Hello from sunny and showery Portugal. Thanks to all on the list who replied, especially Wendy who put me on track with the Wirral Archive. They have found Edward Alexander SUTTON in Flaybrick cemetery in a private grave (what does that mean please?) with his wife who died in 1889 and 2 children who died in 1867 and 1869. As I have the plot number etc, is it possible to find out if there is a headstone? It is Church of England section number 3, plot 389. The third section on the right from the Tollemache road entrance and the second on the left from the Boundary Road entrance according to the information provided by the Archive. If anyone is there and would be prepared to photograph and e mail me any memorial if one exists I would be very, very grateful. Alan Alan Sutton www. <http://www.ownersinportugal.org/> ownersinportugal.org

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Alice Thanks for this. Another lister has pointed out that Flaybrick did not open until 1864 so it is possible that it was in St Oswald's or possibly St Mary's. Who would have the burial records for St Oswald's church or St Mary's for 1858? Would it be the Wirral archives? I have asked them today about Edward's son (Edward Alexander) who died in 1914 in Wallasey and is probably in Rake Lane cemetery. Thanks Alan Alan Sutton www.ownersinportugal.org -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 01 December 2004 17:31 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BKHD-Wirral] Edward Sutton- died 1858 alan it should be flaybrick hill and 1-2 mile down the road was a st oswalds church which has a small grave yard in it ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.htm l ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

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alan i am aslo doing my fiance's family tree and his father died 1952 in scotland he got fostered out so wanted to know were his parants where buried he got in touch with the local funeral director who put us in the right direction, probly like the wirral archive is something to think about alice

Hi Listers, This must be one of the most interesting and unusual research stories I have heard of and it must be most satisfying for John to have solved this one after so much time and in such an exciting manner. Good luck, Ron Leeming Hamilton New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: "john farrall" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 10:51 AM Subject: [BKHD-Wirral] Family Research - Mary BEBINGTON > Jen, > Greetings! I saw your name listed as a response to another gentleman - > named John. In November 2001, you sent me a response to query regarding my > great grandmother - Mary BEBINGTON. You sent the following: > > Hello John > > No, unfortunately I only have the 1851 for the Wirral. I too am > wanting information from the 1861. However I had a look for your Mary > Bebington on the 1851 and this came to light:- > > Thos Green, Head Married 36 Agricultural Labourer born Bebington > Hannah Green, married 40 born Stockport > Ellen Green daughter age 7 born Bebington > Robert Green son age 4 born Bebington > Thomas Green son age 2 born Bebington > John Langley stepson age 18 Agricultural labourer born Birkenhead > Ann Langley stepdaughter age 12 born Lancashire Liverpool > MARY BEBINGTON nurs(e) child age 9 months. On the line above for Ann > Langley place of birth is Lancashire Liverpool. For Mary the enumerator > has put a ditto under Lancashire and then a capital R? Not sure what that > means. > > There are only two Bebington names on the census - the other a > George is lodging in Birkenhead. > > Also what is interesting is that this family is at the same reference and > page number as your Whitehead family so must have lived very close. The > Greens are at the bottom of page 111a and top of 111b then one house > uninhabited, a Davies family and then the Whitehead family. No address as > such is given except for Bebington Township. > > I remember when I was searching the Parish Registers at Christleton I saw > an entry for a Benjamin Christleton and he was a foundling who had been > left on the blacksmith's doorstep. They had probably called him > Christleton after where he was found. I wonder if this is the case with > Mary above? > > Anyway, lots there for you to chew over - hope it is of some help although > disappointing that this Mary has no parents for you to check against. > Could be it is a different Mary but the name doesn't seem that common and > the age fits? Best of luck with that one - looks like it may be > difficult. > > Regards, > Jen > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ------------------------------- > > I sent you this to jog your memory and to give you a big THANK YOU for > your help, even though your message is several years old. I have referred > to your e-mail response many times to many people, including Antony Lambert. > A friend of mine in Kent has finally solved the mystery. Mary BEBINGTON has > been an enigma for quite some time. She married John FARRALL in 1873 and > the father's name was missing from the certificate. In 1950, she received a > congratulatory telegram and letter from King George VI on her 100th > birthday. The family records listed her birth as 6 June 1850. The letter > from Buckingham Palace mentioned her birthday on 20 June 1950. The Palace > will not send out such letters without some proof - I did not have that > proof available. > There has been lots of discussion about the term "Nurse Child", and your > example of CHRISTLETON above struck a chord. In a last ditch effort, my > friend in Kent called St Catherines Church and pleaded with them to review > thier records for June 1850. FINALLY, we found that a child had been left > on the steps of the church on 19 June 1850 (no name). She was christened > Mary BEBINGTOIN on 20 June 1850 at St Catherine. The Palace letter was the > clue. - 20 June 1850. Thanks again for your help - sometimes the search > takes a while! > > Kind regards, > > John Farrall > Burke, Virginia > > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > > ============================== > OneWorldTree - The World's largest family tree. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13971/rd.ashx >

alan it should be flaybrick hill and 1-2 mile down the road was a st oswalds church which has a small grave yard in it

I am researching the following names - BANKS : Stretton (Cheshire), Manchester (Lancs) BRADBURY : Lymm (Cheshire) BROWNBILL : St Helens (Lancs) CALLAGHAN : St Helens (Lancs), Ireland DANIELS : Bowdon (Cheshire) GABRIEL : St Helens (Lancs), Liverpool (Lancs), Dublin (Ireland) GARDNER : Dublin (Ireland) GRATWICH : Barlaston (Staffs) HIGHAM : Lymm (Cheshire), Leigh (Lancs) JOHNSON : Over Peover (Cheshire) JOHNSON : Barlaston (Staffs) JOHNS(T)ON : Wallasey (Cheshire), Birkenhead (Cheshire), Hull (East Riding), North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland), Ryton (Co. Durham) JONES : Whitchurch (Shrops) LEIGH : Lymm (Cheshire) MILLER : Lymm (Cheshire), Grappenhall (Cheshire) MOSTON/MOSSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Over Peover (Cheshire), Marthall (Cheshire) MYCOCK : Barlaston (Staffs) NORBURY : Liverpool (Lancs) PERCIVAL : Lymm (Cheshire), Antrobus (Cheshire) RICHARDSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Prescot (Lancs) TABERN : St Helens (Lancs) THOMPSON : North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland) WILLIAMSON : Cheshire WINSTANLEY : Lymm (Cheshire) WOOTTON : Barlaston (Staffs), Moddershall (Staffs), Stone (Staffs) I would be pleased to hear from anyone with similar interests. Thanks Tim

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My gggg grandfather Edward Alexander Sutton was the informant at his fathers death in October 1858 . His residence was given as 3b Dock Cottages Birkenhead. If someone has the 1861 census could they please see if he is there, and who he is there with? Many thanks Alan Sutton www. <http://www.ownersinportugal.org/> ownersinportugal.org

I am wondering where my gggg grandfather would have been buried. He died on 21st October 1858 at 3c Dock Cottages Birkenhead. Alan Sutton www. <http://www.ownersinportugal.org/> ownersinportugal.org

If anyone can find my ggg grandfather Edward Alexander SUTTON died 29th September 1914 at 8 Greencroft Road Wallasey, and was probably also buried at Rake Lane I would also be very very grateful. Alan Sutton <outbind://19/www.ownersinportugal.org> www.ownersinportugal.org Alan Sutton www. <http://www.ownersinportugal.org/> ownersinportugal.org

Jen, Greetings! I saw your name listed as a response to another gentleman - named John. In November 2001, you sent me a response to query regarding my great grandmother - Mary BEBINGTON. You sent the following: Hello John No, unfortunately I only have the 1851 for the Wirral. I too am wanting information from the 1861. However I had a look for your Mary Bebington on the 1851 and this came to light:- Thos Green, Head Married 36 Agricultural Labourer born Bebington Hannah Green, married 40 born Stockport Ellen Green daughter age 7 born Bebington Robert Green son age 4 born Bebington Thomas Green son age 2 born Bebington John Langley stepson age 18 Agricultural labourer born Birkenhead Ann Langley stepdaughter age 12 born Lancashire Liverpool MARY BEBINGTON nurs(e) child age 9 months. On the line above for Ann Langley place of birth is Lancashire Liverpool. For Mary the enumerator has put a ditto under Lancashire and then a capital R? Not sure what that means. There are only two Bebington names on the census - the other a George is lodging in Birkenhead. Also what is interesting is that this family is at the same reference and page number as your Whitehead family so must have lived very close. The Greens are at the bottom of page 111a and top of 111b then one house uninhabited, a Davies family and then the Whitehead family. No address as such is given except for Bebington Township. I remember when I was searching the Parish Registers at Christleton I saw an entry for a Benjamin Christleton and he was a foundling who had been left on the blacksmith's doorstep. They had probably called him Christleton after where he was found. I wonder if this is the case with Mary above? Anyway, lots there for you to chew over - hope it is of some help although disappointing that this Mary has no parents for you to check against. Could be it is a different Mary but the name doesn't seem that common and the age fits? Best of luck with that one - looks like it may be difficult. Regards, Jen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- I sent you this to jog your memory and to give you a big THANK YOU for your help, even though your message is several years old. I have referred to your e-mail response many times to many people, including Antony Lambert. A friend of mine in Kent has finally solved the mystery. Mary BEBINGTON has been an enigma for quite some time. She married John FARRALL in 1873 and the father's name was missing from the certificate. In 1950, she received a congratulatory telegram and letter from King George VI on her 100th birthday. The family records listed her birth as 6 June 1850. The letter from Buckingham Palace mentioned her birthday on 20 June 1950. The Palace will not send out such letters without some proof - I did not have that proof available. There has been lots of discussion about the term "Nurse Child", and your example of CHRISTLETON above struck a chord. In a last ditch effort, my friend in Kent called St Catherines Church and pleaded with them to review thier records for June 1850. FINALLY, we found that a child had been left on the steps of the church on 19 June 1850 (no name). She was christened Mary BEBINGTOIN on 20 June 1850 at St Catherine. The Palace letter was the clue. - 20 June 1850. Thanks again for your help - sometimes the search takes a while! Kind regards, John Farrall Burke, Virginia

Thank you John I have had a couple of replies and the general consensus seems to be Rake Lane. It's a good place to start anyway. If anyone is looking at burial records for Rake Lane and comes across Margaret and Elizabeth HELSBY died 1907 and 1914 I would be grateful to hear. Regards Jen --original message-- *From:* [email protected] *To:* [email protected] *Date:* Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:02:16 EST Jen They would most likely have been buried in Rake Lane, Wallasey, Cemetery. John

Jen They would most likely have been buried in Rake Lane, Wallasey, Cemetery. John

Hi List Any thoughts from anyone as to where someone who died in Bell Road Seacombe could be buried? I am looking for a Margaret HELSBY who died in 1907 who should be buried with her sister Elizabeth who died in 1914. If anyone is searching cemetery records and comes across these names I would be grateful to hear from you. Jen

I'm looking for 1861 details of John BENNETT b about 1820 in Llanfair Montgomeryshire I think. Married to Margaret ( Hughes)Several census details are different but I think must be transcriber or enumerator errors. I have what I think is the same family with him listed as Edward in 1851. I have 1871 details and 1881 the birthplace is different But I think I have that one sorted. I am hoping the 1861 may help sorting out and the I MIGHT be able to trace the births and marriage. This has been a major brick wall- I WILL GET OVER IT! Thanks Dot

I bought a very interesting book yesterday Moreton and Districts Patriots 1914-1919 by Stephen McGreal ISBN 1901231151 Stephen is a voluntary military researcher for a local radio station, specialising in the Great war (WW1) and has researched each soldier in some detail Book contains biographical info, photos, details of service, regiments, newspaper articles and more on the soldiers from this area Blurb on the back reads "The tale of a nation at war, focussing on a tranquil village, its war memorials and the servicemen from throughout Merseyside commemorated there on. The narrative skilfully combines the social aspects of a rural village with the apolyptic events of a world at war, at the time paying tribute to the regions servicement who made the supreme sacrifice in the Great War for civilisation" Stephen requests on the back page "My next project concerning the Great War will be the history of the 15th and 16th battalions of the Cheshire Regiment better known as the "Birkenhead Bantams". The members of thses battalions, originally deemed unsuitable for military service due to the lack of height, proved their worth on the battlefields of France and Flanders. I would be extrmemly grateful for information or loans of artifacts relating to these volunteers" He lists a phone number that I'll pass on to anyone who can help him Caryl

126 Smithdown Road is the street address of SEFTON GENERAL HOSPITAL. Barbara who was born there too ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Kelly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 12:26 AM Subject: [BKHD-Wirral] Alfred James Kelly (B: 1905) and Dorothy Emma Edwards (B. 1905) > > > Searching the following individuals. Alfred (b: 1905) was my uncle. Any information or help greatly appreciated. > > > Documentation Held: > > > > Birth Certificate Alfred Kelly > > Marriage Certificate Alfred James Kelly and Dorothy Edwards > > Birth Certificate Dorothy Kelly > > Birth Certificate Norman Kelly > > > > Alfred was the first son of Alfred James and Sarah Ellen Morris. He was born on the 9th of December 1905 at 101 Handel Street, Toxteth Park Liverpool. Alfred father was listed as a Merchant Seaman. Ellen was the informant. The family address was 101 Handel Street. > > > > In 1925, Alfred (Jr.), residence was 28 Fairview Place; but, in June of that year he was at Aldershot with King's Liverpool Regiment. A picture found in the trunk of William Kelly shows a young man and a woman and who could be Alfred James (Jr.) and Florence Kelly. The young man is in the uniform of "The Kings" Liverpool Regiment 7th Bn. The picture was dated November 1924 and made in Liverpool. > > > > Alfred James (age 20) married Dorothy Edwards (age 21) on the fourth of April 1926 St. Mathews Church, Toxteth Park Liverpool. His rank is listed as L/Cpl 1st. Batt. King's regiment and his address is listed as Mandora Barracks Aldershot. Dorothy Edwards was living at 74 Hill St. Toxteth Park Liverpool. > > > > Registration District: Liverpool > > Sub-District: Toxteth Park North County of Liverpool C.B > > > > No: 24 > > When/Where: 7 October 1929, 126 Smithdown Road > > Name: Dorothy > > Sex: Girl > > Father: Alfred James Kelly > > Informant: Dorothy Emma Kelly, formerly Edwards > > Occ. of Father: Ship's Cook of 20 Peel Street U.D. > > Informant: D. E. Kelly, mother, Peel Street. > > > > Norman Kelly (nephew) of Alfred believes that Alfred James may have lived until the 1950s in Liverpool. He may have been married to a Dolly (Probably Dorothy) but were separated. May have had a daughter also named Dolly (Information provided by Norman Kelly Penketh England - Oct 99). > > > > Marriage record: > > > > Kelly, Alfred J. Edwards Liverpool 8b 178 1926 2nd. qtr. (Bought - Oct 2000) > > Edwards, Dorothy, E Kelly Liverpool 8b 178 1926 2nd. qtr. > > > > Possible birth record for a daughter/son has been found (Searched 1926 - 1937): > > > > Birth 1928 3 Kelly, Dorreen Edwards W. Derby 4b 1141(Bought - Oct 2000 - no good) > > Birth 1929 4 Kelly, Doreen Edwards Liverpool 8b 289 (Bought - Apr. 2001 - no good) > > Birth 1928 2 Kelly, Norman Edwards Liverpool 8b 315 (Bought - Apr. 2001) > > > > Possible address (Alfred James Kelly): > > > > 1926 74 Hill Street (From Marriage certificate) > > 1928 70 Solay Street, Toxteth Park Central (From Birth record of Son - Norman) > > 1929 20 Peel Street (From birth certificate - Dorothy Kelly) > > > > City Directory > > > > 1955 - Kelly, Mrs. Dorothy 31 Segrim Road, Huyton > > > > Birth record: > > 1928 Birth in the Sub-district of Toxteth Park Central in the County of Liverpool C.B. > > > > No: 372 > > When: 25 March 1928, 70 Solway Street U. D. > > Name: Norman > > Sex: Boy > > Name of Father: Alfred Kelly > > Name of Mother: Dorothy Kelly formerly Edwards > > Occ. of Father: Seaman Merchant Service > > Informant: Dorothy Kelly, mother, 70 Solway Street > > > > Registration District: Liverpool > > Sub-District: Toxteth Park North County of Liverpool C.B > > > > No: 24 > > When/Where: 7 October 1929, 126 Smithdown Road > > Name: Dorothy > > Sex: Girl > > Father: Alfred James Kelly > > Informant: Dorothy Emma Kelly, formerly Edwards > > Occ. of Father: Ship's Cook of 20 Peel Street U.D. > > Informant: D. E. Kelly, mother, Peel Street. > > > > Dennis Kelly [email protected] > Ottawa Ontario Canada > Genealogy - Kelly and Dubé Families > Royal Canadian Navy (Retired) > > > ==== BIRKENHEAD Mailing List ==== > Our list Web site with links useful for Wirral genealogy > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/BIRKENHEAD-WIRRAL.html > > ============================== > OneWorldTree - The World's largest family tree. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13971/rd.ashx > >

Searching the following; A help info etc. greatly appreciated. Thank you. Descendants of Ann Page Printed: on 24 Jul 2004 1-Ann b. Abt 1839 +Richard FOX b. Abt 1838, m. Abt 1870 2-Alice FOX b. Abt 1870, Birmingham, England +Charles LEE b. Abt 1873, Birmingham, England, m. Sep Qtr. 1899 2-Walter FOX b. Abt 1873, Birmingham, England 2-Richard FOX b. Abt 1875, Birmingham, England 2-Frederick FOX b. Abt 1881, Birmingham, England 2-William FOX b. Abt 1882, Birmingham, England +Mary DURKIN , m. Jun qtr. 1897or Jun qtr 1901, Liverpool, England 3-Winifred Blanch FOX b. 11 Jul 1901, Toxteth Park, Liverpool, Lancashire, England +Charles Fulton DOWNEY b. 23 Feb 1900, Toxteth Park, Liverpool, Lancashire, England, d. 2 Jun 1946, Liverpool, Lancashire, England, m. 10 Apr 1926, Liverpool, Lancashire, England, par. Daniel Thomas DOWNEY and Sarah Ellen MORRIS 4-Winifred F. DOWNEY b. 28 Apr 1927, Liverpool, Lancashire, England 4-Rose Mary DOWNEY b. 31 Jan 1929, Toxteth Park, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Dennis Kelly [email protected] Ottawa Ontario Canada Genealogy - Kelly and Dubé Families Royal Canadian Navy (Retired)