Hi I lived at 661 Borough Rd the first house I ever bought could not aford is so converted it into 2 flats to help with the mortgage it was just round the corner from Clarence Rd we did not go out on match days to much trouble we used to go out the next day to see how many shop windows wre broken Cheers George Lavendersblue <[email protected]> wrote:I think it was 671. On the opposite side was the row ofshops, and if you were walking passed the shops going away from Singleton Ave there was a small street; I lived right opposite that street. Did my laundrey at the laundrette. Didn't go out on the front on match day for fear of the mounted police. Those horses were huge! ----- Original Message ----- From: "GEORGE HIGHTON" To: Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Schools > Hi Helen yes Westbank Rd was in Devonshire ParkI lived on Borough Rd in > the 60's what no did you live in ? Cheers George > > Lavendersblue wrote:Hi Monica, > > I don't know of a Westbank in Prenton, but a bit further along is a > Westbank > in what is now called Devonshire Park (I knew this as Tranmere, but > perhaps > it wasn't). In the 1980s I lived on Borough Road, and right behind me was > this Westbank. The houses on Borough Road were large Victorian > semi-detached > houses, and those on Westbank may well have been similar. Many of this > type > of large house were converted into flats (apartments?). > > Just a few streets away is St Catherine's Hospital, the old union > workhouse. > Going back along to the left is Prenton Park, the home of Tranmere Rovers > Football Club. > > I have Google searched the street, as sometimes you strike lucky and you > can > find a property for sale. I didn't find any though. > > Sorry I can't be of much help. May be someone more local can help. > > Best wishes, > > Helen > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fraser & Monica Taylor" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 2:43 PM > Subject: [BKHD-Wirral] Schools > > >>I have an ancestor who died at 72 Westbank Road, Prenton about 1944. Can >>anyone tell me what kind of neighbourhood this would have been in prewar >>days? Was in middleclass, poor, upper class? Was this area bombed during >>the war? >> >> Thanks for any information >> >> Monica in Ottawa >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 4:00 AM >> Subject: BIRKENHEAD-D Digest V04 #229 >> >> >> >> ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== >> Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html >> >> ============================== >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> > > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > Cheers George > > --------------------------------- > ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 Cheers George --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!

I think it was 671. On the opposite side was the row ofshops, and if you were walking passed the shops going away from Singleton Ave there was a small street; I lived right opposite that street. Did my laundrey at the laundrette. Didn't go out on the front on match day for fear of the mounted police. Those horses were huge! ----- Original Message ----- From: "GEORGE HIGHTON" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Schools > Hi Helen yes Westbank Rd was in Devonshire ParkI lived on Borough Rd in > the 60's what no did you live in ? Cheers George > > Lavendersblue <[email protected]> wrote:Hi Monica, > > I don't know of a Westbank in Prenton, but a bit further along is a > Westbank > in what is now called Devonshire Park (I knew this as Tranmere, but > perhaps > it wasn't). In the 1980s I lived on Borough Road, and right behind me was > this Westbank. The houses on Borough Road were large Victorian > semi-detached > houses, and those on Westbank may well have been similar. Many of this > type > of large house were converted into flats (apartments?). > > Just a few streets away is St Catherine's Hospital, the old union > workhouse. > Going back along to the left is Prenton Park, the home of Tranmere Rovers > Football Club. > > I have Google searched the street, as sometimes you strike lucky and you > can > find a property for sale. I didn't find any though. > > Sorry I can't be of much help. May be someone more local can help. > > Best wishes, > > Helen > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fraser & Monica Taylor" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 2:43 PM > Subject: [BKHD-Wirral] Schools > > >>I have an ancestor who died at 72 Westbank Road, Prenton about 1944. Can >>anyone tell me what kind of neighbourhood this would have been in prewar >>days? Was in middleclass, poor, upper class? Was this area bombed during >>the war? >> >> Thanks for any information >> >> Monica in Ottawa >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 4:00 AM >> Subject: BIRKENHEAD-D Digest V04 #229 >> >> >> >> ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== >> Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html >> >> ============================== >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> > > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > Cheers George > > --------------------------------- > ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Helen yes Westbank Rd was in Devonshire ParkI lived on Borough Rd in the 60's what no did you live in ? Cheers George Lavendersblue <[email protected]> wrote:Hi Monica, I don't know of a Westbank in Prenton, but a bit further along is a Westbank in what is now called Devonshire Park (I knew this as Tranmere, but perhaps it wasn't). In the 1980s I lived on Borough Road, and right behind me was this Westbank. The houses on Borough Road were large Victorian semi-detached houses, and those on Westbank may well have been similar. Many of this type of large house were converted into flats (apartments?). Just a few streets away is St Catherine's Hospital, the old union workhouse. Going back along to the left is Prenton Park, the home of Tranmere Rovers Football Club. I have Google searched the street, as sometimes you strike lucky and you can find a property for sale. I didn't find any though. Sorry I can't be of much help. May be someone more local can help. Best wishes, Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fraser & Monica Taylor" To: Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 2:43 PM Subject: [BKHD-Wirral] Schools >I have an ancestor who died at 72 Westbank Road, Prenton about 1944. Can >anyone tell me what kind of neighbourhood this would have been in prewar >days? Was in middleclass, poor, upper class? Was this area bombed during >the war? > > Thanks for any information > > Monica in Ottawa > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 4:00 AM > Subject: BIRKENHEAD-D Digest V04 #229 > > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 Cheers George --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!

Hi Ray more than likely on the ferry's or the tugs aif he went away to sea he would more than likely say he was a steward or engineer or give his specific job seamen were very proud of the callingor most of them , my cusin and uncle were both Stewards on the Empress Lines and both very proud of Ships. Cheers George ray jones <[email protected]> wrote:My g g g g grandfather,William Cox, was identified as a Boatman in the 1851 Census for Birkenhead. I realize that he may have been employed on the River,Ferry or perhaps,less likely, an ocean going ship. I would appreciate opinions as to his most likely vocation? Ray.Jones,Ontario ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html ============================== You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ Cheers George --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!

Hi Monica, I don't know of a Westbank in Prenton, but a bit further along is a Westbank in what is now called Devonshire Park (I knew this as Tranmere, but perhaps it wasn't). In the 1980s I lived on Borough Road, and right behind me was this Westbank. The houses on Borough Road were large Victorian semi-detached houses, and those on Westbank may well have been similar. Many of this type of large house were converted into flats (apartments?). Just a few streets away is St Catherine's Hospital, the old union workhouse. Going back along to the left is Prenton Park, the home of Tranmere Rovers Football Club. I have Google searched the street, as sometimes you strike lucky and you can find a property for sale. I didn't find any though. Sorry I can't be of much help. May be someone more local can help. Best wishes, Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fraser & Monica Taylor" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 2:43 PM Subject: [BKHD-Wirral] Schools >I have an ancestor who died at 72 Westbank Road, Prenton about 1944. Can >anyone tell me what kind of neighbourhood this would have been in prewar >days? Was in middleclass, poor, upper class? Was this area bombed during >the war? > > Thanks for any information > > Monica in Ottawa > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 4:00 AM > Subject: BIRKENHEAD-D Digest V04 #229 > > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Monica it depends what you mean by middle class the area is a suburb of Birkenhead a working class town across the Mersy from Liverpool which suffered a decline on the closure of the shipyards of Camel Laird but I think it is looking up with the advent of CAPITOL OF CULTURE in 2008 for Liverpool houses in Westbank Rd were built around the turn of the centuty very modern for the time with gardens back and front large three story with inside bathroom and toilet a lot of them have been converted into flats fairly good amenities I think most of the district was built by a Welsh Methodist Westbank Greenbank willowbank rockybankand heathbankRds all borderd by Borough rd south rd and north rd I lived ther in the 60,s cheers George Fraser & Monica Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:I have an ancestor who died at 72 Westbank Road, Prenton about 1944. Can anyone tell me what kind of neighbourhood this would have been in prewar days? Was in middleclass, poor, upper class? Was this area bombed during the war? Thanks for any information Monica in Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 4:00 AM Subject: BIRKENHEAD-D Digest V04 #229 ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 Cheers George --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!

hi Pat and Bill and Helen there was a change in the law about this at some point, although not sure when or what the details were. I think there was another change just after the ww1, to do with secondary education. Judy ---------- >From: "Pat and Bill" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Birkenhead Union School - Tranmere >Date: 17, Sun Oct, 2004, 12:46 am > > Children aged between 10-13 yrs had to stay on unless they >> passed the satisfactory standard.

Dear Helen. It was a tavern which was converted from the old farmhouse and Mill, I know it was at Irby, I will have to ask my sister who lives at Upton, her husband always took us there on a Wednesday night so that he could have his glasses of beer, and she would have 2 whiskys. It was a ritual, they did it every Wednesday night., I was staying with them for a while. My sister is Joan and her husband was Hugh. Graham. Cheers. Barbara, New Zealand. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lavendersblue" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN, POVALL,BARLOW. > Barbara, is this the Anchor pub you're talking about on Irby Road? When I > lived over there there was a Youds family living on the opposite side of the > pub and a bit further down. > Helen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "barbjack" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 8:12 PM > Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. > WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN, POVALL,BARLOW. > > > > Dear Gordon. Well you have done your homework, Good on you. In my > > wanderings, looking for connections, I have come to the conclusion that > > our > > origins came from Irby, because the Mill (which is now a public house) > > seems > > to be the place where they have been living at one time. (I have actually > > had a sherry in what would have been the kitchen ) I did not know at the > > time the significance . I am so grateful for any snippit of information, > > My > > grandma Youds as we call Catherine who married John Wilkinson the younger, > > was a Quaker she was born in Bidston, but John Wilkinson was born in > > Warrington, his father was Joseph, but I don't think Joseph was from > > Warrington. Catherine and John had 10 children, 9 were sons, many were > > killed in the 1st world war, I never met them, but I did meet Jack and Jo, > > so they must have had children, you are spread all over the Wirral, one > > would be a butcher, some went to sea, my grandfather followed in the > > footsteps of his father, he was a boilermaker. John Wilkinson played the > > violin, and played for local hops, and I suspect was in the orchestra for > > the operas. Anyway, thanks for communicating , perhaps we will eventually > > find connections, it is good, I think I have sparked a flood of info for > > others on the list. That much be good. Regards, Barbara., New Zealand. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "gordon evans" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 4:03 AM > > Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. > > WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN, > > POVALL,BARLOW. > > > > > >> Hi Barbara > >> > >> When I said I had ALL the names in your list I meant all the one's I > >> could > >> see in the subject line viz WHARTON, YOUDS, CHATTERTON and WILKINSON. I > >> didn't appreciate that there were another seven names off the edge of the > >> page! > >> As it happens I do also have PEACOCK's, SMITH's, POVALL's and BARLOW's, > > but > >> no KENYON's, DWERRYHOUSE's or COGHLAN's I'm afraid. > >> My WILKINSON's are mostly from Saughall Massey & Upton-in-Overchurch, > >> whereas your great-grandfather John WILKINSON appears to be from > > Warrington. > >> My YOUD's are from Irby, Thurstaston and Hoose whereas yours are from > >> Bidston. > >> I have a Frances WHARTON (b1809 Bidston) who married Joseph SHERLOCK in > > 1829 > >> but her parents were James and Elizabeth. > >> As Ann Nazari has pointed out, there will be many North Wirral listers > >> who > >> can > >> identify with your names - it's just a question of finding the right > >> ones! > >> Good luck, anyway. > >> Gordon > >> > >> >Dear Gordon. My Kenyon is John, in 1789 his daughter Alice >married > >> >John > >> >Dwerryhouse, at Childwall, Stanley Youds married Mary Chatterton, >they > > had > >> >my gt grandmother Catherine Youds who married John Wilkinson, >Catherine > >> was > >> >born in Bidston in 1833, married John in 1858, their son my >grandfather > >> was > >> >Samuel Wilkinson born 1876 in Birkenhead married my grandmother >Harriet > >> >Dwerryhouse in I think 1899, my mother Harriet Wilkinson married >Thomas > >> >Jackson Smith at St Anne , Stanley, Liverpool in April 1931, I was >born > > in > >> >1933. that is my grandfathers line, my grandmother Harriets mother >was > >> Eliza > >> >Jane Peacock, she married John Dwerryhouse in 1873 December , at >St > >> >Nicholas, Liverpool landing stage. her father was William Peacock >and I > >> >think not proven yet, that William may have married Catherine >Coghlan > > 1848 > >> >at Cork, Ireland. Povall and Barlow are intermarried with the Youds >and > >> >Wilkinson. I know that are but cannot at this stage find the dates, > >>Barlow > >> >was Catherine Youds (Wilkinson) sister in law who lived with her for a > >> >time > >> >in Birkenhead. Catherine Wilkinson new Youds had a brother 2 years > >>younger > >> >than her named Thomas. The Youds lived at Bidston, and I am told >that > >> >we > >> are > >> >related to Robert Youds who had the flour Mill on Bidston Hill. Any > >> >connections that you can see ? Cheers, Barbara <New Zealand.Oh! >I > > forgot > >> >Wharton, I think he was Thomas, his daughter married William >Youds in > >> 1700s. > >> >Somewhere there is a connection with the Royal family, not sure >who, > >> >but > >> it > >> >was all hushed up and we were told as children we were not allowed >to > > tell > >> >anyone, as Queen Victoria was a cousin Cheers. Barbara. > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > >> Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > >> > >> ============================== > >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >> > > > > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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Helen wrote>>Anyway George, there's going to be complaints if we carry on reminiscing!>> Oh no there isn't! Not from me anyway Social history is all part of what this list is about. I like to see a nice mix of genealogy and social history, reminiscences included! Puts the flesh on the bones of our ancestors from the Birkenhead and Wirral area Great to see the list busier than usual. Keep 'em coming Caryl List Owner

Slightly off list, my apologies but I am trying to locate Raymond Holmes who lived in the Birkenhead area during the 1970's. He had a brother Ted (Edward) who I believe died a few years ago and 4 or 5 children, one of them was named Chris. If you recognise this family or you belong to the family please contact me off list. Cheers SH

My g g g g grandfather,William Cox, was identified as a Boatman in the 1851 Census for Birkenhead. I realize that he may have been employed on the River,Ferry or perhaps,less likely, an ocean going ship. I would appreciate opinions as to his most likely vocation? Ray.Jones,Ontario

I have an ancestor who died at 72 Westbank Road, Prenton about 1944. Can anyone tell me what kind of neighbourhood this would have been in prewar days? Was in middleclass, poor, upper class? Was this area bombed during the war? Thanks for any information Monica in Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 4:00 AM Subject: BIRKENHEAD-D Digest V04 #229

Dear Gordon. Well you have done your homework, Good on you. In my wanderings, looking for connections, I have come to the conclusion that our origins came from Irby, because the Mill (which is now a public house) seems to be the place where they have been living at one time. (I have actually had a sherry in what would have been the kitchen ) I did not know at the time the significance . I am so grateful for any snippit of information, My grandma Youds as we call Catherine who married John Wilkinson the younger, was a Quaker she was born in Bidston, but John Wilkinson was born in Warrington, his father was Joseph, but I don't think Joseph was from Warrington. Catherine and John had 10 children, 9 were sons, many were killed in the 1st world war, I never met them, but I did meet Jack and Jo, so they must have had children, you are spread all over the Wirral, one would be a butcher, some went to sea, my grandfather followed in the footsteps of his father, he was a boilermaker. John Wilkinson played the violin, and played for local hops, and I suspect was in the orchestra for the operas. Anyway, thanks for communicating , perhaps we will eventually find connections, it is good, I think I have sparked a flood of info for others on the list. That much be good. Regards, Barbara., New Zealand. ----- Original Message ----- From: "gordon evans" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 4:03 AM Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN, POVALL,BARLOW. > Hi Barbara > > When I said I had ALL the names in your list I meant all the one's I could > see in the subject line viz WHARTON, YOUDS, CHATTERTON and WILKINSON. I > didn't appreciate that there were another seven names off the edge of the > page! > As it happens I do also have PEACOCK's, SMITH's, POVALL's and BARLOW's, but > no KENYON's, DWERRYHOUSE's or COGHLAN's I'm afraid. > My WILKINSON's are mostly from Saughall Massey & Upton-in-Overchurch, > whereas your great-grandfather John WILKINSON appears to be from Warrington. > My YOUD's are from Irby, Thurstaston and Hoose whereas yours are from > Bidston. > I have a Frances WHARTON (b1809 Bidston) who married Joseph SHERLOCK in 1829 > but her parents were James and Elizabeth. > As Ann Nazari has pointed out, there will be many North Wirral listers who > can > identify with your names - it's just a question of finding the right ones! > Good luck, anyway. > Gordon > > >Dear Gordon. My Kenyon is John, in 1789 his daughter Alice >married John > >Dwerryhouse, at Childwall, Stanley Youds married Mary Chatterton, >they had > >my gt grandmother Catherine Youds who married John Wilkinson, >Catherine > was > >born in Bidston in 1833, married John in 1858, their son my >grandfather > was > >Samuel Wilkinson born 1876 in Birkenhead married my grandmother >Harriet > >Dwerryhouse in I think 1899, my mother Harriet Wilkinson married >Thomas > >Jackson Smith at St Anne , Stanley, Liverpool in April 1931, I was >born in > >1933. that is my grandfathers line, my grandmother Harriets mother >was > Eliza > >Jane Peacock, she married John Dwerryhouse in 1873 December , at >St > >Nicholas, Liverpool landing stage. her father was William Peacock >and I > >think not proven yet, that William may have married Catherine >Coghlan 1848 > >at Cork, Ireland. Povall and Barlow are intermarried with the Youds >and > >Wilkinson. I know that are but cannot at this stage find the dates, >Barlow > >was Catherine Youds (Wilkinson) sister in law who lived with her for a > >time > >in Birkenhead. Catherine Wilkinson new Youds had a brother 2 years >younger > >than her named Thomas. The Youds lived at Bidston, and I am told >that we > are > >related to Robert Youds who had the flour Mill on Bidston Hill. Any > >connections that you can see ? Cheers, Barbara <New Zealand.Oh! >I forgot > >Wharton, I think he was Thomas, his daughter married William >Youds in > 1700s. > >Somewhere there is a connection with the Royal family, not sure >who, but > it > >was all hushed up and we were told as children we were not allowed >to tell > >anyone, as Queen Victoria was a cousin Cheers. Barbara. > > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Dear Ross. Thank you for the transcription, itis very helpful and undeniable don't you think ? Would you know if the shop happens to have been a butchers shop? or was it a bakery ? Would you have any idea what houses mentioned in the will consisted of ? Because I went into the house which had been a farm and at one time an inn, it was for sale about 8 years ago, I was visiting England, I live in New Zealand.It was on the corner of School Lane opposite St Oswald Church.There is so much history in Bidston , that I am hungry for more . Thank you so much. Regards, Barbara. New Zealand. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ros Dunning" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 12:13 AM Subject: RE: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN, POVALL,BARLOW. > Here is a Will I have transcribed which includes many of the above names: > > In the Name of God Amen I John Wharton of Bidston in the Hundred of Wirrall > and County of Chester Yeoman considering the uncertainty of this life do > make and publish this my last Will and Testament in Manner and form > following First and principally I commend my soul into the hands of Almighty > God who gave it, hoping through the merits of Christ Jesus to receive > Remission of all my sins and to inherit everlasting Life; and my Body I > commit to the Earth, to be decently buried at the Direction and Discretion > of my Executor and Executrix hereinafter named and touching all such worldly > Goods and Possessions with which it hath pleased God to bless me I leave as > followsFirst I will that all my just Debts, lawful Demands funeral Expences > and expences attending the Probate of this my Will be first paid and > discharged out of my personal Estate Then I will that my loving Wife Ellen > Wharton shall have, and I leave and bequeath to her Twenty Pounds lawful > British Money yearly for her natural Life to be paid out of my leasehold > Estate in Bidston aforesaid by Ten Pounds every Half Year and the House > adjoining that I live in with the Garden at the Back of it and what Goods > she pleases to furnish it with, also for her natural Life: and provided the > sd Estate fall void by the Death of Lives before her Decease, Then I will > that she shall have the two Houses and shop in Peter's Street Liverpool > which I hold for three Lives and Twenty One Years, for the Remainder of her > natural Life after such my said Estate in Bidston becomes void as aforesaid, > and at her Decease I leave these Two Houses and Shop to be sold and the > Money they take to be equally divided amongst my son Thomas Wharton, the > children of my late daughter Elizabeth Buckley and my daughters Ellen Youds, > Margaret Chatterton and Ann Wharton Share and Share alike ; and provided any > one or more of them die without Issue his, her, or their Share or Shares to > be equally divided to them and their Issues,And If John Daulby should > expect any Thing I cut him off with one shilling And I leave and bequeath to > my Niece Frances Sarratt Twenty Pounds to be paid at my decease And Last In > I leave and bequeath my Estate in Bidston and Liverpool to be set at my > Decease my Son Thomas Wharton having the Option of having it at Forty Pounds > per Annum , and the neat yearly rent after my Wife's Annuity is deducted for > her natural life to be equally divided amongst my son Thomas Wharton my > daughter Mary Nicholls, the children of my late daughter Elizabeth Buckley, > and my daughters Ellen Youds, Margaret Chatterton and Anne Wharton Share and > Share alike to them and their Issue, only I will my son Thomas Wharton shall > have four Guineas a Year more than the rest as a reward for his trouble in > looking after the setling of it, and provided any one or more of them should > die without Issue his, her or their Share or shares to be equally divided > amongst the Survivors Share or shares alike And my meaning is that my late > daughter Elizabeth Buckley's children above mentioned shall have one Share > with my other Children as before limitted, through all my Effects and not > every one a Share equal with my other Children And I hereby nominate and > appoint my Sone Thomas Wharton and my Wife Ellen Wharton Executor and > Executrix of this my last Will and Testament hereby revoking all former > Wills by me made In Witness whereof I have hereunto set my Hand and Seal > this Twenyfourth day of May in the Thirty Sixth Year of the Reign of our > Sovereign Lord George the Third King of Great Britain France and Ireland and > so forth and in the Year of our Lord God One Thousand seven Hundred and > Ninety six > > Signed John Wharton > > Geo Banks > Richard Maddock > John Pendleton > > Ros Dunning > > -----Original Message----- > From: barbjack [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 16 October 2004 11:01 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. > WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGH > LAN,POVALL,BARLOW. > > > Dear Gordon. My Kenyon is John, in 1789 his daughter Alice married John > Dwerryhouse, at Childwall, Stanley Youds married Mary Chatterton, they had > my gt grandmother Catherine Youds who married John Wilkinson, Catherine was > born in Bidston in 1833, married John in 1858, their son my grandfather was > Samuel Wilkinson born 1876 in Birkenhead married my grandmother Harriet > Dwerryhouse in I think 1899, my mother Harriet Wilkinson married Thomas > Jackson Smith at St Anne , Stanley, Liverpool in April 1931, I was born in > 1933. that is my grandfathers line, my grandmother Harriets mother was Eliza > Jane Peacock, she married John Dwerryhouse in 1873 December , at St > Nicholas, Liverpool landing stage. her father was William Peacock and I > think not proven yet, that William may have married Catherine Coghlan 1848 > at Cork, Ireland. Povall and Barlow are intermarried with the Youds and > Wilkinson. I know that are but cannot at this stage find the dates, Barlow > was Catherine Youds (Wilkinson) sister in law who lived with her for a time > in Birkenhead. Catherine Wilkinson new Youds had a brother 2 years younger > than her named Thomas. The Youds lived at Bidston, and I am told that we are > related to Robert Youds who had the flour Mill on Bidston Hill. Any > connections that you can see ? Cheers, Barbara <New Zealand.Oh! I forgot > Wharton, I think he was Thomas, his daughter married William Youds in 1700s. > Somewhere there is a connection with the Royal family, not sure who, but it > was all hushed up and we were told as children we were not allowed to tell > anyone, as Queen Victoria was a cousin Cheers. Barbara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gordon evans" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 8:14 PM > Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. > WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN, > POVALL,BARLOW. > > > > Hi Barbara > > > > ALL of your names feature in my extended family tree. > > Can you give a few more details please? > > > > Regards > > Gordon Evans > > Wirral UK > > > > >Dear Lists. Please, please, does anyone have any connections to >these > > >names.Barbara. New Zealand. > > > > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Anybody out there related to David and Sarah (nee Gates) BLYTHE? David Born 17-11-1823 Sarah Born 1825 Tarvin, Cheshire 'The Rectory', Bidston Road, Claughton Died 27-10-1891 Died 21-11-1893 6 Lingdale Road, Claughton 6 Lingdale Road, Claughton Children: John - Born 1847 Joseph - Born 1848 George - Born 1850 George - Born 1857 Sarah - Born 1859 David Blythe was a Blacksmith, and had his forge in Claughton Village, now known locally as 'Blythe Hall', whilst Sarah was the daughter of the then Vicar of St. Oswald's C of E Parish Church, Bidston, one Joseph Gate and his wife Mary. Vivien (Hoylake, Wirral Peninsula, England, UK)

Couldn't resist a Google, well what else is there to do at 11.25pm on a Saturday night??? Thislink will take you to the list of schools that Wirral Archives holds records for. I hope it helps someone: http://www.wirral-libraries.net/archives/summary_list_of_school_records_h.htm Best wishes, Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat and Bill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 9:29 PM Subject: [BKHD-Wirral] Birkenhead Union School - Tranmere > > > Hello List, > Wondering if SKS can help me with Birkenhead Union School - Tranmere. What > kind of school ? General ? a Trade school. Any history would be most > welcomed. > I have a family member here in 1891 age 14. ( a bad boys school ? ) > Always interested, always learning. > Cheers for now, > Pat and Bill > [email protected] > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > > ============================== > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > >

Hi Anne. Nice to catch up with you again, still searching for mine. Regards, Barbara. New Zealand. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Nazari" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN, POVALL,BARLOW. > Hi To Barbara & All Birkenhead Listers, > > Most of us with ancestors from the Wirral will have several of those names > in their Family Tree. I have 5 of them: WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON & > BARLOW. > > If you let me know the particulars (names and dates) of the earliest of > these names, I may be able to help further. > Kind Regards, Anne. > > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Dear Barbara, Yes I remember contacting you, I read your mail quite often, I have placed my list in the hope of finding new contacts, my dwerryhouse is my grandmother she was Harriet Dwerryhouse, she married Samuel Wilkinson in Birkenhead I think in 1899, my gt grandfather was John Dwerryhouse who was a baker, he married Eliza Jane Peacock in 1873, at St nicholas, December 25th, my Dwerryhouse line go back to Alice Kenyon whose father was John, she married John Dwerryhouse in 1789. I think that Alice may have been born in Yorkshire, I have a note of an Alice born to a Jonas Kenyon in 1760 in ? Yorkshire. Maybe thats who it was ? Regards, Barbara, New Zealand. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. DWERRYHOUSE, > Barbara we have spoken before re Youds and Wharton, but I am interested in > your Dwerryhouse conection. I have some via my South Wales relatives. My > Tamplins came up to Yorkshire and married some Dwerryhouses, but I think > that at least one branch moved across to Liverpool. > > Have you been in contact with Paul Dwerryhouse? He has a lot of information > re the family. > > Babs > > -------Original Message------- > > From: [email protected] > Date: 10/16/04 06:03:17 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH > DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN,POVALL,BARLOW. > > Dear Lists. Please, please, does anyone have any connections to these > names.Barbara. New Zealand. > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

My understanding is that a union school was the local school; not a church school, although religion was taught. The education Act of 1880 made it compulsory for all children aged between 5-10 yrs. Children aged between 10-13 yrs had to stay on unless they passed the satisfactory standard. So it seems strange that your ancestor was still at school at the age of 14 yrs, unless he was a pupil teacher, but then it would state that on the census. A Google search for Birkenhead Union School should bring you information about the school itself. There may even be school records at the central library. Best wishes, Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat and Bill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 9:29 PM Subject: [BKHD-Wirral] Birkenhead Union School - Tranmere > > > Hello List, > Wondering if SKS can help me with Birkenhead Union School - Tranmere. What > kind of school ? General ? a Trade school. Any history would be most > welcomed. > I have a family member here in 1891 age 14. ( a bad boys school ? ) > Always interested, always learning. > Cheers for now, > Pat and Bill > [email protected] > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > > ============================== > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > >

Dear Gordon. My Kenyon is John, in 1789 his daughter Alice married John Dwerryhouse, at Childwall, Stanley Youds married Mary Chatterton, they had my gt grandmother Catherine Youds who married John Wilkinson, Catherine was born in Bidston in 1833, married John in 1858, their son my grandfather was Samuel Wilkinson born 1876 in Birkenhead married my grandmother Harriet Dwerryhouse in I think 1899, my mother Harriet Wilkinson married Thomas Jackson Smith at St Anne , Stanley, Liverpool in April 1931, I was born in 1933. that is my grandfathers line, my grandmother Harriets mother was Eliza Jane Peacock, she married John Dwerryhouse in 1873 December , at St Nicholas, Liverpool landing stage. her father was William Peacock and I think not proven yet, that William may have married Catherine Coghlan 1848 at Cork, Ireland. Povall and Barlow are intermarried with the Youds and Wilkinson. I know that are but cannot at this stage find the dates, Barlow was Catherine Youds (Wilkinson) sister in law who lived with her for a time in Birkenhead. Catherine Wilkinson new Youds had a brother 2 years younger than her named Thomas. The Youds lived at Bidston, and I am told that we are related to Robert Youds who had the flour Mill on Bidston Hill. Any connections that you can see ? Cheers, Barbara <New Zealand.Oh! I forgot Wharton, I think he was Thomas, his daughter married William Youds in 1700s. Somewhere there is a connection with the Royal family, not sure who, but it was all hushed up and we were told as children we were not allowed to tell anyone, as Queen Victoria was a cousin Cheers. Barbara. ----- Original Message ----- From: "gordon evans" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll Call. WHARTON,YOUDS,CHATTERTON,WILKINSON,SMITH,DWERRYHOUSE,PEACOCK,KENYON,COGHLAN, POVALL,BARLOW. > Hi Barbara > > ALL of your names feature in my extended family tree. > Can you give a few more details please? > > Regards > Gordon Evans > Wirral UK > > >Dear Lists. Please, please, does anyone have any connections to >these > >names.Barbara. New Zealand. > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >