I believe I have found two of my connections but it is so strange to me. In the 1841 census Berkshire old Windsor Windsor Great Park one dwelling There is a Bailiff Joseph Simms age 45 Mary age 35 and my relative Ann Berti age 30 her daughter Eliza Berti age 3 and another relative Edward Haselden age 7. Are they incarcerated? Ann married Jacopo Berti in 1832 and they are a couple in 1861. He is listed as a courier from Italy naturalized in that census. Little Eliza died at the age of 5. Thanks Katy

Hi Katy A Bailiff was a Guardian or an officer of the Lord of the Manor below the rank of Steward (a water Bailiff guarded against fish poachers) A steward was like an estate manager, the bailiff/s would be his assistant/s As Ann Berti was living in the same dwelling as Joseph Simms and his wife, maybe its possible that Mary his wife was a relative of Ann's. perhaps her sister. regards MOIRA They usually worked for a large estate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katy Haselden" <yellowleggin@gmail.com> To: <berkshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 8:26 PM Subject: [BRK] HASELDEN >I believe I have found two of my connections but it is so strange to me. >In > the 1841 census Berkshire old Windsor > Windsor Great Park one dwelling There is a Bailiff Joseph Simms age 45 > Mary > age 35 and my relative Ann Berti age 30 her daughter Eliza Berti age 3 and > another relative Edward Haselden age 7. Are they incarcerated? > Ann married Jacopo Berti in 1832 and they are a couple in 1861. He is > listed as a courier from Italy naturalized in that census. > Little Eliza died at the age of 5. > Thanks > Katy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BERKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Katy and List, The bailiff in the park would be what we call an Estate Manager these days. All large estates had a bailiff. Joseph Sims would have been a relative in all probability. May be a brother-in-law. This link may be of interest http://www.thecrownestate.co.uk/ Nick On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 20:26:08 +0100, Katy Haselden <yellowleggin@gmail.com> wrote: > I believe I have found two of my connections but it is so strange to > me. In > the 1841 census Berkshire old Windsor > Windsor Great Park one dwelling There is a Bailiff Joseph Simms age 45 > Mary > age 35 and my relative Ann Berti age 30 her daughter Eliza Berti age 3 > and > another relative Edward Haselden age 7. Are they incarcerated? > Ann married Jacopo Berti in 1832 and they are a couple in 1861. He is > listed as a courier from Italy naturalized in that census. > Little Eliza died at the age of 5. > Thanks > Katy > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BERKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

Hello List, Here is another link showing how the management of an Estate may be organised. There was much variation in the inter World-Wars period. The Co-operative Wholesale Society were very big landowners immediately post WW2. The Duchy of Cornwall is probably the oldest estate in England. Scotland and Ireland had different traditions. http://www.duchyofcornwall.org/faqs.htm The term, courier is used for several different occupations where travelling is involved. I wonder what Jacopo's duties were. He could have been a diplomatic messenger. Your family sounds very interesting, Katy. Nick. On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 20:26:08 +0100, Katy Haselden <yellowleggin@gmail.com> wrote: > I believe I have found two of my connections but it is so strange to > me. In > the 1841 census Berkshire old Windsor > Windsor Great Park one dwelling There is a Bailiff Joseph Simms age 45 > Mary > age 35 and my relative Ann Berti age 30 her daughter Eliza Berti age 3 > and > another relative Edward Haselden age 7. Are they incarcerated? > Ann married Jacopo Berti in 1832 and they are a couple in 1861. He is > listed as a courier from Italy naturalized in that census. > Little Eliza died at the age of 5. > Thanks > Katy > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BERKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/