Thanks Keith....so if I contacted the office I can get more information? Karen PS don't think I have ever corresponded with anyone from Malta before :)

karen, it is indeed RAKE LANE CEMETERY and does have an office on site it is in LISCARD wallasey. keith in Malta. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 2:43 AM Subject: [BKHD-Wirral] Wallasey Cemetery > Is anyone near this cemetery by chance? An Aunt says she knew it as Rake > Lane > as a kid. > My Great Grandparents are buried there. > Register of grants #2692 purchased on Oct 26, 1922 > It is in section 11 and numbered 186 > 1st interment: Sept 23, 1922 Mary Ann (Simpson) Taylor 66 years > 2nd interment: Oct 30, 1928 William Thomas Taylor 73 years > > Registered in the General Register of Private graves Vol 1 Folio 152 > > A William John Taylor is also buried there on Dec 23, 1963 aged 80 > > I will be in London for 5 days later this month and would love to be able > to > visit the graveside > > Karen > > Glendora, CA > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > > ============================== > OneWorldTree - The World's largest family tree. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13971/rd.ashx >

Hi The SKY History channel is on 582 Happy Viewing Glyn Hughes (Oxford) [email protected]

Is anyone near this cemetery by chance? An Aunt says she knew it as Rake Lane as a kid. My Great Grandparents are buried there. Register of grants #2692 purchased on Oct 26, 1922 It is in section 11 and numbered 186 1st interment: Sept 23, 1922 Mary Ann (Simpson) Taylor 66 years 2nd interment: Oct 30, 1928 William Thomas Taylor 73 years Registered in the General Register of Private graves Vol 1 Folio 152 A William John Taylor is also buried there on Dec 23, 1963 aged 80 I will be in London for 5 days later this month and would love to be able to visit the graveside Karen Glendora, CA

Mary and Helen, Thank you for your help. I have Henry's death cert he died aged 38 in September 1891 before Amy was born!! Thank you for the Hough stuff not sure about a connection as Catherine was born in Chester. I was hoping to find someone other than Alice's mother registering her birth in 1885 but at least it gave me the address of 29 Oak Tree Place I must have a look for O.T.P. when down that way. Mary is your info from Ancestry.com,if so is it worth the subscription fee,perhaps you could let me know off list? Appreciate your help Regards suzanne

I have just Google searched (I'm so inquisitive!), but it looks as though it is a business park now. Best wishes, Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Dodd" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 1:53 PM Subject: [BKHD-Wirral] REJOINING HELP PLEASE DODD & Oak Tree Place > Hello again, > Have an Alice DODD born to Catherine M.Dodd(nee HOUGH) father Henry Dodd > on 18 September 1885 > at 29 Oak Tree Place Tranmere. > She was one of their five surving children,the only one born in this > area,the others were born in Chester.last known address in Chester 44 > Pyecroft St.where both Henry and wife died in their mid thirties.In 1901 > the orphans living at 14 Lodge Lane in Port Sunlight. > Does any lister have a relative living in Oak Tree Palce in 1881? Could > you pass on their name so I can do a search of the people there. > Where abouts was it,am I right in thinking it was around St Pauls Rd. > area? > > Any Dodd's out there with Stonemasons and Blacksmiths in their 'Tree's' > with links to Chester and > Winsford areas of Cheshire? > Thanks > Suzanne > Families in CHESHIRE;- > DODD / HOUGH, DODD / CLAYWORTH > ARMSTRONG / HULSE,HULSE / BECKETT > ARMSTRONG / WYNN, ARMSTRONG / SHENTON > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > > ============================== > Search our Immigration Records and view names from multiple ports > ranging from 1500s - 1900s. Over 23 million records to view. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13967/rd.ashx >

Hello Suzanne, I have had a look at my A-Z map, and Oak Tree Place is still there. It runs parallel to New Chester Road, and on the other side of the road is the railway line. It looks like a small street, and comes off St Paul's Road, in Tranmere. It is only along the road fromPort Sunlight, and is very close to the River Mersey. If you do a Google search for Oak Tree Place, Tranmere, sometimes you are lucky and you come up with a picture of the houses there. Sorry, I can't help with your surname interests. Have you got the family in the 1901 census? Best wishes, Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Dodd" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 1:53 PM Subject: [BKHD-Wirral] REJOINING HELP PLEASE DODD & Oak Tree Place > Hello again, > Have an Alice DODD born to Catherine M.Dodd(nee HOUGH) father Henry Dodd > on 18 September 1885 > at 29 Oak Tree Place Tranmere. > She was one of their five surving children,the only one born in this > area,the others were born in Chester.last known address in Chester 44 > Pyecroft St.where both Henry and wife died in their mid thirties.In 1901 > the orphans living at 14 Lodge Lane in Port Sunlight. > Does any lister have a relative living in Oak Tree Palce in 1881? Could > you pass on their name so I can do a search of the people there. > Where abouts was it,am I right in thinking it was around St Pauls Rd. > area? > > Any Dodd's out there with Stonemasons and Blacksmiths in their 'Tree's' > with links to Chester and > Winsford areas of Cheshire? > Thanks > Suzanne > Families in CHESHIRE;- > DODD / HOUGH, DODD / CLAYWORTH > ARMSTRONG / HULSE,HULSE / BECKETT > ARMSTRONG / WYNN, ARMSTRONG / SHENTON > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > > ============================== > Search our Immigration Records and view names from multiple ports > ranging from 1500s - 1900s. Over 23 million records to view. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13967/rd.ashx >

Hello again, Have an Alice DODD born to Catherine M.Dodd(nee HOUGH) father Henry Dodd on 18 September 1885 at 29 Oak Tree Place Tranmere. She was one of their five surving children,the only one born in this area,the others were born in Chester.last known address in Chester 44 Pyecroft St.where both Henry and wife died in their mid thirties.In 1901 the orphans living at 14 Lodge Lane in Port Sunlight. Does any lister have a relative living in Oak Tree Palce in 1881? Could you pass on their name so I can do a search of the people there. Where abouts was it,am I right in thinking it was around St Pauls Rd. area? Any Dodd's out there with Stonemasons and Blacksmiths in their 'Tree's' with links to Chester and Winsford areas of Cheshire? Thanks Suzanne Families in CHESHIRE;- DODD / HOUGH, DODD / CLAYWORTH ARMSTRONG / HULSE,HULSE / BECKETT ARMSTRONG / WYNN, ARMSTRONG / SHENTON

Many thanks. I will do the same. Best wishes, Marilyn >>> [email protected] 4/11/2004 10:29:36 a.m. >>> Yes isn't it a shame we are not connected. William was born in 1896 - too young for your Aunt catherine. Margaret O'Brien/ Brien was born in Liverpool c. 1847 but I don't know her parents names as yet. If I find anything I will be in touch. Cheers Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn McHaffie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll call - Day/Burns > Hi Linda > > Amazing that we have so many names in common and maybe no > connections!...disappointing I agree. > > You did not say if the PYE names below are related. My great > aunt Catherine (b 1878 in Liverpool) married William "Billie" Pye > (? DOB and probobaly also in Liverpool)...they had children John, > Katherine, Elisabeth and Ada. But it seems unlikely that Billie > is the William on your list. > > My O'Briens also came from Ireland...unlikely we have a > connection though. Mine are John O'Brien (b 1821 in Ireland) who > married Elizabeth ? (b c1821). They had Ann in 1871 (my > ggrandmother) then Charles, Elisabeth, Ellen, James, John. Not > sure if they had an older child Margaret. Ring any bells? > > Many thanks, > Marilyn > > > > >>> [email protected] 20/10/2004 8:52:32 a.m. >>> > Hi Marilyn > > Sorry but I don't think there is a connection here despite the > names. I have > been looking through the files and can find nothing. > > I am not sure of your time frame but there were many male PYES > born in the > 1870s and80s > > Thomas 1874 > Joseph 1876 > John 1885 > Ernest -1889 > William 1896 > Richard - 1881 - grandfather > > Unfortunately I don't know as yet who the spouses were of the > rest of them > ( this winter's project!) > > No O'BRIEN connection - mine came from Ireland to Liverpool. > Margaret > O'BRIEN b 1847 married Edward MORAN > > Also no FOSTER connection either. > How disappointing! > > Thanks anyway > > Linda > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn McHaffie" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 12:55 AM > Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll call - Day/Burns > > > > Hello Linda > > > > We have a lot of common names and I wonder if we are > related. > > I will do the broad brush version first and then get into the > > detail later if need be. I have quite a lot of detail of the > > various people if it turns out we have a connection. > > > > 1. Pye connection? My grandmother was Martha Coventry (nee > > Hennessy) - her parents were John Hennessy and Catherine > > (Connor). Martha had an older sister Katherine who married a > Pye > > (Katherine became my mother Ann's adored "Auntie Katie Pye"). > > > > 2. O'Brien connection? Martha married John Coventry whose > > parents were John Coventry and Ann O'Brien - Ann was born in > > Scotland but her parents were both Irish born and they lived > in > > Kirkdale, Liverpool. > > > > 3. Foster connection? Martha had a son Joseph (my mother's > > younger brother) who married May (I think Mary originally) > Foster > > - they are both still living in Liverpool (maybe Aughton?). > > > > 4. And the strange connection between us is that my mother > Ann > > Coventry married Lawson Burns...but he was born in Glasgow > and > > then came to New Zealand as a boy so this name has to be a > red > > herring in all this lot! > > > > So what do you think? I look forward to hearing from you. > > > > Kind regards > > Marilyn (New Zealand) > > > > > > > > >>> [email protected] 16/10/2004 8:50:53 a.m. >>> > > Hello > > > > Interests: > > > > DAY - Ireland, Tranmere, Birkenhead > > BURNS - Shropshire, Birkenhead > > > > Related interests: > > PYE - mainly Liverpool, Aughton,Southport > > MORAN - Liverpool, Southport > > FOSTER - Warrington, Southport > > O'BRIEN/BRIEN - Liverpool > > > > Thanks > > > > Linda > > > > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new > > Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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Hi. Suzanne, Not sure if you have this info from the 1891 census but thought I would send it along. Still living at 44 Pyecroft Street Henry Dodd 37 Stone Mason b. Winsford, Cheshire Catherine Mary(sp) Dodd wife 37 b.Chester John Henry Dodd Son 16 Scholar b. Chester Sarah Ellen Dodd Dau. 12 Scholar b. Chester Florence Dodd Dau 8 Scholar b. Chester Alice Dodd Dau.4 Scholar b. Rock Ferry William Dodd Son 1 b. Chester 1871 Census info. CP, Long Ashton, EP Bath and Wells, Town Long Ashton, Somerset England Source RG10/2511, Reg Dist Bedminster, Sub Dist Long Ashton, ED 1e, Folio 14, Page 20 Household #90 Catherine Hough 17 b. Winsford, Cheshire is the niece of William Watts age 42 b. Flax Bourton, Somalia and Lilla Watts age 43 born Minshul, Cheshire also there is Richard Perry age 18 nephew born Winsford Cheshire. On the same page there is a Hannah C Hough age 24 working as a Servant for a Blackburn family she also born in Winsford, Cheshire On the 1901 Census it looks as though Henry and Catherine became the proud parents of another Daug. Amy age 9, William is not living with them so perhaps he passed away. All are living with John Henry Dodd borther age 26, Florence age18 Alice age 15 Also his sister Sarah Ellen age 22 now married to Stephen Evans age 23 Gen. Labour with Daughter Sarah Florence Evans age 6 months. Hope this information is of use. Mary Sue Dodd wrote: >Hello again, >Have an Alice DODD born to Catherine M.Dodd(nee HOUGH) father Henry Dodd on 18 September 1885 >at 29 Oak Tree Place Tranmere. >She was one of their five surving children,the only one born in this area,the others were born in Chester.last known address in Chester 44 Pyecroft St.where both Henry and wife died in their mid thirties.In 1901 the orphans living at 14 Lodge Lane in Port Sunlight. >Does any lister have a relative living in Oak Tree Palce in 1881? Could you pass on their name so I can do a search of the people there. >Where abouts was it,am I right in thinking it was around St Pauls Rd. area? > >Any Dodd's out there with Stonemasons and Blacksmiths in their 'Tree's' with links to Chester and >Winsford areas of Cheshire? >Thanks >Suzanne >Families in CHESHIRE;- >DODD / HOUGH, DODD / CLAYWORTH >ARMSTRONG / HULSE,HULSE / BECKETT >ARMSTRONG / WYNN, ARMSTRONG / SHENTON > > >==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== >Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > >============================== >Search our Immigration Records and view names from multiple ports >ranging from 1500s - 1900s. Over 23 million records to view. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13967/rd.ashx > > > >

Apologies to those who did not get the chance to watch The Victorian Way of Death, but it really was worth watching. I had the 'rabble' nattering in the background but what I gathered, at one particular cemetery the gang of body snatchers used a large tomb style of grave to create a series of tunnels through which they were able to drag bodies out. They only found out how it was performed when members of the gang confessed. It seemed that many bodies had been taken over a period of time by this gang. There was a good market in London for the bodies, mostly doctors, for the purpose of training in the medical universities. Any remains at the end of the day were simply discarded. Recently deceased healthy young adults were also valuable for their teeth. A good set would fetch a decent price from a dentist, as the wealthy had their dentures made from real teeth. There was actually nothing illegal about body snatching. There was a loophole in the law; the deceased were not the property of anyone. This loophole was soon closed. Another gruesome discovery was when graveyards, particularly in cities, became over full. If a coffin could not be buried deep enough, the bodies further down the dug plot were removed to make way for the new burial. This was an unprecedented problem, created by the population explosion in the cities. The next step was the municipal cemeteries, but the problem was convincing people to use them. Even if people didn't actually attend church often, it was still an important provider - parish funds, education, christenings, marriages, and of course burial in consecrated ground. I guess it was the final insurance for the after life. The municipal was not church ground. With the nattering going on in the background, I missed the name of the Royal who was buried in a public cemetery (I believe he had married a commoner and wanted to be buried with her when she died, and so could not be married at Westminster), but the effect was that it made it 'ok' to be buried away from the church. I barely saw the part about cremation, but they brought in about WWI so assume it was about that period when that was introduced. Burial history is not something that I have lay awake at night thinking about, but the program last night was certainly food for thought. Well worth watching. I'll make sure I get the TV to myself next time! Best wishes, Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] UKTV History > > Thanks for that Helen, managed to catch the "Victorian way of death", > that > was very interesting. > > We visited the old church at Kilmun on the Dunoon peninsula, Scotland > while > on holiday up there and noticed that they have displayed on the outside of > the old church wall, some heavy looking coffin shaped cast iron metal > contraptions that they used to put into coffins to deter body snatchers. > Also remember reading in one of my early 1800's Liverpool Mercury some > fuss > about an anonymous letter sent to the newspaper complaining about the > sextons > treatment of disinterred remains at St Nicholas churchyard Liverpool > causing > the newspaper to send an 'investigative" reporter to the church where of > course the Sextons pleaded innocence in the matter. > > Caryl > > [email protected] writes: > > For anyone who has access to UK History channel (100) > there are a couple of very interesting programmes tonight. > 8pm The Middle Classes: their rise and sprawl > 9pm The Victorian Way of Death > > I have watched the middle class programme before, and is a very > interesting > incite into social history. > The Victorian Way of Death is "tales of overflowing graveyards and > sinister > bodysnatchers." Far more interesting than Corri! > > Enjoy! > > Helen > > > > > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

New directories and 1861 Census available from ARCHIVE CD BOOKS Web : _http://www.archivecdbooks.org.uk_ (http://www.archivecdbooks.org.uk/) 1. Kelly's Directory of Cheshire 1923 A late and very comprehensive directory including street directories for Birkenhead and Chester 2. Kelly's Directory of Cheshire 1914 A very comprehensive directory of Cheshire, bursting full of information about the county, every place is described in depth 3. Kelly's Directory of Cheshire 1910 As with all late directories this is very comprehensive and has lots of information about each of the places, their facilities and demographics as well as lists of private residents and their trades. 4. Kelly's Directory of Cheshire 1906 Another late and comprehensive directory for Cheshire listing residents and their trades 5. Kelly's Directory of Cheshire 1896 A very comprehensive directory including, a street directory of Birkenhead and Chester 6. Slaters Directory of Cheshire 1888 An enormous directory containing a vast amount of useful information for Cheshire researchers. Amazingly it contains street by street, house by house listings (including the names and trades of residents) for the following areas, Altrincham, Chester, Dunkinfield, Hyde, Macclesfield, Sale, Stockport, Heaton Norris and District, Stalybridge and District. 1861 Cheshire census CD set. It is now almost ready and the full 12 CD county set will be released this Friday, November 5th. . They have re-introduced advance ordering on the shopping cart until the final release date so that people can take advantage of the lower price until Friday, when the final cost will rise. More details on the web page at. _http://www.rod-neep.co.uk/acatalog/chs-census.html_ (http://www.rod-neep.co.uk/acatalog/chs-census.html) Caryl List admin Birkenhead-L

Snippet from Liverpool Mercury September 15 1820 Extensive sale of farming stock, Greasby, Cheshire By James TROTTER On Thursday next, the 21st, on the premises of Mr Samuel MELLOR, in the village of Greasby, in Cheshire, about five miles from Woodside The whole of the valuable farming stock consisting of 300 bushels what, 600 do of oats, 25 tons of excellent hay, one acre potatoes, four excellent draught horses, 13 capital milch cows, 2 sterks, 4 calves, 5 pigs, 2 broad and 1 narrow wheeled carts, about 1 ton of excellent cheese, a quantity of gearing, ploughs, and Harrows, Winnowing machine, and other implements of husbandry, together with the whole of household furniture, Dairy utensils.... Caryl

Yes isn't it a shame we are not connected. William was born in 1896 - too young for your Aunt catherine. Margaret O'Brien/ Brien was born in Liverpool c. 1847 but I don't know her parents names as yet. If I find anything I will be in touch. Cheers Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn McHaffie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll call - Day/Burns > Hi Linda > > Amazing that we have so many names in common and maybe no > connections!...disappointing I agree. > > You did not say if the PYE names below are related. My great > aunt Catherine (b 1878 in Liverpool) married William "Billie" Pye > (? DOB and probobaly also in Liverpool)...they had children John, > Katherine, Elisabeth and Ada. But it seems unlikely that Billie > is the William on your list. > > My O'Briens also came from Ireland...unlikely we have a > connection though. Mine are John O'Brien (b 1821 in Ireland) who > married Elizabeth ? (b c1821). They had Ann in 1871 (my > ggrandmother) then Charles, Elisabeth, Ellen, James, John. Not > sure if they had an older child Margaret. Ring any bells? > > Many thanks, > Marilyn > > > > >>> [email protected] 20/10/2004 8:52:32 a.m. >>> > Hi Marilyn > > Sorry but I don't think there is a connection here despite the > names. I have > been looking through the files and can find nothing. > > I am not sure of your time frame but there were many male PYES > born in the > 1870s and80s > > Thomas 1874 > Joseph 1876 > John 1885 > Ernest -1889 > William 1896 > Richard - 1881 - grandfather > > Unfortunately I don't know as yet who the spouses were of the > rest of them > ( this winter's project!) > > No O'BRIEN connection - mine came from Ireland to Liverpool. > Margaret > O'BRIEN b 1847 married Edward MORAN > > Also no FOSTER connection either. > How disappointing! > > Thanks anyway > > Linda > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn McHaffie" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 12:55 AM > Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Roll call - Day/Burns > > > > Hello Linda > > > > We have a lot of common names and I wonder if we are > related. > > I will do the broad brush version first and then get into the > > detail later if need be. I have quite a lot of detail of the > > various people if it turns out we have a connection. > > > > 1. Pye connection? My grandmother was Martha Coventry (nee > > Hennessy) - her parents were John Hennessy and Catherine > > (Connor). Martha had an older sister Katherine who married a > Pye > > (Katherine became my mother Ann's adored "Auntie Katie Pye"). > > > > 2. O'Brien connection? Martha married John Coventry whose > > parents were John Coventry and Ann O'Brien - Ann was born in > > Scotland but her parents were both Irish born and they lived > in > > Kirkdale, Liverpool. > > > > 3. Foster connection? Martha had a son Joseph (my mother's > > younger brother) who married May (I think Mary originally) > Foster > > - they are both still living in Liverpool (maybe Aughton?). > > > > 4. And the strange connection between us is that my mother > Ann > > Coventry married Lawson Burns...but he was born in Glasgow > and > > then came to New Zealand as a boy so this name has to be a > red > > herring in all this lot! > > > > So what do you think? I look forward to hearing from you. > > > > Kind regards > > Marilyn (New Zealand) > > > > > > > > >>> [email protected] 16/10/2004 8:50:53 a.m. >>> > > Hello > > > > Interests: > > > > DAY - Ireland, Tranmere, Birkenhead > > BURNS - Shropshire, Birkenhead > > > > Related interests: > > PYE - mainly Liverpool, Aughton,Southport > > MORAN - Liverpool, Southport > > FOSTER - Warrington, Southport > > O'BRIEN/BRIEN - Liverpool > > > > Thanks > > > > Linda > > > > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new > > Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn > > more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > >>> [email protected] 16/10/2004 8:50:53 a.m. >>> > > Hello > > > > Interests: > > > > DAY - Ireland, Tranmere, Birkenhead > > BURNS - Shropshire, Birkenhead > > > > Related interests: > > PYE - mainly Liverpool, Aughton,Southport > > MORAN - Liverpool, Southport > > FOSTER - Warrington, Southport > > O'BRIEN/BRIEN - Liverpool > > > > Thanks > > > > Linda > > > > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new > > Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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For anyone who has access to UK History channel (100) there are a couple of very interesting programmes tonight. 8pm The Middle Classes: their rise and sprawl 9pm The Victorian Way of Death I have watched the middle class programme before, and is a very interesting incite into social history. The Victorian Way of Death is "tales of overflowing graveyards and sinister bodysnatchers." Far more interesting than Corri! Enjoy! Helen

Snippet in Liverpool Mercury Friday November 26 1819 Valuable estate and building land in Wallasey Cheshire By Thomas GREEN On Tuesday the 7th of December next at 6 o'clock in the evening at the house of Mr COOPER The Ship, in Wallasey........ Lot 1 All that close or orchard with the buildings thereon, situate on the south side of Gutter lane, in the township of Wallasey, and the county of Chester, bounded on the south-east and west sides by land of John TOBIN Esq, and containing by admeasurements, 2 rods and 2 and a half perches, statute measure Lot 2 Al that close or pasture field, called or known by the name of Wallasey, situate on the west side of New lane bounded on the south and west side by land of Robert VINER Esq and on the north by land of Mr John MEADOWS - 3 acres, 3 roods and 8 perches Lot 3 All those several closes or fields commnicating with each other, called or known by the name of the Fields under the Breck leading to Poulton in Wallasey, bounded on the north by land of John EGERTON Esq, on the south by a house and land of Mr John WOODFINE and on the west by Wallasey-pool - 2 acres, 3 perches Lot 4 All that piece or parcel of land, or allotment on Wallasey common, lately enclosed, situate on the west side of a lane leading to the Strand or shore of the Mersey and on the north side of a lane leading to the Hosesides, bounded on the west by land of Mr William DEAN - 3 acres The whole is in the occupation of Mr William GARNER of Poulton as tenant from year to year who will show the premises. Caryl

Interested in making contact with anyone who has knowledge of the surname BOUNDY in Wirral particularly those with connections to WILLIAMS. David Railton

Thanks for that Helen, managed to catch the "Victorian way of death", that was very interesting. We visited the old church at Kilmun on the Dunoon peninsula, Scotland while on holiday up there and noticed that they have displayed on the outside of the old church wall, some heavy looking coffin shaped cast iron metal contraptions that they used to put into coffins to deter body snatchers. Also remember reading in one of my early 1800's Liverpool Mercury some fuss about an anonymous letter sent to the newspaper complaining about the sextons treatment of disinterred remains at St Nicholas churchyard Liverpool causing the newspaper to send an 'investigative" reporter to the church where of course the Sextons pleaded innocence in the matter. Caryl [email protected] writes: For anyone who has access to UK History channel (100) there are a couple of very interesting programmes tonight. 8pm The Middle Classes: their rise and sprawl 9pm The Victorian Way of Death I have watched the middle class programme before, and is a very interesting incite into social history. The Victorian Way of Death is "tales of overflowing graveyards and sinister bodysnatchers." Far more interesting than Corri! Enjoy! Helen

Please Please could someone do an 1851 census look up of Richard BESWICK b about 1817 and his father Francis BESWICK Many thanks Dot