheshire, England Elizabeth CARTER M 44 F Woodbank, Cheshire, England John CARTER U 19 M Tranmere, Cheshire, England Edward CARTER U 18 M Tranmere, Cheshire, England James TILSTON U 17 M Woodbank, Cheshire, England Mary CARTER U 15 F Tranmere, Cheshire, England Robt. CARTER 10 M Tranmere, Cheshire, England Henry CARTER 6 M Mollington, Cheshire, England Anne CARTER 5 F Mollington, Cheshire, England Matthew CARTER 3 M Mollington, Cheshire, England Elizabeth CARTER 1 F Mollington, Cheshire, England Matilda TEASDALE U 31 F Gilless, Flint, Wales Robert GRIFFITH U 23 M Saughall, Cheshire, England This would appear to be the family you're looking for. Regards John Oliver (Upton, Wirral UK) ----- Original Message ----- From: anita bracken <eeyore_lover29@msn.com> To: <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 7:26 PM Subject: [BKHD] Can somebody please!!! tell me how to start > Hello List I am new and need some beginner tips . > this is my problem > my great grandfather Robert Sylvester Carter was born in Cheshire England > Date Dec. 31 year > one obit for him say's Dec 31 1869 , another obit. say's 1870 ,and his citizenship papers say Dec 31, 1872 ugh. > birth place > both obituaries say Chester Cheshire England , Citizenship papers say Lower Tranmere > One photo of his mother taken by Watson Bro. Birkenhead abt 1860 or so (very strange Clothing) > His mothers name is Ellen E. ? father is john Carter > John carter Had children with his first wife and became a widow married another who also was a widow with children and then had more children together > names of siblings for my great grandfather in a family bible > 1) Joseph > married Claira > migrated to Australia Joseph did travel to the us. to visit his brother Robert stayed about 2 weeks and returned to Australia around 1920 or so is when he visited I have a photo of the two. > > 2) Edward > > 3) John > married with 5 children > > 4) Mary (Polly) > 1 son > > 5) Samuel > died in 1920 in a shipyard married with children > > 6) William Carter . > > later I was told that all the children went to Australia but Robert lived in Canada for 2 years . one family member told me someone use to go visit the uncles in Canada . there is just not enough or consistent data for me to figure this mess out Robert was the only one who came to the United states can anyone out there tell me how I can start this Project very frustrated > Begging for Help > Anita > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > Search the archives of Birkenhead-L > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/BIRKENHEAD.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== To contact the administrator of this mailing list, send mail to BIRKENHEAD-admin@rootsweb.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com