John T and Behymer group <A HREF="http://www.iigs.org/newsletter/9904news/ethics.htm.en">Click here: Restoring Ethics to Genealogy </A> After reading the above Article in the Net, I feel we are doing a great injustice to our website on the Beckelhymers. I know I have gone over this before and I know you will not like what I say about this, but remember, I do have my principals and for what it is worth, I have to state what I think. I would like to make a suggestion, which might solve your wanting to put all the Behymers, including the ones we don't know who their parents are, on the same site, but separate. You can then give in their report as to who you think they belong to when you type up a separate sheet for them, and indicate there is not proof at this present time. You would then be able to keep them in the same website as Johan Yeri Becktelhymer, better known as Johan Becktelhymer, the elder. As for Johan George Becktel, on the ship Mortonhouse - I have to remind you that the Mennoiute group claim him as a Becktel. (not a Becktelhymer). This should be checked out. Matter of fact, I will check with the German Association in Burbank, and see if they can come up with anything. Now, everyone, if I am still giving you the same repeated reminder, as I have often done, and you wish.....I will retreat from the group. I don't want a confrontation, but I also don't want people added to John and Barbara's family without proof. This is my family, and apparently I am the only one working on it. This reminds me of a skit I ran across.... If GH can stand for P as in Hiccough If OUGH stands for O as in Dough If PHTH stands for T as in Phthsis If EIGH stands for A as in Neighbour If TTE stands for T as in Gazette If EAU stands for O as in Plateau /// Then the right way to spell Potato should be GHOUGHPHTHEIGHTTEEAU. Do you think this would stand up in a Court of Law being a logical conclusion? Sorry, John, you may feel like telling me off, but I thought the website was for all of us, and this time I cannot stand back and watch you take all the information I sent you and make conclusions at/or when you want to. Sallye