Hello Dave, you see the people My great grandfather left behind in England ,I can find nothing on as far as dates all that got left here were some names written in a bible .even great grandpa I am having a hard time confirming facts since 2 separate obituaries Listed 2 separate years . And His citizenship papers listed another all say Dec 30, then the obits list 1869 & 1870 Citizenship papers say 1872 ,obits say born Chester Cheshire citizenship papers say Lower Tranmere. I was told that Edward and Joseph both older then My great grandpa went to Australia . Joseph He was certain of and thought possibly it was Edward, if not Edward one older brother went with Joseph there were 2 of them though. I have tried searching the web for Australia carters and what I found out was they are as common as they are in England . so with out a good hard fact even if someone wanted to help me nobody can : ( facts that I know parents John carter mother Ellen ? children William samuel-died 1920 in a ship yard Edward Joseph Robert Sylveter Mary(Polly) Robert left Liverpool March 17 1898 on the vessel dominion the 2 older boys had to of been born abt 1860-1869 I just think with me being in the us there is no possible way for me to ever find my family : ( England and Australia are a hole nother world a way from me But thank you so much offering to help my lost cause Anita ----- Original Message ----- From: David Miller Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 11:43 PM To: BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BKHD] Can somebody please!!! tell me how to start Anita, I live in Australia and am sure there are some ship lists on the web. It will be just a matter of finding them. If you can send me any relevant details ie Names, ages(DOB) arrival dates etc. I will have a look and see what I can find. Regards Dave Miller ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== To contact the administrator of this mailing list, send mail to BIRKENHEAD-admin@rootsweb.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

hELLO ALL LISTERS - Woud there be SKS who would be willing to do a lookup of the 1901 census for the above address and let me know who was living at that address. I had asked someone in particular to go and do a lookup for me but they have been unable due to extra work requirements each weekend. I would appreciate just this one address being looked up and the others can wait. Thanks in advance Joyce

Hello Joan - I only just found out the street name when a cousin looked up her mothers birth certificate and told me where her parents lived in 1891 when she was born. I know also that the family moved from Birkenhead about 1902. So they were not there very long and your relative probably moved in after my g`parents moved out. GOOD HUNTING JOYCE

How do I access the Cheshire BMD site. I am a novice beginner, er sort of. Dave Downunder

It's a long shot , but it's worth a try ! I am trying to find any information on my uncle: STEPHEN SNOWDON CLARKE SMITH , that's the name he used when he joined the Army in WW1. He was bap' Snowdon Stephen Clarke Smith , Dob 14 - 9 - 1886 in Southampton , where he spent some of his life. Has a older child he lived in Jersey, C.I. His link with the Birkenhead area, is it is where he enlisted in the Royal Welch Fusiliers , Service No. 4995 [ 291894 ]. He may have been in the Cheshire Regiment before the R.W.F . He was killed in action on 26 - 3 - 1917 in Palestine. Did he live in Merseyside, have a wife , children ? Is there anyone or family that use the name Clarke as a middle name in front of Smith ? Here's hoping. Thanks in advance. Nigel Clarke Smith.

Hi Joyce and anyone else who might be able to help, I noted an address in your recent e-mail; the same one that I have been left as a "clue" in my genealogy search. I have an old letter which gives the name of a relative. Letter was written between 1891 and 1926. Mrs. E. Powell 67 Daker (sic) St. Birkenhead, Cheshire, England. I do not know exactly how she is related to a Charles Arthur Winter, possibly his mother who had remarried. Would really like to find out more about her. Joan Winters in Randolph, Massachusetts, USA

When you send for certificates, be sure to put in your phone number. The Birkenhead registrar phoned me after I sent for two marriage certificates for my great-grandfather. She thought I had made a mistake as the two wives had the same surname. In fact my ggfather married two sisters. ... Elizabeth Atherton

Hi All I am new to this list and am researching the following names, the first two queries are the ones I am stuck on. The other are just in case someone else is researching the same names. I do have more information if anyone is interested. Nathaniel CRAZE married Harriet HANNAFORD around 1893 They could have married in Liverpool, but one of their children Edith Craze was born February 17, 1894 at 6 Alma Street, Birkenhead. I am really stuck on this one! They probably also had a Nathaniel Craze born 1893. I have probably found Harriet's family on the IGI in Liverpool. but am particularly stuck on where Nathaniel came from. I would love to find this family on the 1891 census Margaret Anne FENTON was born at 2 Club Row, Birkenhead on November 4, 1888 Parents John Thomas Fenton and Annie Cochrane (unsure of spelling). Stuck on this one too! I would really like to find this family on the 1891 census. Edith CRAZE married an ADAM BUTTERWORTH before 1913 in Birkenhead Adam BUTTERWORTH married Winifred THARME October 8, 1939 at Holy Trinity, Birkenhead. George THARME married Margaret Anne FENTON at the Parish Church, Birkenhead on November 4th 1916 George THARME was born at 11 Queen St, Birkenhead on September 13, 1878 George THARM's parents were John Tharme and Suzannah McCartin they were married in Liverpool in 1862. John Tharme appears to have been christened in Liverpool, but I haven't been able to find his birth certificate yet. Suzannah McCartin came from Ïreland, her parent's names were Hugh McCartin and Susan ? Emily Owens born 1882. Father William Alexander Emmanuel Owens Cheers Debbie Hong Kong

When you send for certificates, be sure to put in your phone number. The Birkenhead registrar phoned me after I sent for two marriage certificates for my great-grandfather. She thought I had made a mistake as the two wives had the same surname. In fact my ggfather married two sisters. ... Elizabeth Atherton

Hi Joan, I would also be interested in finding out if the banns book or register for Holy Trinity Church in Birkenhead have survived too. Any info please, let's know. tom

Joyce, you say you would like a Blank copy. try this : when you are on the cheshire B.M.D.site, click on the ref number last column on right, get a print out of A certificate.Like you did when you downloaded a copy before. erase with correction fluid the stuff you do not need, and fill in the information that you DO have. registrars although very helpful will NOT do lookups they have to deal first with todays B.M.and D's. you MUST always send the fee with the request or you will not hear back. your fee will either pay for the certificate or it will be returned with a letter telling you why. hope this helps. regards Barbara NORTHWICH. ----- Original Message ----- From: <CRETEYET@aol.com> To: <BIRKENHEAD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 11:52 PM Subject: [BKHD] birth certificates - GLAZEBROOKS > Hello Listers - I . I would like to download a blank copy of request for > birth certificate as I have a reference obtained from LDS as party has not > yet been added to the Cheshire BMD. > > 2. Will it be OK to mail our a request form if I am not sure of the exact > reference number. The following are some examples: > > A. William Henry Glazebrook Sep Qtr 1870 8A 470 but the 4 is not clear, it > might be something else. The 1881 census showed him born in Tranmere the LDS > fiche shows registration as Birkenhead > B. What about someone where I only have name and a date christened in > St.Peters church in Liverpool and the father`s name. Would that be enough? > > C. Another instance what chance is there of getting a certificate if the LDS > only show Batch numbers along with dates and names? Should they have other > information that I need to get or is the batch numbers only in order to order > their films? > > I`m sorry to be so dense about all this, I ordered a marriage certificate > after downloading a copy and received it w/o any trouble, but in these > instances the information is not on the system so I would like to have a > site where I can get a blank copy. > > I believe someone wrote a while back that if I am ordering several > certificates at the same time I should forward individual payments in case > one or more are not available. Is that still a valid option? How do I know > which of several Birkenhead locations I would mail to? or are they all now > in the same Wirral location? > > Has anyone any experience with unsure data? Will they try to match up the > right one with the type of info that I have? > > I`m half afraid to mail this out with so many questions, I apologise Cheers > Joyce > > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > Search the archives of Birkenhead-L > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/BIRKENHEAD.html > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello Joice, i have an interest in schools and believe it is well worth trying to track down the records. if they do not this is the next best thing. . I tracked a school in Devon through the census returns,mainly because it contained many children born in India.No records exist for the school presumably because it was a privately run familly affair,having said that, i was able to get a general picture of it.The school was familly run and had a parent school in Exeter ,also run by familly members.It was fairly new in 1841and had grown rapidly by 1851. By 1861only two children from India remained,(oviously an effect of the 1857 Indian Mutiny.)although they had managed to take in more local children.By 1871 things were picking up.Somewhere between 81/91it started to decline and in 1901 no longer existed. living in the area i am able to add to this information.I recently did this for someone who had a decendant who attended the school.In the absence of records its the best we can hope for. Another School.,though not in this area,Kensington Proprietry School, did have records,and my brother managed to track them down.although i should add only for the earlier years,the later ones went missing. We were lucky and managed to get the records for two of our decendants.1836-1852. I am trying to find out now, about small schools befor the census began.Anyone got any ideas.?Looking for Macleods. If this reply to the list spreads out,will someone please tell me why.? It drives me nuts. annabelle from Devon.

Hi Dot here are all the Mary Corletts in Lancashire on the 1881 census. CORLETT, Maria Head <1815> Engl Edin CORLETT, Mary Wife <1815> Lanc Lanc CORLET, Mary Serv <1825> Lanc Lanc CORLETT, Mary C. Head <1826> Engl IMan CORLETT, Mary A. Head <1829> Engl Lanc CORLETT, Mary A. Vist <1830> Lanc Ches CORLETT, Mary Wife <1837> Engl IMan CORLETT, Mary Wife <1838> Lanc Lanc CORLETT, Mary DauL <1851> Lanc Lanc CORLETT, Mary Jane Bord <1855> Lanc Lanc CORLET, Mary L. Dau <1862> Lanc Lanc CORLETT, Mary H. Dau <1864> Lanc Lanc CORLETT, Mary E. Dau <1865> Lanc Lanc CORLETT, Mary E. Serv <1866> Lanc Lanc CORLETT, Mary E. Bord <1866> Lanc Lanc CORLETT, Mary E. Dau <1868> Lanc Lanc CORLETT, Mary Jane SisL <1868> Lanc Lanc CORLETT, Mary Ann GDau <1878> Lanc Lanc CORLETT, Mary Elizabeth Dau <1878> Lanc Lanc CORLETT, Mary J. Dau <1878> Lanc Lanc These were taken from the index disc to see more look at North Cntral region disc 1. Ditto For this lot too.BESWICK, Jos. H. Head <1813> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph Head <1817> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph Head <1822> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph Bord <1825> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph Head <1826> Lanc Ches BESWICK, Joseph Head <1836> Lanc Lanc BESTWICK, Joseph Head <1838> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph Head <1840> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph T. H. Head <1842> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph Head <1844> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph Son <1847> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph Head <1849> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph Head <1853> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph Head <1853> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph Son <1853> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph Head <1854> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph Head <1854> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph BroL <1855> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph Head <1858> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph Son <1859> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph Lodg <1860> Lanc York BESWICK, Joseph H. Son <1860> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph Son <1861> Lanc Lanc BESTWICK, Joseph Son <1862> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph Son <1862> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph Son <1867> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph H. Son <1868> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph GSon <1869> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph Son <1869> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph Son <1871> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph Son <1872> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph Son <1875> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Jos. Son <1876> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph Son <1877> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph Son <1880> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph Son <1880> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph Son <1880> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph Chalres Son <1880> Lanc Lanc BESWICK, Joseph Walker Son <1880> Lanc Lanc Good Luck Ann MacKinnon in NSW Oz

Hello Listers: I have the following people showing at 1 Booth St. Tranmere in 1881 census, and probably 67 Dacre St. in 1891. Rebecca Glazebrook age 33 James G Glazebrook age 14 Sarah G Glazebrook age 13 William H. Glazebrook age 10 Sarah Cubbins age 68 Would it be possible to rule out the fact that they were or were not at the same address in 1871 I am finding birth records but reference numbers are not all clear. If some of these people are found together, it is possible some additional information may show up along with one or more names. I was at our local LDS office today and they have a few records for 1851 but nothing for 1861 or 1871. I realise it is quite possible that in 10 years they may have moved and I understand if they are not found there, in any case I would appreciate any effort made, TIA Joyce

Hello List, Today is another one of those days were " I am so far behind, I think I am in front" Thank you all for the wonderful responce which I have received on explaning " Poulton cum Seacombe " Ruth, Frederick, Pam, Gordon, John, Barbara, Lyn . I hope I haven't forgotten anyone. Some have helped me before.I find it hard to put my appreciation into words but I am truely grateful for all the help I receive. When you folks come back with an explanation for me it really makes me feel close to my roots.And understanding were my people lived. Many thanks again everyone. Pat and Bill Alberta, Canada pat0bill@telusplanet.net

Hi John , I just spoke to my mothers cousin and he was able to tell me at least 2 of the carter boys went to Australia one we know was Joseph the other he thinks was Edward he Knows that they were both older then my Grt. Grandpa and that the Carter farm was right on the edge of Whales . ? this family in the Census does look like it would be my family but as I went through the names 3 of my Carter boys are missing William , Samuel, and Joseph Carter who may be the one you found. What scares me a bit is that I was talking to a lady who had tracked her English ancestors back and had worked on it for 10 years to discover she had been tracking the wrong family all along . I want so badly to run with this but I am afraid to with 3 missing boys I just wish there were some possible way to get some facts that I could depend on to get the ball rolling : ( AnitaGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

Hi All Could someone do a look up of all ROBSON's in the Birkenhead area on the 1881 census. I know this is a long shot but I am trying to find my GGrandfather and need a place to start. TIA Rob Harries South Africa ********************************************************************* This footnote confirms that this e-mail message has been scanned for the presence of known computer viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Control Centre. However, it is still recommended that you use local virus scanning software to monitor for the presence of viruses. *********************************************************************

Hello Listers - Yes I agree with Caryl- I would have liked to see the response regarding experience researching schools I might be interested in different areas, but someones experience in one area might be of help to someone else who perhaps hadn`t thought of such enquiries. Joyce

Poulton cum Seacombe is th "correct" modern spelling, but I have also seen it Poolton (after all, the name comes from the "Pool" ie Wallasey Pool, the inlet from the Mersey that separates Wallasey from Birkenhead). "cum" is a Latin term meaning "with" - there are two areas of Wallasey: Poulton and Seacombe. I suppose they were once hamlets, then combined as a township, for administrative purposes. ( the other two areas of Wallasey were Wallasey and Liscard). I'm not sure when Wallasey split up into these three area/parishes/townships - St John's Liscard and St Paul's Seacombe are both early 19th century, I think, but I'm fairly certian that the townships existed efore they became parishes in their own right. Ruth Wilson Wallasey > I would also like to ask here I have seen many times Poulton cum Seacombe. > But what I have here is definitely Poolton was there both ?? Or is this a > misprint ? > Also can you explane what cum means ? I though it was a large building > houseing many familys. But I see Gardeners Court Poulton cum Seacombe > Victoria Road Poulton cum Seacombe > Havelock Street Poulton cum Seacombe so is this like a > district ? > Pat and Bill > pat0bill@telusplanet.net > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > To contact the administrator of this mailing list, send mail to > BIRKENHEAD-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Below are all the Robson's found in Birkenhead on the 1881 census Hope this helps. If you want more info on any one then please ask. Regards Joy Faucheux ROBSON, A. Bord <1811> Birth: Lanc Wigan Census: Ches Birkenhead ROBSON, Robert Head <1826> Birth: Cumb Census: Ches Birkenhead ROBSON, Sarah Wife Head <1827> Birth: Shro Ruyton Eleven Towns Census: Ches Birkenhead ROBSON, Frances Wife <1829> Birth: Cumb Census: Ches Birkenhead ROBSON, Jane Head <1837> Birth: Scot Annan Census: Ches Birkenhead ROBSON, Hannah Wife <1840> Birth: Scot Census: Ches Birkenhead ROBSON, William Head <1841> Birth: Scot Census: Ches Birkenhead ROBSON, Margaret Dau <1856> Birth: Staf Census: Ches Birkenhead ROBSON, Elizabeth Dau <1858> Birth: Lanc Liverpool Census: Ches Birkenhead ROBSON, Joseph SonL <1859> Birth: Birkenhead Census: Ches Birkenhead ROBSON, Ann Dau <1862> Birth: Nthu Newcastle Census: Ches Birkenhead ROBSON, Philip Son <1862> Birth: Liverpool Census: Ches Birkenhead ROBSON, Selina Dau <1862> Birth: Birkenhead Census: Ches Birkenhead ROBSON, George Son <1863> Birth: Birkenhead Census: Ches Birkenhead ROBSON, John Son <1864> Birth: Birkenhead Census: Ches Birkenhead ROBSON, Alfred Son <1865> Birth: Birkenhead Census: Ches Birkenhead ROBSON, Alice Dau <1865> Birth: Nthu Newcastle Census: Ches Birkenhead ROBSON, Jane Dau <1866> Birth: Birkenhead Census: Ches Birkenhead ROBSON, Jane Serv <1867> Birth: Scot Census: Ches Birkenhead ROBSON, George Son <1869> Birth: Nthu Tweedmouth Census: Ches Birkenhead ROBSON, Agnes Dau <1871> Birth: Scot Census: Ches Birkenhead ROBSON, Annie Dau <1873> Birth: Scot Census: Ches Birkenhead ROBSON, Benjamin Son <1873> Birth: Birkenhead Census: Ches Birkenhead ROBSON, Sarah Dau <1873> Birth: Birkenhead Census: Ches Birkenhead ROBSON, Mary Dau <1876> Birth: Ches Birkenhd Census: Ches Birkenhead ROBSON, Gorgina C. Dau <1879> Birth: Ches Birkenhd Census: Ches Birkenhead ROBSON, Margaret GDau <1881> Birth: Birkenhead Census: Ches Birkenhead