Hi again A couple of things from your post I said he was farming 20 acres in 1871 and was listed as owning just over 2 acres in the 1873 returns *not* that he owned 20 acres in 1871 Most farmers did not own the land they farmed (or at least all of it) in my experience the majority rented or leased the land for a period of time (three years often) and tried to accumulate some of their own as they went along with the profits (if there were any) My point in posting the 1871 20 acres against the 1873 2 acres was that it pointed towards the fact that he did not own the 20 acres The fact the various COPEs are listed as Publican, Licenced Victuallers etc does not necessarily mean they owned the Pubs or Inns they ran, like Farmers most I have come across rented or leased, although I have found the longer Licensees stayed in the same place the more likely they did own the building Your problem finding Robert in 1901 is that he is transcribed incorrectly as COOPER, I have added a correction which will show in the index in a couple of weeks or so Name: Robert Cooper Age: 56 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Annie Cooper Gender: Male Where born: Wallingford, Berkshire, England Civil parish: Clapcot Ecclesiastical parish: Wallingford St Mary the Virgin and All Hallows Town: Clapcot County/Island: Berkshire Country: England Registration district: Wallingford Sub-registration district: Wallingford ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 146 Piece: 1140 Folio: 17 Page Number: 23 Household Members: Name Age Robert Cooper 56 Annie Cooper 57 RG13; Piece: 1140; Folio: 17; Page: 23. The father of Robert COPE who is listed in 1871 as farming 20 acres, was also enumerated as a Publican & Farmer so its possible he owned the 2 acres and the Robert farming the 20acres owned none but rented all of his The senior Robert b1814 dies in 1901 , his son b1844 dies 1906 and neither appear to have left a will Not that a lack of a will means there was no money of course but the sums left by Robert and Ernest are sizable The question remains where did the money come from, and where were brothers Robert & Ernest in 1911? Did they go abroad and make their fortune? (or rob a bank <vbg>) The wills for Robert & Ernest would be the best bet I would say Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello Nivard > > I am indebted to you for your kind research on my behalf - very many thanks. > > You present some interesting pointers. > > I recall seeing Robert as the 'cow man on Castle estate' and cannot now seem > to find it. The castle estate would be the ruins of the former royal > Wallingford Castle off Castle Street on the edge of the town, no doubt. > > The money that Ernest left is indeed a mystery. The only plausible answer, > to my mind, is that the money came from his father, Robert? Your ref to > Robert farming 20 acres in 1871 which was reduced in the 1873 returns to > just 2 acres would suggest he sold the land and with any possible savings > after selling the public house he just might have had a sizable nest egg by > the time he died in 1901? Ernest was the first born and son. Possibly he > stood to inherit the biggest share, if not all, (his mother died in 1891) of > the estate. > > The fact we are unable to give a date to when Ernest arrived in Reading is a > complication to a possible support to a convoluted theory regarding a family > intrigue. > > I am grateful for your help. > > Kind regards > James > Queensland.

Good Morning !!!! 1861 Census in Isleworth age 26 and a sister Adeliza S. 21, William 51 and Sara 64 ???????????? Toni -----Original Message----- From: Ron & Eileen Chapman Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:21 AM To: BERKSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRK] WHITING Good morning from New Zealand, Can anyone help me to find baptisms for Martha Mary WHITING and any siblings for her, Martha was born approx 1835 Reading ,I do know there were at least 2 other siblings Parents of Martha ,William and Sarah Whiting, Thanks Eileen New Zealand ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BERKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good morning from New Zealand, Can anyone help me to find baptisms for Martha Mary WHITING and any siblings for her, Martha was born approx 1835 Reading ,I do know there were at least 2 other siblings Parents of Martha ,William and Sarah Whiting, Thanks Eileen New Zealand

Hello Nivard I am indebted to you for your kind research on my behalf - very many thanks. You present some interesting pointers. I recall seeing Robert as the 'cow man on Castle estate' and cannot now seem to find it. The castle estate would be the ruins of the former royal Wallingford Castle off Castle Street on the edge of the town, no doubt. The money that Ernest left is indeed a mystery. The only plausible answer, to my mind, is that the money came from his father, Robert? Your ref to Robert farming 20 acres in 1871 which was reduced in the 1873 returns to just 2 acres would suggest he sold the land and with any possible savings after selling the public house he just might have had a sizable nest egg by the time he died in 1901? Ernest was the first born and son. Possibly he stood to inherit the biggest share, if not all, (his mother died in 1891) of the estate. The fact we are unable to give a date to when Ernest arrived in Reading is a complication to a possible support to a convoluted theory regarding a family intrigue. I am grateful for your help. Kind regards James Queensland. I had a look around for both Robert & Ernest COPE after 1901 and apart from the Probate and death registration, found nothing No sign of either in the 1911 , no obvious Robert or Ernest COPE in either Berkshire as a whole, Reading or Wallingford Both of their parents passed away before the 1911 as you are no doubt aware Two more probate entries when searching for Reading and COPE The first is probably not connected Probate Calendars 1927 COPE Thomas of Summerfield Wigmore lane Theale near reading died 14 December 1926 Administration Worcester 22 January to Edward James Cope chemist Effects £1541 13s 6d But the Robert certainly is Probate Calendars 1928 COPE Robert of 24 Victoria road Tilehurst Reading died 27 December 1927 at Dunedin Bath road Reading Probate London 3 March to Barclays Bank limited Effects £6045 8s 7d Now assuming Robert inherited Ernests estate the year before and thats why Robert left an estimated £6045, the question is, where did Ernest get his £5400+ Ernest is a Cabinet maker in 1901 and his father is a "Cow man on Castle estate" that does not suggest a huge legacy to leave does it? Is the Reading Ernest COPE a red herring? The will(s) are far more likely to help you than the death cert Robert and Ernests father, another Robert is a Farmer of 20 acres in 1871, the 1873 returns of owners of land (of 1 acre or more) shows a Robert COPE residing at Wallingford who owns just over 2 acres In 1881 the same Robert is a licenced victualler A Publican in 1891, the a cowman in 1901 All appear to be the same man and his wife So where did the sizable fortune come from? I take it you have Roberts marriage to Annie BATT in 1869 ? If not let me know and I will send a copy Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Dear Nivard > > Well - I have to say that is a marvellous response, so quickly. All very > helpful and thanks so very much. > The age fits nicely. > > I am at a loss as to the period between 1901 (aged 30 and a lodger in > Stoke > Newington) and 1927. When, do you think, did he arrive in Reading? > > Does the address of Bath Road suggest he died in Dunedin Hospital ( as did > his brother Robert?)? I have applied for his death certificate and > hopefully > he is linked with the Copes of Wallingford. > It will be interesting to learn who were the main beneficiaries of his > estate. > > Thank you, once more. > James > Queensland. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BERKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Eileen, In 1851 Adeliza is living with her parents and a granddaughter Ellen Ann aged 3. No sign of Martha Mary. And who is the mother of the 3 year old? Martha Mary? Possible but very young. Or another daughter? Adeliza is on FreeBMD Name: Adeliza Lucy Whiting Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1839 Registration district: Reading Hope this helps, Christine -----Original Message----- From: Ron & Eileen Chapman Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 11:21 PM To: BERKSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRK] WHITING Good morning from New Zealand, Can anyone help me to find baptisms for Martha Mary WHITING and any siblings for her, Martha was born approx 1835 Reading ,I do know there were at least 2 other siblings Parents of Martha ,William and Sarah Whiting, Thanks Eileen New Zealand ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BERKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello James If it is of further use the Berkshire Burial Index has an Ernest Cope b Tilehurst St Michael 29 March 1927 age 56 Robert' s burial is in same place, 31 Dec 1927 age 52 Ernest was of 2 Victoria Rd and Robert died Dunedin Bath Rd Reading Dunedin Hospital is situated at 16 Bath Rd but I don't know if that has always been the case. Yours Vicki ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Tait" <bledisloe.1@bigpond.com> To: <berkshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [BRK] Ernest Cope- Reading Dear Nivard Well - I have to say that is a marvellous response, so quickly. All very helpful and thanks so very much. The age fits nicely. I am at a loss as to the period between 1901 (aged 30 and a lodger in Stoke Newington) and 1927. When, do you think, did he arrive in Reading? Does the address of Bath Road suggest he died in Dunedin Hospital ( as did his brother Robert?)? I have applied for his death certificate and hopefully he is linked with the Copes of Wallingford. It will be interesting to learn who were the main beneficiaries of his estate. Thank you, once more. James Queensland. -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 6:14 PM To: berkshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRK] Ernest Cope- Reading Hi James Deaths from 1866 have the age at death (as reported) in the index Which shows this Ernest was 56 years of age Name: Ernest Cope Birth Date: abt 1871 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1927 Age at Death: 56 Registration district: Reading Inferred County: Berkshire Volume: 2c Page: 597 The Probate entry shows the address you mention Probate Calendars 1927 COPE Ernest of 24 Victoria road Tielhurst Reading died 25 March 1927 at 37 Bath road Reading Probate London 1 June to Barclays Bank limited Effects £5,472 18s 1d You do not say his age in 1901 so unsure if this matches your data Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello everyone! > > My first posting with Berkshire...! > > I am not sure if anyone can help on two fronts............ ?? > > Ernest Cope was in Stoke Newington, London in the 1901 Census. I cannot > locate him in any > subsequent Census, sadly ..... BUT there is an Ernest Cope who died in > Reading in 1927. > I think this is my Ernest, as his brother Robert, who also lived in > Reading (all the dates match) > died the same year in Dunedin Hospital, Bath Street............... can > anyone confirm Ernest’s > presence in Reading for me, please? And perhaps any reference to his > brother’s circumstances etc > in Dunedin? A vigilant person on the Oxfordshire site (I am a member of > OFHS) found a mention > somewhere that Ernest died from Victoria Road (I can’t find that ref and > hate to ask) ....... > > The other matter is Ernest left a will (Ancestry) – where do I go to > secure a copy of that, > please....? > > Thank you .................. > > James > Queensland. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BERKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again I had a look around for both Robert & Ernest COPE after 1901 and apart from the Probate and death registration, found nothing No sign of either in the 1911 , no obvious Robert or Ernest COPE in either Berkshire as a whole, Reading or Wallingford Both of their parents passed away before the 1911 as you are no doubt aware Two more probate entries when searching for Reading and COPE The first is probably not connected Probate Calendars 1927 COPE Thomas of Summerfield Wigmore lane Theale near reading died 14 December 1926 Administration Worcester 22 January to Edward James Cope chemist Effects £1541 13s 6d But the Robert certainly is Probate Calendars 1928 COPE Robert of 24 Victoria road Tilehurst Reading died 27 December 1927 at Dunedin Bath road Reading Probate London 3 March to Barclays Bank limited Effects £6045 8s 7d Now assuming Robert inherited Ernests estate the year before and thats why Robert left an estimated £6045, the question is, where did Ernest get his £5400+ Ernest is a Cabinet maker in 1901 and his father is a "Cow man on Castle estate" that does not suggest a huge legacy to leave does it? Is the Reading Ernest COPE a red herring? The will(s) are far more likely to help you than the death cert Robert and Ernests father, another Robert is a Farmer of 20 acres in 1871, the 1873 returns of owners of land (of 1 acre or more) shows a Robert COPE residing at Wallingford who owns just over 2 acres In 1881 the same Robert is a licenced victualler A Publican in 1891, the a cowman in 1901 All appear to be the same man and his wife So where did the sizable fortune come from? I take it you have Roberts marriage to Annie BATT in 1869 ? If not let me know and I will send a copy Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Dear Nivard > > Well - I have to say that is a marvellous response, so quickly. All very > helpful and thanks so very much. > The age fits nicely. > > I am at a loss as to the period between 1901 (aged 30 and a lodger in Stoke > Newington) and 1927. When, do you think, did he arrive in Reading? > > Does the address of Bath Road suggest he died in Dunedin Hospital ( as did > his brother Robert?)? I have applied for his death certificate and hopefully > he is linked with the Copes of Wallingford. > It will be interesting to learn who were the main beneficiaries of his > estate. > > Thank you, once more. > James > Queensland. >

Hi Jon, No, I haven't had any time to do anymore searching yet. Cows and fencing takes priorty over genealogy at the moment. My father-in-law is suffering from dementia, and so I have to find this information. He is ok sometimes with details but it is hard. Once again, many thanks, Jenny.

Dear Nivard Well - I have to say that is a marvellous response, so quickly. All very helpful and thanks so very much. The age fits nicely. I am at a loss as to the period between 1901 (aged 30 and a lodger in Stoke Newington) and 1927. When, do you think, did he arrive in Reading? Does the address of Bath Road suggest he died in Dunedin Hospital ( as did his brother Robert?)? I have applied for his death certificate and hopefully he is linked with the Copes of Wallingford. It will be interesting to learn who were the main beneficiaries of his estate. Thank you, once more. James Queensland. -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 6:14 PM To: berkshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRK] Ernest Cope- Reading Hi James Deaths from 1866 have the age at death (as reported) in the index Which shows this Ernest was 56 years of age Name: Ernest Cope Birth Date: abt 1871 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1927 Age at Death: 56 Registration district: Reading Inferred County: Berkshire Volume: 2c Page: 597 The Probate entry shows the address you mention Probate Calendars 1927 COPE Ernest of 24 Victoria road Tielhurst Reading died 25 March 1927 at 37 Bath road Reading Probate London 1 June to Barclays Bank limited Effects £5,472 18s 1d You do not say his age in 1901 so unsure if this matches your data Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello everyone! > > My first posting with Berkshire...! > > I am not sure if anyone can help on two fronts............ ?? > > Ernest Cope was in Stoke Newington, London in the 1901 Census. I cannot > locate him in any > subsequent Census, sadly ..... BUT there is an Ernest Cope who died in > Reading in 1927. > I think this is my Ernest, as his brother Robert, who also lived in > Reading (all the dates match) > died the same year in Dunedin Hospital, Bath Street............... can > anyone confirm Ernest’s > presence in Reading for me, please? And perhaps any reference to his > brother’s circumstances etc > in Dunedin? A vigilant person on the Oxfordshire site (I am a member of > OFHS) found a mention > somewhere that Ernest died from Victoria Road (I can’t find that ref and > hate to ask) ....... > > The other matter is Ernest left a will (Ancestry) – where do I go to > secure a copy of that, > please....? > > Thank you .................. > > James > Queensland. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BERKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello everyone! My first posting with Berkshire...! I am not sure if anyone can help on two fronts............ ?? Ernest Cope was in Stoke Newington, London in the 1901 Census. I cannot locate him in any subsequent Census, sadly ..... BUT there is an Ernest Cope who died in Reading in 1927. I think this is my Ernest, as his brother Robert, who also lived in Reading (all the dates match) died the same year in Dunedin Hospital, Bath Street............... can anyone confirm Ernest’s presence in Reading for me, please? And perhaps any reference to his brother’s circumstances etc in Dunedin? A vigilant person on the Oxfordshire site (I am a member of OFHS) found a mention somewhere that Ernest died from Victoria Road (I can’t find that ref and hate to ask) ....... The other matter is Ernest left a will (Ancestry) – where do I go to secure a copy of that, please....? Thank you .................. James Queensland.

Hi List Members, Jon & Christine, I am so appreciative of your wonderful help in finding details of my husband s family. I am still astounded at the information given. Christine, William James Wicks settled in Brisbane, and the others of the south I do not know. Many thanks once again, Jenny in Aus.

Hi again Jenny, Just in case you hadn't found these yourself: >From the new style familysearch.org website: Marriage at St. Lawrence, Reading on February 29,1808: Benjamin WICKS and Mary LIDGOTT and on the old style familysearch site, children of benjamin and Mary: John: bapt 5 Feb 1809 St Mary Reading Sarah: bapt 20 Oct 1811 St Mary Reading Cornelius: 15 Sept 1816 St Mary Reading William: bapt 28 Nov 1819 St Mary Reading Mary: bapt 24 Aug 1823 St Mary Reading James: bapt 23 Oct 1825 St Mary Reading Kind regards, Jon

I omitted to give the address to obtain a copy of the will See http://www.justice.gov.uk/guidance/courts-and-tribunals/courts/probate/copies-of-grants-wills.htm Look for and download form PA1S Send to the address on the form (they do not take online or email orders) The same applies for any will 1858 onwards The fee includes a four year search and copies, if no will is found the fee is non returnable Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello everyone! > > My first posting with Berkshire...! > > I am not sure if anyone can help on two fronts............ ?? > > Ernest Cope was in Stoke Newington, London in the 1901 Census. I cannot locate him in any > subsequent Census, sadly ..... BUT there is an Ernest Cope who died in Reading in 1927. > I think this is my Ernest, as his brother Robert, who also lived in Reading (all the dates match) > died the same year in Dunedin Hospital, Bath Street............... can anyone confirm Ernest’s > presence in Reading for me, please? And perhaps any reference to his brother’s circumstances etc > in Dunedin? A vigilant person on the Oxfordshire site (I am a member of OFHS) found a mention > somewhere that Ernest died from Victoria Road (I can’t find that ref and hate to ask) ....... > > The other matter is Ernest left a will (Ancestry) – where do I go to secure a copy of that, > please....? > > Thank you .................. > > James > Queensland.

Hi James Deaths from 1866 have the age at death (as reported) in the index Which shows this Ernest was 56 years of age Name: Ernest Cope Birth Date: abt 1871 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1927 Age at Death: 56 Registration district: Reading Inferred County: Berkshire Volume: 2c Page: 597 The Probate entry shows the address you mention Probate Calendars 1927 COPE Ernest of 24 Victoria road Tielhurst Reading died 25 March 1927 at 37 Bath road Reading Probate London 1 June to Barclays Bank limited Effects £5,472 18s 1d You do not say his age in 1901 so unsure if this matches your data Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hello everyone! > > My first posting with Berkshire...! > > I am not sure if anyone can help on two fronts............ ?? > > Ernest Cope was in Stoke Newington, London in the 1901 Census. I cannot locate him in any > subsequent Census, sadly ..... BUT there is an Ernest Cope who died in Reading in 1927. > I think this is my Ernest, as his brother Robert, who also lived in Reading (all the dates match) > died the same year in Dunedin Hospital, Bath Street............... can anyone confirm Ernest’s > presence in Reading for me, please? And perhaps any reference to his brother’s circumstances etc > in Dunedin? A vigilant person on the Oxfordshire site (I am a member of OFHS) found a mention > somewhere that Ernest died from Victoria Road (I can’t find that ref and hate to ask) ....... > > The other matter is Ernest left a will (Ancestry) – where do I go to secure a copy of that, > please....? > > Thank you .................. > > James > Queensland.

Hi Jon, Many thanks for your tremdous help. The family details were great. I had some of those names on a list, but had no idea whether they were my husband's family. I am so happy. I had the details of William James marriage. He married in Brisbane, Australia, so left England at some stage. The date I have for the marriage is 17 Aug., 1912. Whether that is correct, I am not sure, but will endeavour to find out. Thanks again, Jenny in Aus.

Hi Jenny, I also found William James in 1881 and this record is free at the FamilySearch site. I did not find him in 1891 and Ancestry has a tree belonging to the "lewisfamily1177" which shows 1886 24 Jul Age: 22 Immigration arr Brisbane aboard 'Dacca' with family. Labourer. 22y The source for this says "Shipping register" but the only record to match this on Ancestry is Name: Wm J Weeks Age: 22 Birth Year: abt 1864 Place of Origin: England Ship Name: Dacca Port of Arrival: Townsville Arrival Date: 20 Jul 1886 It looks as if you need to check this record elsewhere - "TheShipsList" might help. The marriage record shows Name: William James Wicks Spouse Name: Clara Elizabeth Barker Marriage Date: 17 Aug 1912 Marriage Place: Queensland Registration Place: Queensland Registration Year: 1912 Registration Number: B012135 Page Number: 27972 I can also come up with some Australian Electoral rolls - I have never seen these before but if you want them contact me off list and I will send you the images. I have sent an outline list off list. Hope this helps, Christine -----Original Message----- From: Jenny Wicks Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 6:49 AM To: BERKSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRK] WICKS Hi Jon, Many thanks for your tremdous help. The family details were great. I had some of those names on a list, but had no idea whether they were my husband's family. I am so happy. I had the details of William James marriage. He married in Brisbane, Australia, so left England at some stage. The date I have for the marriage is 17 Aug., 1912. Whether that is correct, I am not sure, but will endeavour to find out. Thanks again, Jenny in Aus.

In a message dated 12/06/2011 17:43:04 GMT Daylight Time, wendyking37@hotmail.com writes: Paul do you post text of presentations on the web - this sounds fascinating and those of us who can't get there would love to know the answer! Dear Wendy All members of OFHS receive three copies per year of our journal, "The Oxfordshire Family Historian". All monthly meetings and computer meetings are summarised therein. In addition, our "Past meetings" webpage often - but not always - contains handouts, slides and other ephemera from the presentations given to our monthly meetings and computer meetings. Please see :- _http://www.ofhs.org.uk/met.html_ (http://www.ofhs.org.uk/met.html) Unfortunately, the presentations given to the Vale & Downland Museum event are not on our website - because whilst it was an event that we were involved with, it wasn't actually our event. Best wishes. Paul Gaskell Publicity Officer Oxfordshire Family History Society Website : _www.ofhs.org.uk_ (http://www.ofhs.org.uk)

Hi List Members, I am new to the List. Am trying to find some information on my husband's side of the family. I have very little to work with, but have spent a lot of time going through on-line Parish registers and found only a handful of WICKS entries. The only names I have are that of my husband's gr. grandfather, William James WICKS, b./chr 25th Jan., 1864, Reading, Berkshire d. 4th Nov., 1946 . Have a wife listed as Clara Elizabeth Barker, apparently married in Brisbane Australia. Any information on William James Wicks and family would be gratefully appreciated Many thanks, Jenny Wicks.

Jenny, I don't have the full package on Ancestry, but what I am able to get from the Australian marriage index on Ancestry is confirmation of a marriage between William James Wicks and Clara Elizabeth Barker, no place, no date though sorry, maybe SKS on the list would be able to confirm this info for you. best wishes, Jon

Hi again Jenny, It seems as though the date you have for your William James Wicks's is his birthdate: St Giles, Reading, Berkshire: William James Wicks baptism date: March 13,1864 Parents: William and Mary Ann Kind regards, Jon