To Ed Stumpf: I checked in a book I have on the Bird Families which contains the following chapters: Chapter 1 - Andrew Bird and the New Jersey Birds Chapter 2 - The Luzerne County, PA Birds Chapter 3 - The Michigan Branch of the Bird Family Chapter 4 - The Northumberland Co., PA Birds Chapter 5 - The Sylvanus Bird Family of Knox Co., Ohio Chapter 6 - The Virginia Branch of the Bird Family I did not find the Richard or Andrew you are looking for. I did find Richard Bird son of John Bird and Rebecca Montanye. This Richard was born on Aug. 21, 1789 in Luzerne Co., PA and married Elizabeth Space who was born in 1792. Richard died on Aug. 22, 1831 and Elizabeth on Sept. 21, 1884. Richard & Elizabeth had 3 children: Sarah, Matilda and Margaret. The Andrew Bird, who with several sons moved to the Raritan Valley of Somerset County, New Jersey from Long Island, was born sometime in the middle of the 1600s (possibly between 1645 and 1650) per book by Prof. Bennett. Andrew Sr.'s wife was Mary (perhaps Mary Ewing) Known children: 1. Andrew Bird Jr. - born ca 1670 in Newtown, Queen's County, Long Island, New York 2. George Bird - born ca 1673 prob. in Newtown 3. unknown daughter born ca 1676 prob. in Newtown 4. Thomas Bird - born ca 1679 5. Elisha Bird - born ca 1682 Andrew Bird Jr. married Mary Brokaw and shortly after their marriage moved to the Raritan Valley of New Jersey. Mary was previously married to Myndert Wilson. An Andrew Bird settled in Piscataway, New Jersey in 1708. In 1710 an Andrew Bird was appointed as Assessor of Somerset County, New Jersey. Andrew Jr. died in 1723. He and Mary are believed to have had the following children: William M. Bird - born in 1703 Mary Bird - baptized Aug. 1, 1704 - Raritan Ref.Dutch Ch Catherine Bird - baptized October 25, 1704 - Raritan Ref. Ch. Borgon Bird - baptized Apr. 30, 1707 - Raritan Ref. Church Abraham Bird - baptized Aug. 2, 1710 - Raritan Reformed Ch. Sarah Bird (possibly) Andrew Bird - born ca 1702 at Raritan, New Jersey Andrew, son of Andrew Jr. and Mary (Brokaw) Bird was my ancestor. Ed, there is no index in this book, so I could have missed a mention of another Richard Bird, and if I ever notice it I will try to get back to you. The book I took this info. from is: DESCENDANTS OF ANDREW BIRD OF COLONIAL LONG ISLAND, NEW YORK by Prof. E. O. Bennett Happy hunting, Mary (Ruddell) Zollman boots@aye.net