I would like to hear some discussion on this list re: the wife of John, Sr being Elizabeth Rinker. As far as I can tell, the only source for this surname is from the IGI and it is unverified and propagating like kudzu! I most confess that I have helped to propagate this "fact" as well. John Wayne and John Walter Picklesimer make a pretty convincing argument that the Anne and Elizabeth who show up in various Virginia records as the wife of John, Sr are, in fact, one and the same person. What does the list say to this? Shall we toss out Rinker, or can someone "show us the beef"? Are Anne and Elizabeth the same person, and while I am on this topic, are Barbara Wettil/Wadle/etc, wife of John, Jr and Sarah one and the same person? John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com