Hi Richard Now to add to the situarion I have the young Albert Edward Yates born in 1914 in Toronto, Ontario sailing from Clyde, Scotland on the Ship Monterey arriving in New York City New York on Sep 5 1942. He is married and his wife is Mrs. D. His destination is 64 Hartley Ave Toronto, Ontario. It looks as if he is in the Canadian Army being shipped back to Canada. Further information states that he is 5'9" fair complexion, brown hair and blue eyes. I hope this is of some value to you Diane in Ontario Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard" <rgrimsdale@tesco.net> To: <berkshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [BRK] BERKSHIRE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 196 >I have his war records, i'll have to check them to see if there is any >info. > > i know he wanted his first wife to live here in the Uk, but the govenment > wouldnt allow it, 'cos of costs?? > Thats about it really. > > richard yates > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <berkshire-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <berkshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:01 AM > Subject: BERKSHIRE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 196 > > >> >> >> Please remember to cut out irrelevant text if you reply to this digest. >> Digests are available in MIME and plaintext formats. 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Re: Was my grandfather a bigamist (kat) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:05:24 +0100 >> From: "Richard" <rgrimsdale@tesco.net> >> Subject: [BRK] Was my grandfather a bigamist >> To: <berkshire@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <006801ca2307$b25a8360$d88c1d56@computer001> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> After watching WDYTYA on TV last week regarding kim catrell, I'd thought >> I > would have a look at my grandfathers marriage certificate. >> He first married a woman in Canada in 1912, and after the war did not go > back. >> I have his marriage cert. and I always presume that he got married in a > registry office due to the fact he was divorced from her. >> But on his cert. its states that he was a bachelor. this was in 1927 in > Reading. >> >> Now I know that before he married he had a daughter out of wedlock, hence > this marriage...and further down the line my father, but is their anyway > to > find out if he divorced from his first wife, probably around 1920 ish >> >> Richard >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:15:55 +0100 >> From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> >> Subject: Re: [BRK] Was my grandfather a bigamist >> To: <berkshire@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <E5D7D28EDF29483F97D4B5F73506595F@claireac3e9bca> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Hi Richard >> >> This may help >> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=53 >> >> Did the first wife die? >> >> Although you would ask why he gave bachelor if he was a widower >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> >> >> >> > After watching WDYTYA on TV last week regarding kim catrell, I'd >> > thought > I >> > would have a look at my grandfathers marriage certificate. >> > He first married a woman in Canada in 1912, and after the war did not >> > go >> > back. >> > I have his marriage cert. and I always presume that he got married in a >> > registry office due to the fact he was divorced from her. >> > But on his cert. its states that he was a bachelor. this was in 1927 in >> > Reading. >> > >> > Now I know that before he married he had a daughter out of wedlock, > hence >> > this marriage...and further down the line my father, but is their >> > anyway >> > to find out if he divorced from his first wife, probably around 1920 >> > ish >> > >> > Richard >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:41:40 +0100 >> From: Josi B <josibees@btinternet.com> >> Subject: [BRK] GRAVES =WESTLAKE >> To: BERKSHIRE@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <hl7095hfcppkfdvimn7vv1la0cdqsd0nir@4ax.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> >> >> >> A new link for me so I haven't got far >> >> 1941? Ive shoes that old! >> >> the Marriage was between Fredk J Westlake to Joan N Graves >> Groom 20 and Bride 19. >> >> >> >> much later >> >> >> Josi B >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:00:20 -0400 >> From: Bob Burns <pandb@personainternet.com> >> Subject: Re: [BRK] Was my grandfather a bigamist >> To: berkshire@rootsweb.com >> Message-ID: <E7ABD428FAE34909936AE3DFD5044401@Bob> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Richard >> >> I had a father-in-law who did much the same. He married here in Canada, >> fathered five children, then went off to another Canadian city with "the >> other woman" who he never married and had eight children, one being my > wife. >> >> >> Divorce in those days was no easy matter - you had to prove adultery - > which >> I can remember in my youth being a system (most often) of being >> "discovered", by a private detective, in a hotel/motel room in bed >> (probably fully clothed) with a person of the opposite sex. Always a >> planned set-up in my mind. >> >> The fact your grandfather never returned to Canada suggests to me that he >> just left his first wife, who likely had no idea where he was, and he > called >> himself a bachelor to make everything look OK. >> >> Yes, my father-in-law was in reality a bigamist, and I think there were a >> good many others who did something the same. >> >> I'm not sure how you find out if a divorce was carried out here in >> Canada, >> but would not hold out much hope there was one. >> >> Bob >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: berkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:berkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Richard >> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:05 AM >> To: berkshire@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [BRK] Was my grandfather a bigamist >> >> After watching WDYTYA on TV last week regarding kim catrell, I'd thought >> I >> would have a look at my grandfathers marriage certificate. >> He first married a woman in Canada in 1912, and after the war did not go >> back. >> I have his marriage cert. and I always presume that he got married in a >> registry office due to the fact he was divorced from her. >> But on his cert. its states that he was a bachelor. this was in 1927 in >> Reading. >> >> Now I know that before he married he had a daughter out of wedlock, hence >> this marriage...and further down the line my father, but is their anyway > to >> find out if he divorced from his first wife, probably around 1920 ish >> >> Richard >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BERKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:49:13 -0400 >> From: "kat" <katstubbs@wightman.ca> >> Subject: Re: [BRK] Was my grandfather a bigamist >> To: <berkshire@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <124069CD830541B9AB95D756B89896D5@midge> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> These 2 sites may prove useful; ancestry.com also has a search engine for > this topic. Please note that none of them turned up the one divorce I am > certain occurred in my family! Maybe you'll have better luck! >> www.afhs.ab.ca/data/divorces/index.html >> www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-906.008-e.htm >> >> Kat >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Richard >> To: berkshire@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:05 AM >> Subject: [BRK] Was my grandfather a bigamist >> >> >> After watching WDYTYA on TV last week regarding kim catrell, I'd >> thought > I would have a look at my grandfathers marriage certificate. >> He first married a woman in Canada in 1912, and after the war did not >> go > back. >> I have his marriage cert. and I always presume that he got married in a > registry office due to the fact he was divorced from her. >> But on his cert. its states that he was a bachelor. this was in 1927 in > Reading. >> >> Now I know that before he married he had a daughter out of wedlock, > hence this marriage...and further down the line my father, but is their > anyway to find out if he divorced from his first wife, probably around > 1920 > ish >> >> Richard >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BERKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >> We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. >> SPAMfighter has removed 41 of my spam emails to date. >> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >> >> The Professional version does not have this message >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the BERKSHIRE list administrator, send an email to >> BERKSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. >> >> To post a message to the BERKSHIRE mailing list, send an email to > BERKSHIRE@rootsweb.com. >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BERKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >> body > of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of BERKSHIRE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 196 >> ***************************************** >> >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: > 15/05/2009 06:16 >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BERKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Richard I have looked at the marriage for Albert Edward Yates and see the info you have for the marriage is correct. However I do see on ancestry.ca that Mary and young Albert E Yates who is an infant born in Canada are returning to Canada on Jan 10 1916 on the Ship Scandinavian from Liverpool England. Then on Feb 15 1929 Mary and young Albert E Yates are sailing from Southampton England arriving in Halifax on their way to Toronto where they are rejoining Albert Yates, husband and father at 9 Helena Ave Toronto, Ontario. They are on the ship Ascania. Does any of this information help you at all? Diane in Ontario Canada

I have his war records, i'll have to check them to see if there is any info. i know he wanted his first wife to live here in the Uk, but the govenment wouldnt allow it, 'cos of costs?? Thats about it really. richard yates ----- Original Message ----- From: <berkshire-request@rootsweb.com> To: <berkshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:01 AM Subject: BERKSHIRE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 196 > > > Please remember to cut out irrelevant text if you reply to this digest. > Digests are available in MIME and plaintext formats. MIME is the default for new subscribers (posts sent as attachments to a digest email) - contact list admin (Berkshire-admin@rootsweb.com) if you want plaintext. > If you want to change from plaintext to MIME you can simply unsubscribe and then subscribe. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Was my grandfather a bigamist (Richard) > 2. Re: Was my grandfather a bigamist (Nivard Ovington) > 3. GRAVES =WESTLAKE (Josi B) > 4. Re: Was my grandfather a bigamist (Bob Burns) > 5. Re: Was my grandfather a bigamist (kat) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:05:24 +0100 > From: "Richard" <rgrimsdale@tesco.net> > Subject: [BRK] Was my grandfather a bigamist > To: <berkshire@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <006801ca2307$b25a8360$d88c1d56@computer001> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > After watching WDYTYA on TV last week regarding kim catrell, I'd thought I would have a look at my grandfathers marriage certificate. > He first married a woman in Canada in 1912, and after the war did not go back. > I have his marriage cert. and I always presume that he got married in a registry office due to the fact he was divorced from her. > But on his cert. its states that he was a bachelor. this was in 1927 in Reading. > > Now I know that before he married he had a daughter out of wedlock, hence this marriage...and further down the line my father, but is their anyway to find out if he divorced from his first wife, probably around 1920 ish > > Richard > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:15:55 +0100 > From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> > Subject: Re: [BRK] Was my grandfather a bigamist > To: <berkshire@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <E5D7D28EDF29483F97D4B5F73506595F@claireac3e9bca> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Richard > > This may help > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=53 > > Did the first wife die? > > Although you would ask why he gave bachelor if he was a widower > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > After watching WDYTYA on TV last week regarding kim catrell, I'd thought I > > would have a look at my grandfathers marriage certificate. > > He first married a woman in Canada in 1912, and after the war did not go > > back. > > I have his marriage cert. and I always presume that he got married in a > > registry office due to the fact he was divorced from her. > > But on his cert. its states that he was a bachelor. this was in 1927 in > > Reading. > > > > Now I know that before he married he had a daughter out of wedlock, hence > > this marriage...and further down the line my father, but is their anyway > > to find out if he divorced from his first wife, probably around 1920 ish > > > > Richard > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:41:40 +0100 > From: Josi B <josibees@btinternet.com> > Subject: [BRK] GRAVES =WESTLAKE > To: BERKSHIRE@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <hl7095hfcppkfdvimn7vv1la0cdqsd0nir@4ax.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > > A new link for me so I haven't got far > > 1941? Ive shoes that old! > > the Marriage was between Fredk J Westlake to Joan N Graves > Groom 20 and Bride 19. > > > > much later > > > Josi B > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:00:20 -0400 > From: Bob Burns <pandb@personainternet.com> > Subject: Re: [BRK] Was my grandfather a bigamist > To: berkshire@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <E7ABD428FAE34909936AE3DFD5044401@Bob> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Richard > > I had a father-in-law who did much the same. He married here in Canada, > fathered five children, then went off to another Canadian city with "the > other woman" who he never married and had eight children, one being my wife. > > > Divorce in those days was no easy matter - you had to prove adultery - which > I can remember in my youth being a system (most often) of being > "discovered", by a private detective, in a hotel/motel room in bed > (probably fully clothed) with a person of the opposite sex. Always a > planned set-up in my mind. > > The fact your grandfather never returned to Canada suggests to me that he > just left his first wife, who likely had no idea where he was, and he called > himself a bachelor to make everything look OK. > > Yes, my father-in-law was in reality a bigamist, and I think there were a > good many others who did something the same. > > I'm not sure how you find out if a divorce was carried out here in Canada, > but would not hold out much hope there was one. > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: berkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:berkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Richard > Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:05 AM > To: berkshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BRK] Was my grandfather a bigamist > > After watching WDYTYA on TV last week regarding kim catrell, I'd thought I > would have a look at my grandfathers marriage certificate. > He first married a woman in Canada in 1912, and after the war did not go > back. > I have his marriage cert. and I always presume that he got married in a > registry office due to the fact he was divorced from her. > But on his cert. its states that he was a bachelor. this was in 1927 in > Reading. > > Now I know that before he married he had a daughter out of wedlock, hence > this marriage...and further down the line my father, but is their anyway to > find out if he divorced from his first wife, probably around 1920 ish > > Richard > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BERKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:49:13 -0400 > From: "kat" <katstubbs@wightman.ca> > Subject: Re: [BRK] Was my grandfather a bigamist > To: <berkshire@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <124069CD830541B9AB95D756B89896D5@midge> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > These 2 sites may prove useful; ancestry.com also has a search engine for this topic. Please note that none of them turned up the one divorce I am certain occurred in my family! Maybe you'll have better luck! > www.afhs.ab.ca/data/divorces/index.html > www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-906.008-e.htm > > Kat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard > To: berkshire@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:05 AM > Subject: [BRK] Was my grandfather a bigamist > > > After watching WDYTYA on TV last week regarding kim catrell, I'd thought I would have a look at my grandfathers marriage certificate. > He first married a woman in Canada in 1912, and after the war did not go back. > I have his marriage cert. and I always presume that he got married in a registry office due to the fact he was divorced from her. > But on his cert. its states that he was a bachelor. this was in 1927 in Reading. > > Now I know that before he married he had a daughter out of wedlock, hence this marriage...and further down the line my father, but is their anyway to find out if he divorced from his first wife, probably around 1920 ish > > Richard > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BERKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 41 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the BERKSHIRE list administrator, send an email to > BERKSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the BERKSHIRE mailing list, send an email to BERKSHIRE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BERKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of BERKSHIRE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 196 > ***************************************** > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 15/05/2009 06:16 > >

Thanks for all the replies. i dont think his first wife remarried i will try and talk to my uncles this weekend, and maybe my 1/2 cousin through his first wife, he still lives in canada in vancouver. info on my grandfathers first marriage Albert Edward Yates marraige to Mary Elizabeth Huntley aged 20 (born in Acton not Reading), father Walter henry. Toronto in York County married 7th Feb 1914. after the war Albert never went back to canada. so would the divorce only be granted in Canada? ----- Original Message ----- From: <berkshire-request@rootsweb.com> To: <berkshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 8:02 AM Subject: BERKSHIRE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 197 > > > Please remember to cut out irrelevant text if you reply to this digest. > Digests are available in MIME and plaintext formats. MIME is the default for new subscribers (posts sent as attachments to a digest email) - contact list admin (Berkshire-admin@rootsweb.com) if you want plaintext. > If you want to change from plaintext to MIME you can simply unsubscribe and then subscribe. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Was my grandfather a bigamist (Diane Godbout) > 2. Was my grandfather a bigamist (Chris Godfrey) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:04:54 -0400 > From: "Diane Godbout" <dvgodbout@sympatico.ca> > Subject: Re: [BRK] Was my grandfather a bigamist > To: <berkshire@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <90E86A9467B14519B6B2EA264D387124@DH73KP91> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Richard > Perhaps his first wife remarried if they were truly divorced. If you have > her name, the Ontario Canada marriage records are on ancestry.ca up to 1924. > I could take a look for you. > > Diane in Ontario Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard" <rgrimsdale@tesco.net> > To: <berkshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:05 AM > Subject: [BRK] Was my grandfather a bigamist > > > > After watching WDYTYA on TV last week regarding kim catrell, I'd thought I > > would have a look at my grandfathers marriage certificate. > > He first married a woman in Canada in 1912, and after the war did not go > > back. > > I have his marriage cert. and I always presume that he got married in a > > registry office due to the fact he was divorced from her. > > But on his cert. its states that he was a bachelor. this was in 1927 in > > Reading. > > > > Now I know that before he married he had a daughter out of wedlock, hence > > this marriage...and further down the line my father, but is their anyway > > to find out if he divorced from his first wife, probably around 1920 ish > > > > Richard > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BERKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:39:58 -0700 > From: Chris Godfrey <ty_celyn@hotmail.com> > Subject: [BRK] Was my grandfather a bigamist > To: <berkshire@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BAY104-W423DCA43BF4294FABCECC0E0FA0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Richard > > Until 1968, when former Canadian prime minister Pierre Trudeau said that "The State has no place in the bedroom of the nation," divorces were granted by a private act passed in the Parliament of Canada. Library and Archives Canada, Canadian Genealogy Centre has a free searchable database of the divorce acts published called Divorce in Canada (1841-1968). Ancestry has a similar database called "Canada Parliamentary Marriage and Divorces, 1867-1919." > Notice the difference in date range covered. http://www.ancestry.ca/search/db.aspx?dbid=5776 > Marriage falls under provincial jurisdiction and there are divorce records held by the 10 provinces and 3 territories. I am not certain that the divorce needed to be filed in the jurisdiction where the marriage occured, but that might be the place to start. More information about marriage and divorce records in the various Canadian jurisdictions can be found at Library and Archives Canada, Canadian Genealogy Centre under Births, Marriages and deaths at http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-906-e.html. > > > Hope this helps > > Chris > > > --Forwarded Message Attachment-- > From: rgrimsdale@tesco.net > To: berkshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:05:24 +0100 > Subject: [BRK] Was my grandfather a bigamist > > > After watching WDYTYA on TV last week regarding kim catrell, I'd thought I would have a look at my grandfathers marriage certificate. > He first married a woman in Canada in 1912, and after the war did not go back. > I have his marriage cert. and I always presume that he got married in a registry office due to the fact he was divorced from her. > But on his cert. its states that he was a bachelor. this was in 1927 in Reading. > > Now I know that before he married he had a daughter out of wedlock, hence this marriage...and further down the line my father, but is their anyway to find out if he divorced from his first wife, probably around 1920 ish > > Richard > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive email from all of your webmail accounts. > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671356 > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the BERKSHIRE list administrator, send an email to > BERKSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the BERKSHIRE mailing list, send an email to BERKSHIRE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BERKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of BERKSHIRE Digest, Vol 4, Issue 197 > ***************************************** > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 15/05/2009 06:16 > >

Hi Richard Perhaps his first wife remarried if they were truly divorced. If you have her name, the Ontario Canada marriage records are on ancestry.ca up to 1924. I could take a look for you. Diane in Ontario Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard" <rgrimsdale@tesco.net> To: <berkshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:05 AM Subject: [BRK] Was my grandfather a bigamist > After watching WDYTYA on TV last week regarding kim catrell, I'd thought I > would have a look at my grandfathers marriage certificate. > He first married a woman in Canada in 1912, and after the war did not go > back. > I have his marriage cert. and I always presume that he got married in a > registry office due to the fact he was divorced from her. > But on his cert. its states that he was a bachelor. this was in 1927 in > Reading. > > Now I know that before he married he had a daughter out of wedlock, hence > this marriage...and further down the line my father, but is their anyway > to find out if he divorced from his first wife, probably around 1920 ish > > Richard > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BERKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Richard Until 1968, when former Canadian prime minister Pierre Trudeau said that "The State has no place in the bedroom of the nation," divorces were granted by a private act passed in the Parliament of Canada. Library and Archives Canada, Canadian Genealogy Centre has a free searchable database of the divorce acts published called Divorce in Canada (1841-1968). Ancestry has a similar database called "Canada Parliamentary Marriage and Divorces, 1867-1919." Notice the difference in date range covered. http://www.ancestry.ca/search/db.aspx?dbid=5776 Marriage falls under provincial jurisdiction and there are divorce records held by the 10 provinces and 3 territories. I am not certain that the divorce needed to be filed in the jurisdiction where the marriage occured, but that might be the place to start. More information about marriage and divorce records in the various Canadian jurisdictions can be found at Library and Archives Canada, Canadian Genealogy Centre under Births, Marriages and deaths at http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-906-e.html. Hope this helps Chris --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: rgrimsdale@tesco.net To: berkshire@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:05:24 +0100 Subject: [BRK] Was my grandfather a bigamist After watching WDYTYA on TV last week regarding kim catrell, I'd thought I would have a look at my grandfathers marriage certificate. He first married a woman in Canada in 1912, and after the war did not go back. I have his marriage cert. and I always presume that he got married in a registry office due to the fact he was divorced from her. But on his cert. its states that he was a bachelor. this was in 1927 in Reading. Now I know that before he married he had a daughter out of wedlock, hence this marriage...and further down the line my father, but is their anyway to find out if he divorced from his first wife, probably around 1920 ish Richard _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive email from all of your webmail accounts. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671356

A new link for me so I haven't got far 1941? Ive shoes that old! the Marriage was between Fredk J Westlake to Joan N Graves Groom 20 and Bride 19. much later Josi B

These 2 sites may prove useful; ancestry.com also has a search engine for this topic. Please note that none of them turned up the one divorce I am certain occurred in my family! Maybe you'll have better luck! www.afhs.ab.ca/data/divorces/index.html www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-906.008-e.htm Kat ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard To: berkshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:05 AM Subject: [BRK] Was my grandfather a bigamist After watching WDYTYA on TV last week regarding kim catrell, I'd thought I would have a look at my grandfathers marriage certificate. He first married a woman in Canada in 1912, and after the war did not go back. I have his marriage cert. and I always presume that he got married in a registry office due to the fact he was divorced from her. But on his cert. its states that he was a bachelor. this was in 1927 in Reading. Now I know that before he married he had a daughter out of wedlock, hence this marriage...and further down the line my father, but is their anyway to find out if he divorced from his first wife, probably around 1920 ish Richard ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BERKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 41 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Richard I had a father-in-law who did much the same. He married here in Canada, fathered five children, then went off to another Canadian city with "the other woman" who he never married and had eight children, one being my wife. Divorce in those days was no easy matter - you had to prove adultery - which I can remember in my youth being a system (most often) of being "discovered", by a private detective, in a hotel/motel room in bed (probably fully clothed) with a person of the opposite sex. Always a planned set-up in my mind. The fact your grandfather never returned to Canada suggests to me that he just left his first wife, who likely had no idea where he was, and he called himself a bachelor to make everything look OK. Yes, my father-in-law was in reality a bigamist, and I think there were a good many others who did something the same. I'm not sure how you find out if a divorce was carried out here in Canada, but would not hold out much hope there was one. Bob -----Original Message----- From: berkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:berkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Richard Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:05 AM To: berkshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRK] Was my grandfather a bigamist After watching WDYTYA on TV last week regarding kim catrell, I'd thought I would have a look at my grandfathers marriage certificate. He first married a woman in Canada in 1912, and after the war did not go back. I have his marriage cert. and I always presume that he got married in a registry office due to the fact he was divorced from her. But on his cert. its states that he was a bachelor. this was in 1927 in Reading. Now I know that before he married he had a daughter out of wedlock, hence this marriage...and further down the line my father, but is their anyway to find out if he divorced from his first wife, probably around 1920 ish Richard ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BERKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Richard This may help http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=53 Did the first wife die? Although you would ask why he gave bachelor if he was a widower Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > After watching WDYTYA on TV last week regarding kim catrell, I'd thought I > would have a look at my grandfathers marriage certificate. > He first married a woman in Canada in 1912, and after the war did not go > back. > I have his marriage cert. and I always presume that he got married in a > registry office due to the fact he was divorced from her. > But on his cert. its states that he was a bachelor. this was in 1927 in > Reading. > > Now I know that before he married he had a daughter out of wedlock, hence > this marriage...and further down the line my father, but is their anyway > to find out if he divorced from his first wife, probably around 1920 ish > > Richard

After watching WDYTYA on TV last week regarding kim catrell, I'd thought I would have a look at my grandfathers marriage certificate. He first married a woman in Canada in 1912, and after the war did not go back. I have his marriage cert. and I always presume that he got married in a registry office due to the fact he was divorced from her. But on his cert. its states that he was a bachelor. this was in 1927 in Reading. Now I know that before he married he had a daughter out of wedlock, hence this marriage...and further down the line my father, but is their anyway to find out if he divorced from his first wife, probably around 1920 ish Richard

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Do any of you recognize the BILLINGTON / LAWRENCE family detailed below. I have a lot on their Lawrence ancestry. " James William BILLINGTON was born about 1862. Emily LAWRENCE was born in Inkpen, Berks, about 1874. On July 22nd., 1902 in Inkpen, Berks, Emily 28 married James William Billington 40, widower, farmer of Abbotswood Farm, Bromham, Wilts. James, a farmer, died at Atherton Crescent, Eddington, on January 10th., 1936 and he was buried in Hungerford; Emily was buried in Hungerford in 1961. James and Emily had five sons: Lawrence, Ken, Dick, Cyril and Arnold. " Best wishes. Peter Ferreira Toronto, Canada.

Dear Beverley, I don't know too much about my Green connection because my cousin has done the research on that family. I have it all on disk, but haven't looked at it for some time, so if you give me a few days/weeks, I'll get the disk out and give you an idea as to how my other families link in with Rev. Robert Green. Some time back my cousin gave me a list of the clergy that we descend from, so that I could search the web for anything relating to them. Whilst cleaning up my many notes, I found that Rev. Green had a plaque in the Uffington church, so that spurred me on to seek a photo of it. It was nearly an impossible task because it is so high up on the wall, but a kind lady did her best for me, and I have a photo and transcription of it. Beryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "beverley anne smith" <jm.ba.smith@talktalk.net> To: <berkshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [BRK] inscription in church

Newbury had a town gaol for sentences of a few days but any long term prisoners would be sent (initially) to Reading Gaol. Phil -----Original Message----- From: berkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:berkshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sandra howell Sent: 05 August 2009 12:55 To: berkshire info Subject: [BRK] Prisioners in 1861 Census Hello to All, I have a ancestor who was sentenced to jail in 1858 at Newbury for 7 years, he was transported to Australia in 1863 would he have been included in the 1861 census and if so where would I find it, I have already searched Ancestry 1861 census and I cant find any record for him,his name is George Cook born 1832c in Berkshire.   Sandra ____________________________________________________________________________ ______ Find local businesses and services in your area with Yahoo!7 Local. Get started: http://local.yahoo.com.au ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BERKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good morning Beryl Thankyou for your answer there is no hurry I have a lot I need to follow up and answer there is never enough time in the day so I understand fully. Thankyou I do appreciate it though Regards Beverley ----- Original Message ----- From: "BIGPOND" <gandb33@bigpond.com> To: <berkshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [BRK] inscription in church > Dear Beverley, > > I don't know too much about my Green connection because my cousin has done > the research on that family. > > I have it all on disk, but haven't looked at it for some time, so if you > give me a few days/weeks, I'll get the disk out and give you an idea as to > how my other families link in with Rev. Robert Green. Some time back my > cousin gave me a list of the clergy that we descend from, so that I could > search the web for anything relating to them. Whilst cleaning up my many > notes, I found that Rev. Green had a plaque in the Uffington church, so > that > spurred me on to seek a photo of it. > > It was nearly an impossible task because it is so high up on the wall, but > a > kind lady did her best for me, and I have a photo and transcription of it. > > Beryl > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "beverley anne smith" <jm.ba.smith@talktalk.net> > To: <berkshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:50 PM > Subject: Re: [BRK] inscription in church > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BERKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.45/2284 - Release Date: 08/05/09 18:23:00

Hi All,   Some of you have probably recieved an email virus warning from a friend! Telling you of not opening an email stating someone has sent you a greeting card from Hallmark!   I know this has circulated before, BUT, I have really checked this out, and Microsoft and Symantec have both warned that there is an element of truth in the warning! The virus cannot burn your hard drive, but can insert a nasty virus under various names, which are a beggar to remove!   In short, don't download the file, as it is in this that the virus is carried and when you unzip, it is too late! I am a computer tech, and know we get so many warnings but there is a danger in this one.   Most anti virus programmes which scan your emails before you download attachments, will normally pick this threat up. So keep your anti virus updated!   Best wishes,   Den

According to research, there is a mural monument in the south transept of Uffington Church, erected in 1703 to Rev Robert Green, minister of this church for 42 years who died in 1699. This is one of several of my ancestors who were clergymen. Is there any kind person living in or near Uffington who could investigate this for me, and if found, send a photograph. I live in Australia and would be very grateful for any help. Thanks. Beryl in Australia

Hi Sandra Yes he *should* be enumerated Many institutions were enumerated as initials only Try a search for his birth year +/- 2 years with County of Birth and Inmate as relationship to head of household, no other details (no name etc) See what comes up, broaden the age if necessary Don't expect to find him in Newbury though, he may be on a hulk or in prison elsewhere Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) Hello to All, I have a ancestor who was sentenced to jail in 1858 at Newbury for 7 years, he was transported to Australia in 1863 would he have been included in the 1861 census and if so where would I find it, I have already searched Ancestry 1861 census and I cant find any record for him,his name is George Cook born 1832c in Berkshire. Sandra

Good morning Beryl I am interested in the surname Green as our Matthews especially married Green's we have a number of them. Also looking for a Rose Green who married a George Matthews in Hamstead Marshall 1796 Regards Beverley ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Whatson" <gandb33@bigpond.com> To: <BERKSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:53 AM Subject: [BRK] inscription in church > According to research, there is a mural monument in the south transept of > Uffington Church, erected in 1703 to > > Rev Robert Green, minister of this church for 42 years who died in 1699. > > > > This is one of several of my ancestors who were clergymen. Is there any > kind > person living in or near Uffington who could investigate this for me, and > if > found, send a photograph. I live in Australia and would be very grateful > for > any help. Thanks. > > > > Beryl in Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BERKSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.44/2283 - Release Date: 08/05/09 05:57:00