This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GAE.2ACIB/10.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I can only go back to Michael's father , John Bieber or probably Johann( Germanic). But can help with his marriage to my cousin Anna Maria Fenstermacher and their 11 children , and several grandchildren . Please feel free to email me at mbinkley@complink.net or I can post here what you would like for the rest of those searching either way . Marsha Fenstermacher / Binkley