Phyllis Hindenliter might check with Barbara Mann or Weldon Birdwell for information on the Mann line in the Eliza Jane Birdwell line. The daughter of Eliza Jane Birdwell Sarah Johanna Clifford married Silas Cooper Mann. Both Barbara and Weldon might have done some research on the Mann line. The e-mail addresses for them are: Weldon Birdwell bjbii@attglobal.net Barbara and Carl Mann candbmann@aol.com. Effie