A couple of points ... (A) I don't think William, son of old George, was married to a "Rachel" ... I don't think his wife's name was Rachel at all - that is a different woman - Weldon and I have discussed this several times and believe William was married to Elizabeth "Betsy" Lafever ..... (B) So far, my research shows their children as below - please understand, a lot of my research has been via a process of *WHO* could not or probably was not, their children - The mix of BIRDWELLs that kept moving between KY and TN in the Jackson County area does not make it easy - and they all had the same names, as you know. Children of Wm and Betsy Lafever Birdwell: 1. Jane "Jennie" (not "Windy" or "Wendy") who md William Fox - they had about 12 children ... 2. Joseph who married Elizabeth Chaffin - they had at least 12 children .... 3. Melvina who married Henderson Brown and had 7 children before she died at the early age about 30. 4. Serena - not sure , but possibly a daughter - could have married a PATE ... 5. John Harvey who married Martha Chaffin and had abt 11 children 6. Mary Ann who married Johnson Spurlock and had about 9 children Jerry