Fellow "BIRD-scribers", Last month, a message sent to our list by Sandra Ragan / Plum Grafik was distributed to the BIRD list. For those of you who are of that line, this message will stretch the vertical capabilities of your FTM file…by taking you back yet another 35 generations. I subscribe to this list looking for the parents of my earliest known BIRD ancestor, JOHN BIRD (b. Nov 4, 1792 in Pendleton Co., VA / d. May 12, 1869 in Trivoli, Peoria Co., Ill) who married MARGARET HAYS (b. April 3, 1793 in Augusta Co., VA / d. April 19, 1871). JOHN and MARGARET had 10 children…JOHN may have had 10 kids, but I am finding it hard to believe he had any parents! I am also of the TILGHMAN (TILLMAN) line (JOHN's great grand daughter married into this line). This particular line goes back to the 2nd century BC through CHARLEMAGNE. So, if your BIRD line goes through CHARLEMAGNE, this listing will include 35 generations of grandparents you would not know about if you were content to stop with CHARLEMAGNE. The source is a 1959 book written by JAMES DAVID TILLMAN, JR. titled, "Tillman & Hamilton Family Records". This listing starts with one of the more famous people of his time and works forward to CHARLEMAGNE. Enjoy!!! 1. MARK ANTHONY (BC 83-30), married 4th, OCTAVIA, half sister of CAESAR AUGUSTUS. MARK ANTHONY later married CLEOPATRA , the Queen of Egypt, his fifth wife (your step grandmother!!!) He was a Roman statesman and general, and associate of JULIUS CAESAR. Their daughter: 2. ANTONIA, married DRUSUS, adopted son of AUGUSTUS, whose mother was LIVIA. Their son: 3. TIBERIUS CLAUDIUS DRUSUS (BC 10-54), Emperor of Rome. His daughter: 4. VENISSA (Venus Julia), married ARVIRAGUS, a Druid King, 11th son of CUNOBELINE (__-40 AD), educated in Rome by CAESAR, King of Britain, who was son of TENUSUTIUS, who was son of LUD (died BC 62), son of BELI who died BC 72 (earliest known ancestor of CHARLEMAGNE mentioned in this book). CUNOBELINE's brother, CARADOC, went to Rome in 60 A.D.. Their son: 5. MARIUS (Meric) married a daughter of BOADICEA, Queen of Iceni (died 62 AD) whose husband PROSUTAGUS left a will in 60 AD bequeathing his wealth jointly to his two daughters and the Roman Emperor, hoping to sae their inheritance. However, it was disregarded by the Roman authorities in Britain. The record of Marius is well preserved in ancient Welsh manuscripts. Iceni is now Suffolk and Norfolk counties in England. Their son: 6. COLIUS I, King of Britain in 125 AD, was educated in Rome; he died 170 AD. His daughter: 7. ATHILDIS, married MARCOMIR IV, King of Franconia (__ - 149 AD). Their son: 8. CLODIMIR IV (__-166 AD), King of the Franks, married HASILDA. Their son: 9. FAROBERT (__-186 AD) his son: 10. SUNNO (__-213 AD). His son: 11. King HILDERIC (__-253 AD). His son: 12. King BETHERUS (__-272 AD). His son: 13. King CLODIUS III (__-298 AD). His son: 14. King WALTER (__-306 AD). His son: 15. King DAGOBERT (__-317 AD). His son: 16. GENOBALD I (__-350 AD), Duke of East Franks. His son: 17. King DAGOBERT (__-379 AD). His son: 18. King CLODIUS IV (__-389 AD). His son: 19. King MARCOMIR (__-404 AD). His son: 20. PHAROMOND (__-427 AD), Duke of the Franks and King of Westphalis; his wife AGATHA (Argotta). Their son: 21. CHLODIS "The Long Haired" (__-447 AD), King of Westphalia, married BASINA. Their son: 22. MEREVEE (__-458), King of Franconia, Married VERICA. Their son: 23. CHILDERIC I (437-481) married BASINGA (sister or wife of BASIN, King of Thuringia). Their son: 24. CLOVIS "The Great" (465-511) married in 493, ST. CHLOTILDE (474-545) sister of THEODORIC, King of Austrasia, whose capital was at Metz. She led CLOVIS to embrace Christianity. Her father was CHILDERIC II, King of Bergundy, son of GRUNDIOC (__-473); her mother was AGRIPPINA. Their son: 25. CHLOTHAIRE I (__-561), sole King of France, his capital at Soisson. Married Ingonde. Their daughter: 26. BLITHILDE, married AUSBERT of Moselle. Their son: 27. ARNULF (__-598), Bishop of Metz, married ODA DE SAVOY. Their son: 28. ST. ARNULF (580-640), Bishop of Metz, married Lady DODO of Saxony. Their son: 29. ANSEGIS (Anthis)(__-685), Mayor of the Palace, married BEGGA of Brabant, daughter of PEPIN I (__-629), Mayor of the Palace. Their son: 30. PEPIN II (__-714) of Heristal, Mayor of the Palace. Married ALPAIDE (or CHALPAIDE). Their son: 31. CHARLES MARTEL "The Hammer" (689-741), King of France, married ROTRUDE ((__-724). Their son: 32. PEPIN III "The Short" (714-768), King of France, married BERTHA (BARTRADE) (__-783) daughter of CHARIBERT, Count of Laon. Their son: 33. CHARLEMAGNE (742-814), married 2nd, HILDEGARDE. He was known by many titles, including Charles the Great, King of Lombardy, Emperor of the West, etc. Their son: 34. LOUIS I "The Pious" (778-804)(to the TILGHMAN / TILLMAN line) If any my fellow 'BIRD-scribers" are interested in how the TILLMANs split from the BIRD line at this point, please let me know. The TILLMAN data base is one of the largest around. I have not seen the "CHARLEMAGNE" book mentioned in this forum last month…am curious to know where the lines do actually split. Hope you've enjoyed this genealogical romp through the dark ages!!! Kind of leaves you wandering just who BELI's parents are (see #4)(?). Tom Wilson (Boca Raton, FL)