It is great to see so much research/review etc. being done! Here is my attempt to identify the sons of John/Johan/Jonathan Assumptions: 1. I assume that all of men who went early to Clermont CO. were of the same line of Beckelshimers, ie. of John and Eliz., rather than of Abraham or Jacob. 2. Those men traditionally identified with John and Eliz. were either sons, or grandsons by John and Barbara. 3. Children of John, b. 1754, could have been born as early as 1775 or so if he had an early wife, and born by wife Barbara by about 1780. Sons of John and Elizabeth: 1. John, b. 1754. His connection is already documented. He was a half brother to the others, although he might have had a full sister or two. 2. Samuel, b. 1763. He is listed in land transactions as son of John and Eliz. 3. Joseph, b ca 1768-1770, he mar. in 1793. He is too old to be a son of John Jr. 4. Nathaniel, b. 1772, mentioned in many sources as a brother of Samuel. He is also too old to be son of John Jr. 5. David, b. say 1775. He is listed in land records in VA in 1800. 6. Jacob, b. 1777-78. He could be the oldest son of John Jr, but is most often mentioned as a brother to Samuel and Nathaniel. 7. Daniel, b. between 1780-1790, according to 1830 census. He also could be a son of John Jr. The name Daniel is prominent with John Jr's descendents. 8. Enos/Enoch. He was in Clermont early. He could have been born anywhere from 1760-1785. 9. Jonathan, b. 31 Dec 1787. The following children, I believe, are the sons of John Jr. and Barbara: Solomon, b. 1781. He is placed in "Clermont CO. OH", 1980 as the son of John Jr. on pg. 97. He is also listed as a son of John [Jr] and "Sarah A" in the IGI and Ancestral Files at LDS. Aaron's diary has him as a brother of Joel and Martin. His emigration pattern suggests that he was not moving with Samuel, or the others who came to Clermont early. He could certainly be a son of John and Eliz. but I think it more likely that he is a son of John Jr. Joel, b. 1789. He was placed as the son of John Jr. in the History of Clermont, pg. 442, in the biography of Michael Behymer. Ditto for the IGI. Aaron's diary puts him as brother to Solomon and Martin. Martin, b. ca 1794. He is clearly a son of John Jr. John , mar. Charity Harger another son could be Levi, who mar. Esther Frans. Please give your opinions. Rick Phillips Edwin-P@worldnet.att.net