I have a theory that I'm going to check out, but I thought I'd see if anyone on the list already has this information and can save me some time. Here goes: There's a BIRD family living in Newark, NJ from the 1840 census on. The family consists of a widow Esther Bird, b. 1799 in New York, and sons William, James R., and Jeremiah, all born in New York. There is also what appears to be a widowed daughter-in-law, Elizabeth, with a daughter Julia Bird. I was never able to find a spouse for Esther. Recently I came across a marriage listed on the familysearch web site for Charles Marsh Bird and Esther Romaine, 25 Dec 1796, New York City. Charles appears in the New York census for 1800 and 1810, and then Esther is a widow in the NY census for 1820 and 1830. I think that these are the same family. Some other clues: James R. named a son Jasper, and there was a Jasper Romaine living near the Birds in NY; Jasper Bird named his son John Romaine Bird. Charles Marsh Bird's father was Jeremiah, the name of one of Esther's sons. Before I go crazy trying to prove this, does anyone already have evidence to prove (or disprove) this? Thanks, Judy ===== Judy Jamieson Pisano jupisano@yahoo.com "The Bird Families of New Jersey" <http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~birdnj> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/