Rick: Regarding comment 1): The only reason that all of the sources haven't been included at this point is that this is a work in progress. I felt that it was more important to get the information out there first. I still have man-months more work ahead of me to just finish documenting some of the other lines (through Nathaniel, Samuel, Joseph, etc.). Once this is done, I plan on going back to insert the missing source references. Regarding comment 2): Please be specific. I have added disclaimers where I thought appropriate on the web page. I would be happy to add others to make sections of it clearer. BTW: it is not that I am in a hurry to resolve conflicting data, rather, to point out these conflicts, so as to guide other researchers on where more work needs to be done. Also, in the interest of my time, it is much easier for me to tie everyone together in the database (with appropriate disclaimers) as I can automatically generate the descendancy narrative using my genealogy software program. I don't think many of the members of this mailing list appreciate how much of my time I have put into this project (I know Sallye does, however). Regarding comment 3): Correct me if I am wrong, Sallye, but I do not believe that the data you have provided me, that I have added to my web page, was done so without your permission. I also don't believe that your E-mail was intended to send the message that I had plagiarized your work, without giving you due credit. If it was, then I would be happy to add a list of acknowledgements, however. Back when I suggested that we have a repository of information on the web, you whole-heartedly agreed that that was a good idea. Regarding comment 4): As long as we keep to a discussion of genealogy and don't personalize the discussion, I don't think any of us will steer too far astray. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com -----Original Message----- From: Rick Phillips <Edwin-P@worldnet.att.net> To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com <BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 8:10 PM Subject: Re: Ethics and Plagiarism >I want to also respond with my opinion on this subject. I read the >article on "Restoring Ethics in Genealogy" that Sallye referenced. I >agree with it. I do think we have to be very careful about how to >interpret information on a website and how to present research on one. >Here are some thoughts: > >1. John has been more diligent than 95% of genealogy webpage authors by >adding sources to much of the data presented. It is an important >example for all of us to follow. I applaud him for this. > >2. John, I do think that you seem occasionally in a hurry to resolve >genealogical quandries. I agree with others that it is best to separate >fact or strong-evidence from speculation ON THE WEBPAGE, and be a bit >more cautious. However, I think your speculations are very helpful on >the mailing list and can be quite refreshing. I can't tell you how many >times I have made legitimate breakthroughs over the years by rethinking >things from new perspectives. > >3. I believe that we should give great respect for the primary source >research contributions that John, Sallye, John P. and all the others >have shared on this mailing list. This requires that we only use the >information as it was intended by the sender, and that we give credit >for it. > >4. Finally, let's all remember that we all share the same goal, to find >our common roots. We each contribute to that goal in our own way with >our own styles and gifts. This has been a very hard-working group with >significant years of research behind it. I hope that we continue to keep >one another in check if we are too extreme, but that we also continue to >work and talk together in the spirit of our common goal. This doesn't >have to be so stressful, it should be fun! As far as I can surmise, we >are nearly all related to each other (Lets continue to find out how). > >Rick Phillips > > > >>SalGundy@aol.com wrote: >> >> John T and Behymer group >> >> <A HREF="http://www.iigs.org/newsletter/9904news/ethics.htm.en">Click here: >> Restoring Ethics to Genealogy >> </A> >> >> After reading the above Article in the Net, I feel we are doing a >> great injustice to our website on the Beckelhymers. I know I >> have gone over this before and I know you will not like what I >> say about this, but remember, I do have my principals and for >> what it is worth, I have to state what I think. >> >> I would like to make a suggestion, which might solve your >> wanting to put all the Behymers, including the ones we >> don't know who their parents are, on the same site, but >> separate. You can then give in their report as to who >> you think they belong to when you type up a separate sheet >> for them, and indicate there is not proof at this present time. >> You would then be able to keep them in the same website as >> Johan Yeri Becktelhymer, better known as Johan Becktelhymer, >> the elder. >> >> As for Johan George Becktel, on the ship Mortonhouse - I >> have to remind you that the Mennoiute group claim him as >> a Becktel. (not a Becktelhymer). This should be checked >> out. Matter of fact, I will check with the German Association >> in Burbank, and see if they can come up with anything. >> >> Now, everyone, if I am still giving you the same repeated >> reminder, as I have often done, and you wish.....I will retreat >> from the group. I don't want a confrontation, but I also >> don't want people added to John and Barbara's family without >> proof. This is my family, and apparently I am the only one working >> on it. >> >> This reminds me of a skit I ran across.... >> >> If GH can stand for P as in Hiccough >> If OUGH stands for O as in Dough >> If PHTH stands for T as in Phthsis >> If EIGH stands for A as in Neighbour >> If TTE stands for T as in Gazette >> If EAU stands for O as in Plateau >> /// Then the right way to spell Potato should be >> GHOUGHPHTHEIGHTTEEAU. >> >> Do you think this would stand up in a Court of Law >> being a logical conclusion? >> >> Sorry, John, you may feel like telling me off, but I >> thought the website was for all of us, and this time >> I cannot stand back and watch you take all the >> information I sent you and make conclusions at/or >> when you want to. >> >> Sallye >> >> >> >> ==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== >> Behymer website: The Gerald Behymer Family Home Page >> http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/b/e/h/Gerald-I-Behymer/index.html >> Thanks, Gerald! > > >==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== >What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other >name would smell as sweet--Shakespeare >Behymer, Beckelhymer, Picklesimer, Hymer, Buclehymer > >