Rick: Regarding your first point, I agree with you with the exception of Moses, Aaron and William (who lived in Washington and Monroe townships) and whom I believe to be children of Jacob, Jr, son of Araham, Sr. All of the other Behymers in Clermont County seem to descend from John, Sr. Which land transaction lists Samuel's parents as John and Elizabeth? I am leaning towards Daniel as being a son of John, Jr. Do you believe Enos and Enoch are one and the same person? When I update the new Behymer web site, should we show them as two (or one) and as a son(s) of John, Sr or John, Jr? Regarding Solomon, I vote for John, Sr as the father based on the Clermont Courier 1893 newpaper article and p 431 from Everts History of Clermont, both of which name Solomon as a brother to John, Jr, and not a son. Aaron's diary has some errors, which is to be expected, given that it was written many years after the events took place. If you read p 431 of Everts carefully, you will find that Joel is not listed as the son of John, Jr, rather he is mentioned just after the 4th brother (Solomon) is mentioned with no indication of relationship. I infer based on the placement in the article, that Joel was the 5th brother. This is consistent with Aaron's diary, if you agree with me that Solomon was a brother of John, Jr. Aaron clearly got it wrong with Martin, as he (as well as his brother, Levi) are known through land transactions, to have been sons of John, Jr and not John, Sr. I believe the John who married Charity Harger ended up in Fulton County, IL after a stint in Indiana and is a son of John, Jr, as well. There is some confusion over his wife's surname, however. In Franklin County, VA, where they were married she is listed as Charity Harger. In the Fulton County, Illinois records (the Howard Cemetery where she was buried, e.g.) she is listed as Anne. Were Charity and Anne one and the same person, i.e. Charity Anne Harger? Also Sallye Gundy has some conflicting data that indicates that she wasn't Charity Harger, at all, but Anna Henry or Anna Hunter, instead. Comments? John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com ---------- > From: Rick Phillips <Edwin-P@worldnet.att.net> > To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Sons of John Sr. > Date: Saturday, September 26, 1998 9:45 AM > > It is great to see so much research/review etc. being done! > > > Here is my attempt to identify the sons of John/Johan/Jonathan > Assumptions: > > 1. I assume that all of men who went early to Clermont CO. were of the > same line of Beckelshimers, ie. of John and Eliz., rather than of > Abraham or Jacob. > > 2. Those men traditionally identified with John and Eliz. were either > sons, or grandsons by John and Barbara. > > 3. Children of John, b. 1754, could have been born as early as 1775 or > so if he had an early wife, and born by wife Barbara by about 1780. > > Sons of John and Elizabeth: > > 1. John, b. 1754. His connection is already documented. He was a half > brother to the others, although he might have had a full sister or two. > > 2. Samuel, b. 1763. He is listed in land transactions as son of John > and Eliz. > > 3. Joseph, b ca 1768-1770, he mar. in 1793. He is too old to be a son > of John Jr. > > 4. Nathaniel, b. 1772, mentioned in many sources as a brother of > Samuel. He is also too old to be son of John Jr. > > 5. David, b. say 1775. He is listed in land records in VA in 1800. > > 6. Jacob, b. 1777-78. He could be the oldest son of John Jr, but is > most often mentioned as a brother to Samuel and Nathaniel. > > 7. Daniel, b. between 1780-1790, according to 1830 census. He also could > be a son of John Jr. The name Daniel is prominent with John Jr's > descendents. > > 8. Enos/Enoch. He was in Clermont early. He could have been born > anywhere from 1760-1785. > > 9. Jonathan, b. 31 Dec 1787. > > > The following children, I believe, are the sons of John Jr. and Barbara: > > Solomon, b. 1781. He is placed in "Clermont CO. OH", 1980 as the son of > John Jr. on pg. 97. He is also listed as a son of John [Jr] and "Sarah > A" in the IGI and Ancestral Files at LDS. Aaron's diary has him as a > brother of Joel and Martin. His emigration pattern suggests that he was > not moving with Samuel, or the others who came to Clermont early. He > could certainly be a son of John and Eliz. but I think it more likely > that he is a son of John Jr. > > > Joel, b. 1789. He was placed as the son of John Jr. in the History of > Clermont, pg. 442, in the biography of Michael Behymer. Ditto for the > IGI. Aaron's diary puts him as brother to Solomon and Martin. > > Martin, b. ca 1794. He is clearly a son of John Jr. > > John , mar. Charity Harger > > another son could be Levi, who mar. Esther Frans. > > > Please give your opinions. > > > Rick Phillips > Edwin-P@worldnet.att.net >