Lisa, I don't have the films, but at ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ga/hall/census/1850/1850indx.txt I found both the Bird and the Elrod family on the same page of the 1850 census. My guess is that 7 years later, Joseph and Ora were born to families on the page - in fact to any of the families of this pages were probably not far from each other. Here are the pages with all of the Elrods and Bird in case you can get a look-up- BIRD 335B- 342B- 359A ELROD 337A-345B-349A-355A-359A Did you have any luck with the 1860 and 1870 censuses? Also, how about a county history for Hall Co.? Good luck! Karen in Michigan >From: "Lisa Hoffman" <lisa@networkonecom.com> >Subject: Joseph Bird >Hope someone can help. I am looking for the parents of Joseph Bird below, >and I have reached a dead end. I've even tried to search through census >records in Salt Lake City. > > >Joseph B. Bird born 12/6/1857 (my gggf) >m. Ora Ann Elrod born 1857 1891 > >They lived in Hall County, GA and are buried at Hopewell Methodist Church >and Yellow Creek Baptist in Murrayville, GA. > >I believe in miracles. >lisa