John, in spite of your observations, I, for one, still think that Jacob, Daniel and Joel’s parents are somewhat a mystery. In the case of Jacob, he is shown as being born in 1777-8 in the 1840, 1850, 1860 census records, with only the 1830 records contradicting this. If he didn’t migrate to OH until June of 1810, then the 1810 census in VA also records his age properly. This being the case, he is virtually too old to be a son of Barbara, as she was born in 1764. This doesn’t preclude John Jr. (b. 1754) from having an earlier wife, but we have no evidence of this so far. It is possible that John Jr’s son Levi was born in the 1780’s. This narrows the gap between the older and younger known children. It is quite possible that there are other children born who died young. There are also potential daughters that we have yet to identify. If John Sr. is typical of widowers in his time, I think it very likely that he would re-marry very soon after the death of a wife. For example, if Nathaniel is the youngest child of John Sr. and Anna born ca. 1772-3, then John Sr. would not wait until 1780 to re-marry, as he would want a "mother" to raise and care for young Nathaniel . The fact that we have confirmation of 3 wives for John Sr. makes it much easier to place so many sons as children of one man and not break them into a two generations. [We now have to add an additional son Abraham as well!]. The 1785 Botetourt Co. VA enumeration of family heads in Captain John Lewis District has the following entries: John Pickelsimon: 12 white persons in one dwelling. John Picklesimon, Jr. 5 white persons in 1 dwelling. Abraham Picklesimon, 10 white persons, 2 dwellings. Given this, John Sr. had 10 children (not incl. John Jr.- who makes 11) alive at the time. John Jr. must have had 3 children by this time ( John Jr.’s known children were: John, b. 1781; Sophia b. 1783; and ???). I have gone back and forth on this mystery often. I am currently leaning towards John Sr. as the father, since both Aaron’s Diary and the Clermont Currier Article have Samuel linked with Jacob as a brother. Although there are inaccuracies in Aaron’s diary, he would have known Jacob personally and it seems somewhat unlikely that he would mistake this relationship, while being correct about his relationship to those who remained in Virginia that he never met. I am not entirely comfortable with either hypothesis until we have more compelling evidence. I will be very happy when (and if) this matter is resolved. I can’t tell you how many times I have moved these gentlemen around in my database! My vote is to keep your Descendancy Narrative as is (for now). Rick